EQEmu losing hosting

[Doodman]

We've been informed that we are going to be losing our current hosting for EQEmu.

Very little reason was given, but we will need to find a new home in short order (i.e. 10 days).

This is a call for donations to aid us in finding a new home.

If you are interested in helping financially, visit the sourceforge page to donate funds.
If you are interested in offering other assistance, please contact myself or FatherNitWit via PM.

This project has relied on the generosity of Krusher for a long time in providing hosting services. This situation has now come to an end. Stable, reliable hosting is critical to the existence of this project and we need your help to re-establish this infrastructure.

[techguy84]

This isnt good. What kind of hosting is needed for the project to keep going. Like massive Dual Xeon servers with 100mbit connections or what. I will drop what I can in a few days (this comming saturday to be exact, So long as the woman lets me... :-) I am just wondering how much it will take to keep it up and moving month per month.

Furthermore, Its a good time to get the minilogin going few the brief downtime I suppose. /jk

Edit---

Is this site still hosted on DMG, if so, are they shutting down. I am going to be looking around for good hosting tonight so I will get back with my results. I am sure that you are looking for *nix type hosting with Mysql right. Anyhow, anything other I can do minus dontations for the time being I will be happy to do.

[techguy84]

Here is just a few I found from Google


Rackspace - $385/month 150GB Transfer/Linux, Mysql, Root Access

Aplus.net - $99/month 1000GB transfer/CeleronD 3.3GHz/1GB DDR2800/250GB HD Linux Mysql root access

ServerBeach - $75/month 900GB transfer/Celeron 1.7Ghz/1GB ram

iWEB - $69/month 1000GB transfer/Celeron 3.0Ghz/many *nix distros - Dont know about MySQL

CompletlyDedicated - $79/month 1000GB/Athlon-XP/1GB Ram/*nix distros - Dont konw about mysql

BocaCom - $119/month 800GB transfer/P4 2.8Ghz/1GB Ram/ Linux w/root access


I will keep searching too, but as far as these go, my money is on Aplus.net one. The processer sucks, but how much processer is needed to run the site, wiki and the loginserver.

Also, I dont know what kind of restrictions the loginserver puts on you guys, or if you even need that hosted on one of these servers.

[Angelox]

I'm not sure what you mean, or how much of EqEmu will be affected. Forgive me for being stupid, but the system for donating appears to be a bit complicated and directed towards individuals?
Anyways, I managed to find Doodman's donor section and saw just a few donors in the listing. So few, I felt a little ashamed; There's what, around a dozen donors after all this time?
If this is the case, I don't see where donations will solve this, as it seems you need some steady income in order to keep all this going.
I saw this post in the morning and expected to see the comments here swamping in , by the time I got back from work - more reason to believe donor help will not work.
What comes next, may not be 100% correct, and will not be very appealing to many, but it's a start and might set things rolling again.
I'm taking for granted EqEmu Forums, Login server, (what else?) are closely related.

- One simple, donation button which will be available on this forum and every other site that belongs to EqEmu.

- An option to donate with something other than Pay Pal ( I like many others are "anti-PayPal and anti- Ebay", thus have no account there). A credit-card option would be very helpful.

- Give something back to the donors for their effort. For example, If i donated 10.00. I get all the assistance I want on the forums even if its "Do I have to have Titanium?" 20 times. maybe have some special "Donor" forums.
The donor thing could come in levels, maybe if we can get people to commit 10-20 dollars a month (which would be a lot better than one lump-sum donation). they would be able to have stuff like a "preffered server".
I could almost guarantee you, if you made donor forums - income would pick up.

-Maybe open up a bank account for EqEmu where Doodman, FNW , and whoever else, has access and can view transactions. That way, money can be transfered from donors better, and a server space can be paid for.

I'm willing to pay, probably could arrange for someone else to send you money via PayPal, but I want to see Eqemu always around, not just for another month. I want to commit a hassle-free, monthly payment to you guys which as far as i'm concerned, can stop on the day I die.

[Ueguvil]

Summer's coming up so I'll be able to afford tossing a few bucks to keep my favourite project alive, I'm sure many others will too.

Like Angelox said, it's sad to not see much of a response right now, but if it gets to the point where the money isn't made in 10 days and the loginserver has to actually shut down, then we should see more of a reaction.

[mattmeck]

There use to be a whole donation system set up and the box that ran eq was paid for by donations for years and years and years.

The decision was made to allow Krusher to host everything, and he could put adds up and keep that $, so the donation system was taken down because we didn't require any.


It may be a simple fix to add a donation button, but the account, tall the splash through to different places would take more time then there worth considering we have a week now.


If we can manage to keep things going, there will be a donation system set up, better support for paying people wont be one of them, this is open source and at would defeat the purpose.

Custom Titles, allowing avatars... stuff like that is doable (as long as they don become porn like before).

[techguy84]

I am not to concerned about how the donations are made, so long as they go to the project and not peoples private pockets. Not accusing anyone here by any means, but I have seen it before in other places.

As far as having a dedicated donations spot, I think that would be great. One pool for everthin to go into. If you get 10 people putting 10 dollars in per month, thats just enough to slide by on a decent dedicated host. In addidtion to that, If we wanted to to Ad's, I am not opposed to that. I find absolutley nothing wrong with it, so long as people dont abuse them like they have in the past.

As far as giving a donor special status, there isnt a whole lot to do. I dont want someone putting in 10 dollars only to have the abilty to ask stupid questions so that idea to me wouldnt be a good one. Stupidity does not come at a price. I did not get that 10 dollars J.Smith put in, why should I have to answer his questions regarding wether or not I can send him my
eqgame.exe client.

Things like matt said, like avatars, diffent color names on boards, and possible a little notation(picture, subtitle, ect...) to let people know that that person contributs to their pleasure is a great way to do it. Sourcefourge has the little gear things to indicate dontaions, level of donations ect.. so we could have something like that.

Anyhow, I really dont have much room to speak, as I am technically only a member for around a month now(not including quite a few years ago) so maybe I shouldnt speak.

I just know this, I am going to try to help, any way possible. I love the project, although I dont play a lot of EQ anymore, but the things that people have done here I have much respect for. I dont want it to die, or become a limited little offset that doesnt have anything but a 4 year old release of the emu and absolutly no one moderating the forums.

Blah blah blah, I could go on for days. Oh look candy.........

