Dragons of Mist [HC]

[provocating]

I launched Dragons of Mist nearly two years ago. Since then it has changed a slightly from my original vision but is still a great server in it's own right. A month ago I was able to procure additional i.p. addresses so that I could host multiple servers. I have now launched an additional server that is the genuine vision I once had and will remain true to that vision.

Dragons of Mist [HC] is exactly like it sounds, it is hard core much like Everquest was back in the beginning. Bots on a server can be great for fun but can also be quite a distraction for me. You end up in a click fest of "point and kill", sure you get to see content that you may had never gotten to see in live. Playing on my own server for the past year I have noticed that I never really got to know my character, I never had to cast that much as a Magician, the bots did most of the work for me. For the last month playing on [HC] I have