-------Edit------

Furthermore, I just though of a cool feature if this would be possible. I know not with the current time frame, but something we could work out once we are in the clear again. The abilty for anyone to see the current donation amount that has been put in. SoD has the little light indicator, with could be just a load of ****, but something like that. Like a link that goes to the donation page for donating, and on it it would say

Current Donation Pool : $325.95

I think that would be a awesome feature so we know how much is in there at all times and we can dontated to a specifc level if need be, or heaven forbid, J.Smith decided that he was going to take $200 for gas money. We would still have enough for the server to keep moving, so who would be the wiser that he did that.

[Angelox]

Hey, If the guy pays some money, I'll answer anything I can. If you look good at all this, there are not too many of us; maybe 20-30 active in the forums and maybe 300 players (tops) on the servers.
I'm the first one that gets fed up with same old question that you can find with a search - but if it 's a donor, so be it! We got less than ten days now, before this whole thing goes belly-up and it all poofs! If we let it get to that, it's going to me much harder getting it back together again.
In any case, we have to take immediate action and send money to either Doodman or FNW. I'm trying to figure out how to Paypal him via someone else, I may have to stoop down and make an account. There's nothing else we can do in ten days.
To everone that reads this; This is all going down the drain unless we act now.

[techguy84]

You can make a donation via credit/debit card through paypal without being a account holder. At least you can pay through pay pal anyhow. I use paypal for a way to accept credit cards for my business. Most people just pay me in cash, but some have the option to pay via credit/debit without a account. There just limited to $2000.00 transactions. If you are planning to donate more than 2k, you proably have a server solution that can host it at your own house.

There was a lot more to this post, but after thinking about it, anyone that donates is a great person and should deserve some nice perks.

[Angelox]

EqEmu needs money! I know it hurts to cough up money, but sometimes you got to! Look at it this way: any crappy-assed game you buy will get you a few hours of happiness and costs around 50.00. Sony charges around 18.00 a month for membership! How long have we been into EqEmu and what have we given it?
I know we all don't have money for this, but some of us do and can donate. So you all know who you are, please donate! We don't want to loose EqEmu.
Thanks for the idea techguy84, I saw how to pay via PayPal and not join, so that's not a rant anymore.

[johnyp]

Summer is coming up and once I get out of school, and back to a job, I can contribute about 20-30$ a month.... I think You will have plenty people contribute, I just dont think the people that play on the servers ever go on this website or read the forum, but once the word gets out there will be donations and appreciation for what you guys do.

Thanks again guys!

Peace!

[whirll]

Sadly, I'm on disability..which means im on a fixed income. If i could though, I would certainly donate to this cause. Eqemu has kept me from going out of my mind numerous times, and really I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation. I hate that I rely on others that donate but as a whole, I love eqemu. I hope people pull together and keep the project running.

[So_1337]

I haven't donated in the past because the methods I've seen thus far on this forum are directed at individuals, and it seems a lot of people come and go here due to life being how it is. I know the main ones (FNW, Doodman, etc.) are recipient options, but I've been looking for an opportunity to put money towards a cause exactly like this one.

That said, how can I put money towards hosting these forums? I'd prefer it not go directly to any one individual (as I don't know anyone well enough to show any favoritism :)), but if there isn't a method in place for donating directly for the hosting then I'll settle for one person who gives their word that that's what my money will go towards.

Donation inbound, pending the response. This is such a fantastic project to be (even a small!) part of, let's keep it going :)

[mattmeck]

the whole project is run by individuals, so no ,atter what the donation will go to an individual.


Send donations directly to Doodman, he is the one thats is going to need to pay for everything, and everything will end up being in his name anyway.


Even if there was a donate to the project link that didnt name names it would still go to the same people.

[weirdguy508]

Wow, this really bites... i agree with Angelox and techguy84, we need to keep this going... i may not play very much, due to work, but i always jump on when i get a little free time on my hands and see what kinda mess i can get myself into... so once things brighten up for me i will be sure to donate, curently unable to as i have no money cuz i had to get surgery done, so i havent worked about about a week, but once the big pay check comes back ill be sure to drop $20 or $30 every now and then.

[PenPen01]

You've got mine :D

[techguy84]

Well, I am going to start a fund rasier with T.V. specials. I got a guy that can play the tuba using is left ear while simultanously picking 15 locks with his feet, with shoes on I might add.

Operaters are standing by.......

Donate now and I will even throw in this free ultra portable refigator that doubles as a back pack, fishing rod, cable tv tuner, GPS tracker, car alarm, golf caddie and toothpick.

Also, if you call in the next 12 mins 34.55 secs we will also give you a deluxe coffee pot capable of storing 19GB of your favorite MP3's.


Anyhow, my donations on the way here in about 3 days. I know I am cutting it close, but thats the best I can do at the moment. May only be 10-20 dollars at the moment. But I can keep it coming hopefully.

[sfisque]

if push comes to shove, i offer my pipe for hosting, i have 3 public addresses that i'm not using right now ( i have commercial grade cable model access that provides 5 dedicated static addresses, of which 1 is my web/email server and another is my eqemu server.

obviously a dedicated rack situation would be optimal, but worse case, this would buy time until such a situation appeared.

if anyone in the dev team is near portland, oregon, we could meet over a beer and discuss issues/details/etc.

anyway, count me among the crowd that would be most upset if this "all went poof".

== sfisque

[samandhi]

Got some OT for this check incoming... I will try and throw $100-$300 IF I can figure out the damn pay-pal thing... never used it and up until now have NOT ever been interested in it...But I SURE AS HELL dont want to see EQEmu gone. I am like Tech, in that, I dont play much any more but I like to set up a server when the emu changes just so I can come here and help support other people to get their problems solved....:)

P.S. BTW what kind of figures are we talking about here to get re-located?

[techguy84]

I love the project. I used to love EQ, but that time has long come and gone. I still play from time to time, but only for testing purposes, or to blow off some GM style steam (Come here Sleeper, you *******.) I like making a difference, as why I am writing my guide. In the past month I have gotten about 15 thank yous for the guide and I am just simply amazed with it. I like helping, when and where I can. I am all for keeping things going for us here, although I dont play. Its just the concept behind it that I want to stay alive.

I like sfisque idea. Something like this will buy us some more time. We could just host the fourms there for the moment. Update SF with the latest compiled binary for downloading. I have a awardspace site up so I could put my server guide up there for veiwing for the moment.

All we really need mainly keep things somewhat moving for the time being. If the loginserver is down why we find a new host, thats fine by me. Its better to lose things for a little bit, then all together. Buying more time is the key right now at this moment if we can't raise enough money to move everything at once.

[kouhei]

In the past did the hosting also used to have a problem. I beleive not just any hosting company will due. I think did SOE have a couple other server sites shut down thru there hosting comapny. It has to be a foreign hosting company i believe but could be wrong.

[Angelox]

This link will lead you straight to Doodmans paypal donate;
http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?user_id=1113174
select what ever amount you want to donate, and you will get to an option for credit card, or if your a PayPaler, sign in and pay.

Doodman is the one to donate to , he carrys the bills.
You can view who already donated here
http://sourceforge.net/developer/user_donations.php?user_id=1113174
Thanks a lot for you help everyone!

For the "nobody" donors: say who you are in the comment line - but I think I see two more donors already. If so, say who you are here. I'm hoping Matt will re do the forums and include donor privs.
Sourceforge is an old and trustworthy institution, I just joined very quickly and easy.

[mattmeck]

In the past did the hosting also used to have a problem. I beleive not just any hosting company will due. I think did SOE have a couple other server sites shut down thru there hosting comapny. It has to be a foreign hosting company i believe but could be wrong.


uummm no..... 100% wrong.

[uncommon]

Just donated also. Not much sorry but that's the most i can give atm.

[samandhi]

For the "nobody" donors: say who you are in the comment line - but I think I see two more donors already. If so, say who you are here. I'm hoping Matt will re do the forums and include donor privs.
Sourceforge is an old and trustworthy institution, I just joined very quickly and easy. I, myself (proper english hehe) am not looking for any props (nor have I ever wanted them), or special priveleges, I am doing it simply to keep this project alive :)

I am still curious as to the estimated figures we are talking about to keep things alive, though....

I think that if we can keep a central location alive (such as the forums) then things will work out... I guess we would always have IRC to discuss how to get things back to normal....hehe

Thanks for the link Angelox that will help (me anyhow)....

[GeorgeS]

Thanks for the donation link - makes it a bit easier.

Threw in my donation today and I hope it helps.
I have been here for years and years and follow emu devolpment like a cult.

GeorgeS

[EmanonCow]

How much, how quickly?

[So_1337]

Donated. Keep it alive!

[John Adams]

This thread gave my heart a jolt... I hope we don't lose support for this project. I have offered web and server space to Doodman, if no other options can be arranged.

Been missin you guys! So damn busy tho, I can barely find time to sleep. I need a vacation!

[Angelox]

Well, Im really glad to see the response now (was worried for a while) - I hope it's enough to help Mr Doodman make some positive moves.
Just to make sure everone knows where I'm at - I 'm not asking Matt for props and special priveleges for "the fun of it", I just think that just as anyone else in this project that has put in his time in work under Dev, to the Forums, or Database, We can all now see money-donors are just as important - they too need a tag, and privileges, just like the mods, devs admins do.
They support EmEmu just like the rest do and we cannot function with out them.

[techguy84]

I'm dropping my donation this weekend. Wont be alot at the momemnt as I was not expecting things come up so sudden. Heck, I didnt even know donations were needed until now, as no one has mentioned it lately. Prob @ 20 or so. I got a nice job coming up to build 10 pc's for a local powerplant. That should fill my pockets quite nicely and I will be able to put up a little more.

Hey Doodman, hows things looking? We're all as ansy as little school girls in here wanting to know how things are going.

[Drakkuo]

Well, I was really happy to find EQEmu and it would be a shame to lose it after finding it; so I will do what I can. As a few other people have mentioned, it would be nice to know what the $ goal is to sustain the project is, but of course that could also work against donations (oh, we're almost there, I don't need to donate...).

Since the project is under 10 days to raise the funds, I can't pitch in at this time, but I'm scheduled for 2 raises in the next 2 months, which will give my finances a healthy boost.

I was originally going to go live, before finding this project and if my donation in the future will help everyone enjoy it, them I know where my coins are going.

Hope others can help the project out until those who are not in a position at the moment, can get ready.


Mr. Mook.

[Richardo]

How about for the mean time, get a virtual server. It's cheap and should work as a temporary solution for the mean time... I have a dedicated 100mbit box in Chicago but it's windows and i'm quite sure the developers want to keep the LoginServer as private as possible!

[Angelox]

Don't worry about how much you donate, If you look at the history, very few people have even donated at all, I think we already broke the donation record with what we have done.
I really appreciate you all helping out with what you can. I know Doodman works long hours and is always pressed for time. He'll get here and post also.

[Doodman]

This link will lead you straight to Doodmans paypal donate;
http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?user_id=1113174
select what ever amount you want to donate, and you will get to an option for credit card, or if your a PayPaler, sign in and pay.

Doodman is the one to donate to , he carrys the bills.
You can view who already donated here


I am not the the only one "carrying the bills". FatherNitWit and I cover any expenses that we do incur. Most are minor since Krusher has graciously donated hosting services (and server) until now.

Below is FatherNitWit's donation link:
http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?user_id=997843

Sending to either of us will have the same result. We try hard to not outright ask for money. But in cases like this, covering this kind of expense with only our personal funds is not something we wish to do.

Thanks to all who have donated thus far.

[MrBlueberry]

i wish i could donate but i have a ton of bills =/ sorry folks but i wish you luck i love eqemu

[Angelox]

i wish i could donate but i have a ton of bills =/ sorry folks but i wish you luck i love eqemu
Don't wory about it, that's why it's called "donations" (not an obligation).

[Angelox]

Sometimes I wonder why even try? A few dry words when you feel like it is not a solution. If i had a "pet" and got tired of him, I'd give him to a friend and let him take care of it so he wouldn't become abandoned and improperly cared for.
I guess I just get too carried away , and expect more than I should.

[Rocko]

Just a thought, but when people start donating money consistently, it might be a good idea to post reciepts and whatnot about where the money is going. Not so much to please those who donated, but when people see this they will be more likely to help out. I've seen other emu servers ask for donations and then just take off with the money and shut their server down and close their forums. Not to say that that will happen here as I'm sure you're all reasonable people that are working towards a common goal, so 100$ wouldnt be enough money for you to throw it all away. Sorry if somebody else posted this idea but i was too tired to read all the replies =P

Just my 2cp,
Rocksteady

[Whuppee]

Wow. Glad I decided to check the forums today rather than waiting a few more. I'll get around ~$16 off to you guys within the next 24 hours. (heh, rather pay you guys the normal subscription fee than SOE)


Though unnecessary (hell, I'll sign in to do so once a month).. I seem to recall someone telling me that paypal offered a subscription payment feature. If so, that'd certainly aid consistent payments/donations.

I really couldn't care less about perks. If they'll help pull in donations, and if they're as harmless as special titles/etc... why not? But if they'd take much any effort whatsoever to implement.. I'd much rather see that effort invested in the emu.


Here's hoping our efforts will be sufficient to keep this running.

[EmanonCow]

If you guys can use the lowest end hosting solution (99$/month), that is only 5$ per month from 20 people.

[GeorgeS]

Of course I cannot claim to understand why the server has such high demands of the loginserver, but anyway, what bandwidth is needed?


On my home DSL I am getting 6mbit up , 0.75mbit down, and that even can host a handfull of players if I so wanted to run a server. What exactly does the loginserver require for the number of players that use it? - would a 1mbit upload connection work well enough?

I'm downloading Abyss Web Server X1 2.4 now and it supports MySQL and a host of other things for (Mac/Intel/Linux/XP/Vista) etc..

I'm going to set it up tonight on my server and will try to get a message board going - a long and overdue thing for my site.

GeorgeS

[Angelox]

The first thing that needs to be done is some form of communication needs to be established between you, the donors and them, the owners.
What you all did this week by donating to this project is becoming a rare thing on the internet - it just goes to show you really care about EqEmu (be it 1.00 or 100.00).
I think the biggest problem with donations at EqEmu is the method that's used via Sourceforge. I still do not fully understand why it all has to be like that.
I don't think I've ever "internet-donated" to anything before. If we "tilted" Doodmans paypal but were supposed to "tilt" FNW too, that's no problem, next month we'll tilt FNW's paypal.
But we (or at least me) would like to know what's going on, or even if this helps.
We are trying, and we hope you are too.
We want to feel like we're part of this too?
Right now I feel like there's a group of us that really like this whole scene , and love browsing the forums, chatting, helping each other out , and fiddling with our servers - but someone in a black cloak is standing by the wall with "the plug" in their hand, counting down the days to pull it out, putting an end to it all.

[techguy84]

I think that the paypal via SF was just a easy way to do things. Now that the project is going to be driven more so by donations then before, there may be a need for a better donation system. As long as the money goes where it is supposed to thats fine by me. Well, time to jump over to SF and put in a little bit to help out.

[Krazed]

I have been reading all of this, and I know you guys don't know me but I have a few opinions on this subject.

First off, having been around for only a few weeks I can't say I'm any sort of veteran of Eqemulator. However, I played for years on live. What I noticed looking through this last night, was that alot of people are playing blindly. (ie: they don't know this is happening because they never go to the forums) I told my guild (server) last night and a few more people now know that didn't and may just help out because of that fact.

Then another blind fact came up: How much do we need total? What's our donation goal for this time around so we don't lose hosting. I think we need to find that out asap, and make it well known so we can maybe have someone fill in the gap if we're close but failing.

My point with all this is that we need a bit more info, and we need to inform our users and players within the servers themselves. Not just on the forums because I know alot of people don't come back here but alot of people still play.

These are just suggestions. Take them as you will. I plan on donating.

Sorry if this seems harsh or blunt, I just woke up and don't intend it to sound that way.

[Zengez]

Just a thought but I don't see a release since 3/15, maybe a new release with a built in default Message of the Day about people needing to donate so that all those people that are too lazy to change it... the players on those servers will see it (ps any server admins that could may want to change their message of the day if they don't mind).... just a thought /shrug

::Edit:: Hmm I bet that's actually in the database isn't it? I dunno maybe someone can think of something, if it's not too difficult to hardcode it in for 1 release /shrug

[gernblan]

Hey, If the guy pays some money, I'll answer anything I can. If you look good at all this, there are not too many of us; maybe 20-30 active in the forums and maybe 300 players (tops) on the servers.
I'm the first one that gets fed up with same old question that you can find with a search - but if it 's a donor, so be it! We got less than ten days now, before this whole thing goes belly-up and it all poofs! If we let it get to that, it's going to me much harder getting it back together again.
In any case, we have to take immediate action and send money to either Doodman or FNW. I'm trying to figure out how to Paypal him via someone else, I may have to stoop down and make an account. There's nothing else we can do in ten days.
To everone that reads this; This is all going down the drain unless we act now.

I donated already but I think it would really help to know a NUMBER, as in how much MORE is needed to make this work? Then maybe some of us can step up and make it happen financially.

So please, can someone give a report on how much is already in the server fund and how much more is needed, and quickly?

[Angelox]

I've done what I can my friends, and that is rally us together and pump in some money. Other than that, Im just a mod here and my prime directive is to help stop spam and porn topics.
I can't speak for Dood and FNW, they gotta do that themselves or authorize someone to rep them. In fact, I'm just as freaked out as the rest of you.
The way I see it , even if it doesn't happen after the deadline, they still earned whatever we donated: We should have been "donating" a long time ago.
This project is well worth what ever we send their way.
I can tell you the two people to donate to is FNW and the Doodman - So if you sent money to Doodman, next time you should do FNW. I don't really understand why, I guess bounce from one to another with the donations for now, or maybe just split the money up two ways when you donate.

[techguy84]

WOOT GO GO POWER EMU, MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER EMU....... sorry, had to get that off my chest. Anyhow, I dropped a dime in today, kinda all I could do at the moment, with gas crested right at 3.15 a gallon at the moment, it crippled me today to fill my car up and it take a whopping $42.00. I cried as the woman swiped all seven of my credit cards in ecstasy. I think she like it.

Anyhow, If the project does go under, is there anyway to make a login server. Does it have to have the same crypto as what we are not allowed to see, or can we design are own? I suppose that may be a dumb question as it has to work with the client itself. But like a variant of the mini login that can read by user name and password, maybe with no encryption. I dunno, just a way for some of us to keep a server going, ya know?

[fathernitwit]

All,

The reason we are not posting any hard numbers, is that right now, we do not have any hard numbers. We are still working various options to decide what is the best route to take, and each of them has different expenses. This is why we put out a general call for donations: we know there are going to be expenses, but we do not know what exactly. We figured it was less impactful than setting a worst case goal for people to shoot for, possibly making sacrifices they are not 100% comfortable with, and then have people upset if we find a lower cost solution.

We have gotten enough donations to ensure that the project will have hosting for at least a few months, even if we have to go out and rent a new dedicated server. However, we are looking at the combination of several factors in order to choose a long term, sustainable solution. The major pivot points are related to long term overall costs, personal costs incurred by Doodman or I (not just money), and sustainability of community support. We will keep you informed as decisions are made.

Thanks to all who have donated.

[mattmeck]

The big issue with hard numbers is as soon as you hit that magic # people stop donating, then there has to be a call out in a week for the next month, by not posting it right now people are continuing to donate.


Hard numbers will come, nobody is going to pocket the money and run.

[techguy84]

You two are right, we really dont need hard numbers to meet. I'm just wondering how things are going myself, like a host has been found, or we have one that will do everything but loginserver, or one that can only do login server and we have to have the site on another server.... things like that. Anyhow, its good to know that we have done pretty go by donations, I'm going to keepem comin as I can afford at the moment.

[Angelox]

Your donation system is not to your best interest; you need to make a simple and straight-forward donation button that can be available anywhere on your sites.
This way, even the casual user/player can donate with little effort.
You should also bring back the forums to accommodate donors.

[jdankanyin]

After being with the project for so many years ive seen alot of devs come and go This Project is the one of the best ones out there We cant let this project die.Doodman and fathernit are the major backbones to the project they should get the most graditude but without the community to make it all work eqemu wont be there So please donate and keep the project going.

[nadineemu]

What exactly is needed for hosting, I run my own ISP i might be able to help y'all out..

[mgellan]

Hey guys:

I kicked in $20, hope it helps. Any chance we could get a status update?

Also, I run a dedicated P4 3.2Ghz 1GB RAM Linux box with SUSE 10.2 on which I'm running EqEmu (WintersHaven, only up when I'm playing around with the db and testing, or playing with friends) in a Debian text based VM - if you're desperate I'm happy to help, although obviously you don't know sh** about me :) Thought I'd offer tho.

Good luck!

Regards,
Mg

[fnemo]

If needed, I can share the project (web, svn and so on) on the shared hosting service I owned for free.

Latency with International are fine and the plateform is far enough to support this kind of project.

Regards,
fnemo.

[gernblan]

You're right, Matt. FNW posting "we're ok for now but need to figure out some stuff to be ok long term" is basically what I was after, and all that's really needed to be said at this point.

[vales]

Wewt!

You guys are back! I was a bit concerned when everything was down last night. Are you guys settled in at the new host, or is this still temporary?

[krusher]

No, the core switch blew up last night and i didnt get a replacement until this morning...

I am working with FN and DM to make sure the site dosent go offline until we have made arrangements for a new host.

Krusher

[kc7wzl]

cool I was a little conserned myself.. thank you krusher for the extra help.. I am sure others thank you as well..

I hope things shape up for every one... I my be silent most of the time but I am here and hoping th ebest for every one..


kc7wzl

[Angelox]

Don't forget about FNW! That last donation you see was me (I just forgot to log in sourceforge).
http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?user_id=997843
We need to give these guys a reason to stay around!
So lets lay some bucks on him too.

[starblight]

Hello all
I am not playing right now but I am very eager to setup my own server for my friends once the project moves on just a little bit farther. To make sure that this is a possibility I would be glad to do a monthly donation as soon as a good system is in place. I will go ahead and donate something in a few minutes for this month.

As others have stated donating to a single person dose not seem right. I do not know the best way to set it up but I am sure there is a good way that many others have done before that you could copy. Until a better system is in place I will be keeping my donations smaller and will be unlikely to setup a monthly auto pay.

Also as I do not play now I do not check the forms that often. normally once a week some times once every 2 weeks. Not sure if there is anyone that has time to do this but a weekly or monthly newsletter on the progress of the project or problems like this I would be glad to sign up too. just a thought.

Thanks for all the hard work
Starblight

[starblight]

never donated money like this before is this correct sounding

This email confirms that you have paid OSDN / VA Software (staff@sourceforge.net) $10.00 USD using PayPal.

I followed the link posted above just want to make sure it went to the right place.

Thanks
Starblight

[Angelox]

never donated money like this before is this correct sounding

This email confirms that you have paid OSDN / VA Software (staff@sourceforge.net) $10.00 USD using PayPal.

I followed the link posted above just want to make sure it went to the right place.

Thanks
Starblight

Yours went to Doodman , so that's good - thanks!
you can veiw your comment here:
http://sourceforge.net/developer/user_donations.php?user_id=1113174

[fnemo]

If needed, I can share the project (web, svn and so on) on the shared hosting service I owned for free.

Latency with International are fine and the plateform is far enough to support this kind of project.

Regards,
fnemo.

this message seems to be without any interest from your.
My hosting service is a real service. No a simple computer behind an adsl.

[Angelox]

this message seems to be without any interest from your.
My hosting service is a real service. No a simple computer behind an adsl.

This thread is not about donating hosting space, it's about donating money - read the original post.

Doodman said:
"If you are interested in offering other assistance, please contact myself or FatherNitWit via PM"

[mattmeck]

this message seems to be without any interest from your.
My hosting service is a real service. No a simple computer behind an adsl.


There was offerers from at least 5 people for Boxes, No offense to you, but its a trust issue, anyone who hosts it would have access to everything, login server, forums, peoples user names and passwords.

This is one of the reasons this type of assistance wasnt taken from people thats aren't well known.

[gottasummer]

Hello,
If I may make a suggestion -

I know this probably isn't something that will probably happen, but its just a suggestion...

Why not sell some sort of premium account for EQEmu, and make there be special features for premium users?

[Angelox]

Hello,
If I may make a suggestion -

I know this probably isn't something that will probably happen, but its just a suggestion...

Why not sell some sort of premium account for EQEmu, and make there be special features for premium users?

This is pretty common practice - even plain old web sites like Caster's Realm, Allakhazam, have premium membership offers.

[John Adams]

this message seems to be without any interest from your.
My hosting service is a real service. No a simple computer behind an adsl.
This type of "taking it personally" is precisely why the admins do not take just anyone's offer. If you get all bent out of shape because they won't jump at your generous offer, what will you do when someone pisses you off in 6 mos?

No offense, don't take it personally really. My offer was ignored, too, and Mattmeck LOVES me! :D

[mattmeck]

This is pretty common practice - even plain old web sites like Caster's Realm, Allakhazam, have premium membership offers.

will give SOE a reason to shut us down if we charge for anything here..... they can then claim were making a profit off there product.

[brinks]

Whats the status on the move? How much cash do you have? How much do you need?

[MysticDeath]

will give SOE a reason to shut us down if we charge for anything here..... they can then claim were making a profit off there product. I was thinking that while I was reading his post, haha.
I'm sorry I can't donate, I have no money left in my paypal account at the moment. I will donate as soon as I have some money.

[Angelox]

So why hasn't SOE shut down the other sites?
Anyway, I had a "points for donation" system in mind, not really a "pay to play" one.

[mattmeck]

So why hasn't SOE shut down the other sites?
Anyway, I had a "points for donation" system in mind, not really a "pay to play" one.


What other sites?

EQEmu is the only emulator that I know of thats still active, and any individual server that charged, or offered perks for donation to them got shut down

[MysticDeath]

I think he is talking about the specific server sites, that have their own patchers. I could be very wrong.

[cavedude]

Some servers have been issued C&Ds, I can think of 4 off the top of my head. They generally had at least 2 of the following against them:

Well advertised (banners over the net, merchandise)
Very large populations (Well over 200)
Patchers/custom client content
Requested donations

[fnemo]

There was offerers from at least 5 people for Boxes, No offense to you, but its a trust issue, anyone who hosts it would have access to everything, login server, forums, peoples user names and passwords.

This is one of the reasons this type of assistance wasnt taken from people thats aren't well known.

I was here for quite a long time here... I worked on the code, added stuff with yodason and participating in introducing non SoE stuff in EQemu with Khan. I helped WC with his tools as I could. I launched the ProjectEQ, donating (as lot of us) to this project, etc etc.

I'm not just an unknown guy and I also can "publish" my personal information if required.

So don't tell me I'm not well known down here ...

[brinks]

There's a few old schoolers left around, most of us don't post much; such as myself. But just because we aren't known doesn't mean we don't exist. This project is dear to my heart and I want to see it continue its development.

So if you have a few extra bones you can spare, donate.

Thats all for now.

[Angelox]

I'm sure this wasn't the point Matt was trying to get accross - he was not trying to offend anyone.
But really, Doodman said to contact him for that. BTW, good luck contacting him or anyone for that matter.
I'm already frustrated with this donation scene, I see hardly any response to a major effort put out by the people that helped out.
You old-timers: I would have loved to have been here when it all started, and everyone was full of ideas and pumping in new things all the time, I know I missed a lot. I think one problem is people are split up into their own forums.There's not a lot of us in the scene, and on top of it, we're all split up.

[techguy84]

I am not a old timer, although I did use the project seveal years ago. I dont count myself as being someone that should be trusted, wether I was here for 10 years or 10 days. All they asked for was donations, and thats what we gave (giving) them now. If they wanted someone to host the things on there computer, they would have asked for that, but the simple idea boils down to this,

You dont want one person holding all the power in a communtity. Especially someone outside of the dev department. They asked for donations to find a dedcated hosting solution that has no bias towards others. What if the person so willing to host the project on their own equipment has a fall out with one of the devs, or one of the many community members. That person holds everything up for ransom because of the situation.

I dont know about you, but thats not a good outcome. The hosting should be done by a businnes not affilated with the project to prevent things like negotiations.

There is a multitude of ways to help here other than just offering equipment. Advice, Guides, Code, Database, Bug Reporting, just to name a few. If they come up and say "EQEmulator is in need of Coders" then we need to help code. Now though, its "EqEmulator is in need of Donations" plain and simple.

Thats just my point of view though. And you can choose not to listen to it as I am, might as well be, Noob. I have no leverage in the project, but I do care alot about it, so I have a voice.

P.S. As it has been covered, the biggest downside to finding a host is the Loginserver. It's closed source by its author and the dev team. The reasons are obvious, but to find a host, you have to have a host that you can trust with that information. And who better than someone that doesnt even know of EQEmu.

[ElBigmac]

I'm probably not the only one who doesn't understand the need for any kind of special hosting. Add to this the fact that a big part of this project is closed source and you get a user base which feels this is someone else's project. I think these are the main reasons so few people do donate to this project and why many who did will probably never donate again. Don't take this the wrong way, parts of this project are open sourced, nobody can be against that and it is always a shame to see this threatened in any way.

This project however did not start out with such requirements for money, and why it acquired them along the way is but one of the many sad things which happened to it. This project has always been in some kind of danger of being shut down at some point, but it was never really by Sony, which is odd as Sony is the only one this project should have to worry about.

This is an EverQuest emulator. EverQuest is a Sony product. Sony does not like people making money off of them and will do all they can to prevent that. So all that is needed for this project to carry-on is to stay away from Sony's pockets. Believe me when I say that the people at Sony can count better than you and I can. They will not go out spending a single dime if they do not see a gain from it. How much would that be worth? Would you spend money to shut down what is known as "EqEmu"?

Funny thing is allot of people would say "Yes!". Those people, who often have their own agendas besides the good of the project, justify it with different far fetched ideas, when in fact EqEmu is just an innocent bystander in their ideas and not the core problem at all. But hey, at least those people try to justify themselves rather than just coming up to you and being upfront about them just doing it because they can or just feel like it. Then there are those who just want to fit in! I tell you, Sony is the least of this projects worries. Then there are those like me who just stood by all these years not caring enough to try to change things.

Actually, I did donate 100$ to the project a few years back, but then the guy to whom I donated was pushed out of the project and almost took it down with him. Not to mention that it didn't evolve any faster after people donated whatever was needed. Actually it didn't evolve at all for a darn long while. That made me wonder why they needed any money in the first place when you can just pay 5$ a month to host a forum.

I will say this about the community, People are now really helpful on this forum, which is a real nice change as this place was packed so full of jack-asses you couldn't get a straight answer about anything. Cheers to everyone here but me, cause I don't do a thing.

[techguy84]

Who said you don't do a thing. If you have answered a question, made a donation, or ever just logged on to say high, that all still counts, or in my book it does.

The only closed source thing on this project is the loginserver. Everything else can be ripped apart and made however you want it. Although it may not work worth a damn once you do, you still have the option to do so. How many parts are there to the project.

- World Server - Open
- Zone Server - Open
- Database - Open
- Mini Login - Open
- Public Login - Closed
- Website - Closed
- Forums - Closed

The bottom two are like that for obvious reasons, as you just cant waltz in to Google and want to change the Front Page logo to Girggle right.

I can understand haveing someone host it in the name of saving money, donations, time ect.... but there are just too many varibles to having someone do this. Way to many for me anyhow. It would be great and all, but look where we are now. Krusher donated his time to giving us hosting, and now all of a sudden, we're are losing that hosting. It was great to only come up with the money to pay the DNS fee, but what's a name without good sound hosting solution behind it. Finding a dedicated solution from a named business alllows some peace of mind as they, 99% of the time, will not be going anywhere so long as they are making $$$.

I could host it all on my computer here at home, but what if I get plowed over by a rampaging group of angry cattle while in the middle of broad daylight. Its far fetched, but something as sane as that could cause issues. Where would I be when that happens and the server goes down. Not where I need to be.

Now imagine that you work for ahhh lets say 1 & 1. You get run over by Bessie, but there are 100 other people to make sure that the server continues if the power goes out and it needs a reboot.

Kinda see where I am going.....?

[mattmeck]

ElBigmac, I assume you are refering to the Hogie situation so my responce is to that.

EQEmu relied on donation from the start all the way until Krusher offered hosting, Hogie was forced out because partly because of the donation situation (i really don't want to get into the crap that was that time period again).

So yes Eqemu had donations, yes EQEmu ran on donations, and yes its that way again.


I am a little upset because the current Developers don't come to the forums too often myself, I don't have much time lately, and i am in the dark as to whats going on as everyone else. Now I also need to say that I trust Doodman and FNW in what there doing, so even tho I'm a little frustrated I know things will work out.

[Angelox]

Mini-Login is closed too. I guess open source is open, but depends on how you look at it? I can understand where something needs money to operate. I'm the first to agree money *is* "the root of all evil" , but it's all we got, so we have to live with it, and you need money in order to run any kind of operation.
On thing I would really hate to se go are these Forums. EqEmu forums is the envy of anyone who wants to make a forum of this sort, and will always be the best EqEmulator forum ever. It has Information and a unique history attached to it, that would be almost impossible to replace.

[ElBigmac]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the money will and always has been used towards EqEmu clean and simple. What I am saying is that I just don't know if it really makes a difference in the end to go for high end stuff (I am talking about features like root access and the like) when I remember that this project only ever picked up momentum because it actually had potential, it wasnt even hosted then (I dont remember the original developpe's name that donated the original source code). Back then, there was no dedicated hosting or central login server to sustain, only the basic infrastructure to allow for source code to be exchanged and communication (web site was hosted by Tux for a while IIRC...). I know there was some cost, but my point is it looks to me that this project has become accustomed to "Luxury", so-to-speak, as I don't understand why hosting can be a problem in a era of dirt cheap hosting solutions.

Just to clarify also, the people who did give money made a very selfless gesture and they are to be commended. You guys did a good thing. But as nice of an action as that was, I does not help others see why it is needed or feel more concerned about it.

Finally, I understand why the Devs don't show up on the forums much, its not their thing and it really doesn't matter cause they don't really have to. Their thing is to code whenever they have time outside of "real life" and they do an awesome job of it looking at the change logs. However, weekend warriors are hardly a company, no matter how good they are. This is also why I don't understand why the project need better hosting than the company I work for does as they develop software all week long.

So thats it really, the fine difference between knowing whats going on and why it need to be that way. I'm talking about the why.

[EmanonCow]

The closed-source login server isn't a http website. It is a network application.

So you can't just buy a forum and website hosting provider.

[sfisque]

The closed-source login server isn't a http website. It is a network application.

So you can't just buy a forum and website hosting provider.

i think what Elbigmac is getting at is that if push came to shove, "we" (being the community) could do this without high end hosting, if we were willing to "rough it" so to speak. meaning (and i admit i'm paraphrasing/assuming here) we could find a dirt cheap hosting for website/forums, and someone or two trustworthy could host irc and/or login server. its not optimal but in the end, it gets the job done and sometimes it can be good to "go back to your roots".

i was one of the peeps who offered a pipe and some hardware in addition to donating, but TBH, i didnt get miffed when i didnt get a response. i'm a security nut (i host my own email because i dont trust others with handling it) so i appreciate the issues involved with letting someone host this project. its nothing personal, they just need to be sure because its a decision that affects the community as a whole and not just "them".

i will say i do agree with some people's mention that "a little more info" would be conducive. a decent group of us donated, we'd like to know what's going on, even if its just "we're talking to some providers, and our plan involves possibilities Y,Z, and W." if for nothing more, at least it lets us know the money is well spent, because in the end, just as most of us are strangers to the core group, they are strangers to us, and a donation is a leap of trust to an extent. /shrug.

== sfisque

[Angelox]

I think a more exciting aspect of the project is that fact that you can actually play this game at home alone, or with friends (MiniLogin).
It is already to a point where you really don't need anything , not any login or what ever. You just need to get your MiniLogin running and presto! you're playing a decent game of EQ at home, independent of Logins, monthly rent payments, or anything else.
I finally truely own my copy of Everquest (which I paid dearly for over the years) and can play it as I please :).

[gernblan]

I think the front page needs to be updated... or at least the first story... perhaps it might be scaring new people away who do not know that this problem has been resolved for now?

Maybe change it to: OUR EXPENSES JUST WENT WAY UP... DONATE PLEASE or something.

[mattmeck]

new users stronger now then in the past 2 months, barly had 4 PM's a week, up to 30-40 a day for the past week or so.

[gernblan]

new users stronger now then in the past 2 months, barly had 4 PM's a week, up to 30-40 a day for the past week or so.

Awesome! Glad to hear that!

[Angelox]

Well, I see the IP changed today and EQEmu has a new service
http://www.infolink.com/
Seems faster than before -
Thanks for keeping us informed!!!

[Willaena]

To followup on Gernblan,

I think it is time to put the donate icon back on the front page.

Willa

[Angelox]

Don't forget to donate! I plan to do so hopefully every month, since bills arrive every month to the Devs.
I noticed FNW has recieved very few donations. Him and Doodman I believe are the main bill carriers;
http://sourceforge.net/users/fathernitwit/

[barbauegood]

Don't forget to donate! I plan to do so hopefully every month, since bills arrive every month to the Devs.
I noticed FNW has recieved very few donations. Him and Doodman I believe are the main bill carriers;
http://sourceforge.net/users/fathernitwit/


About how much is it to run all of this, Just to give ever one an Ida on what they do for us all, I be leave they are Grate people. Just got back from the Iraq and really happy to see this Still up. You all are a really good bunch of people, Thank for all of your effort , time and Money.!!!!!

[sdabbs65]

. Just got back from the Iraq !

Welcome back to the Nut House.

[sfisque]

Welcome back to the Nut House.

HEY! we resemble that remark!

:P

== sfisque

[Skizoke]

- One simple, donation button which will be available on this forum and every other site that belongs to EqEmu.

- Give something back to the donors for their effort. For example, If i donated 10.00. I get all the assistance I want on the forums even if its "Do I have to have Titanium?" 20 times. maybe have some special "Donor" forums.
The donor thing could come in levels, maybe if we can get people to commit 10-20 dollars a month (which would be a lot better than one lump-sum donation). they would be able to have stuff like a "preffered server".
I could almost guarantee you, if you made donor forums - income would pick up.



Did donor forums ever happen? I'd gladly donate to help out but I would definately do it if it meant some of my stupid questions might get answered sooner :)

[Davood]

who should I be donating to?

[Gothikagurl]

I currently have a Virtual Server (its Dedicated, Only shared by one other because of the plan I have) It has 1 Gig of ram, 3.4GhZ Duel core Processor. 1k Bandwidth a month. (I would happily increase the plan to double all this if I can get little donations ect ect. For now I'd be happy to pay the current)

I also run a Webserver; 15TB Bandwidth 5TB Space. I can Host Files; Sites, You name it I Can host it.

Im Willing to Help. EQEmu Is an amazing Community. I DO NOT want it to fail.


Hugs n Kissez;

Kitty/Gothika

Email me at Rhimi@cofusion.org

P.s: <3 EQEmu. Hold strong. : )

[cavedude]

This was resolved some time ago, thanks though :)

[Gothikagurl]

No problem.

If you guys need a spot to store downloads; Hollar. 4.9TB of space I wont be using. Haha.


Goodluck.

I hope EQEmu Stays around for a long time,

Best Wishes

Kitty/Gothika

[KingMort]

Should probably delete this post , if eqemu needed funding they will come to me.... And i will provide said funding.. END OF STORY FOLKS....


I am not only cocky but i have the willingness to do so... Doodman FTW , You must contact me if you are having issues please...

King

[Angelox]

Should probably delete this post , if eqemu needed funding they will come to me.... And i will provide said funding.. END OF STORY FOLKS....

I am not only cocky but i have the willingness to do so... Doodman FTW , You must contact me if you are having issues please...

King

We are so LUCKY to have such a WONDERFUL person like you!
Who ever chose you for a listing under 'Preferred Servers' is a very wise person! Everyone in these forums needs to follow your example an learn from you (maybe THATS the way to get a preferred listing!).

So , please stay as cocky and as snotty as you possibly can (I have a vast supply of antacid tablets that will weather me through your obnoxious posts).

[TheLieka]

Wow - fucking amazing post Mort.

Dax

[Richardo]

Feel the heat...

[KingMort]

NP guys I aim to please :)

[Secrets]

We are so LUCKY to have such a WONDERFUL person like you!
Who ever chose you for a listing under 'Preferred Servers' is a very wise person! Everyone in these forums needs to follow your example an learn from you (maybe THATS the way to get a preferred listing!).

So , please stay as cocky and as snotty as you possibly can (I have a vast supply of antacid tablets that will weather me through your obnoxious posts).

Try helping the guy out:

Prologue: Secrets joins Paradigma, learns Perl and SQL.

Day 1: Secrets joins KMRA development team. Mortenson gets drunk to celebrate and crunches weapon numbers up from 10 dly 254 dmg to 10 dly 255 dmg 35 elemental.

Month 1: Secrets has been aquainted with Mortenson, and his getting drunk when i'm trying to implement a fix.

Month 6: Secrets tries to convince Mortenson that he's batnuts crazy, forms Edge with former dev Ailia.

Month 6.5: Edge is finished in a week, players enjoy.

Month 7: Secrets gets bored with making content, quits EQEMu for a month.

Month 8: Secrets comes back to KMRA, apologizes to mort for calling him batnuts crazy, and continues working.

Year 1: Secrets begins to experiment with C++.

Year 1, Month 3: Secrets gets SVN set up. Mortenson instantly begs fellow dev ndnet for instructions how to use it.

Year 1, Month 4: Secrets has become knowledgeable about C++ and how Mortenson should stop drinking.

Year 1, Month 5: Secrets tries to update SVN to current newfound community source. Hilarity ensues when game mechanics were broken.

Year 1, Month 6: Secrets asks fellow dev ndnet to fix the game mechanics problems. Mortenson gets drunk, and just presses his reboot button every once and a while. Things are chill now, as ndnet's fixes work.

Year 1, Month 7: Secrets attempts to teach Mortenson how to use #advnpcspawn command. Hilarity and frustration ensues as he can't figure it out. (also beer somewhere in here) Local residents

Year 1, Month 8 (Current day): Secrets makes this post. 1 year, 8 months, of having to deal with Mortenson getting drunk and making posts involving EQEMu, the server, or both.

Needless to say, i've been with him for far too long, and he's always been a drunken guy who loves gigantic numbers on his weapons.

Now, imagine the post he made today, and multiply it by 1 year, and 8 months. THAT is what I deal with! :(

PS: I still like Mort, he just REALLY needs to stop being mean on these forums.

[KingMort]

<------------------ Points at Neck

[KingMort]

YEAR 1-X - Secrets commits changes that never work both in quests and in C++ then neglects to take out the broken code causing massive server lag and link dead connections as well as exploits left and right causing the KMRA community pain and suffering X100... Go to hell your fired..

King :)

[Secrets]

YEAR 1-X - Secrets commits changes that never work both in quests and in C++ then neglects to take out the broken code causing massive server lag and link dead connections as well as exploits left and right causing the KMRA community pain and suffering X100... Go to hell your fired..

King :)


boring post is boring.

[Richardo]

*Richardo scrounges up an old log*


[KingMort 08:24:12] thanks to me people have a good server to play


Your coders have a lot to do with it! If it weren't for them, your server couldn't handle such number crunching! :p


Sandoso slashes a_epic_rat for 24722 points of damage!
Sandoso has slain a_epic_rat!
Sandoso has looted an even less delay higher damage weapon than the previous one.

[John Adams]

There is nothing like a twinkling Christmas Tree, warm fire, cup of cocoa and KingMort to ring home the holiday spirit of giving.

<3 'mort!

[KingMort]

Oh The weather outside is frightful
But the fire is so delightful
And since we've no place to go
King Mort Knows! King Mort Knows!

<chorus>

He Doesn't show signs of stopping
And i've bought some corn for popping
The lights are turned way down low
Let it Show , Let it Show, King Mort Knows!

When I finally kiss you good night
ANd your raids mind is to delight
but if you will progress with insight
All the way home i'll be warm

The Fire is slowly dying
And, my dear, we're still raiding
But as long as you love me so
King Mort knows, Raid addicts rules, let it show

[Richardo]

I concur fine sir!

[trevius]

Abuse of power!

I assume that is all in jest?

[Nillibik]

OK, say the worst happens and the EMU gets shut down for awhile. Is there a way to keep the personal Servers up and running or do they have to run through the EMU for people to still log on to our systems?

[cavedude]

This thread is a year and half old, the server is no longer in danger. ;)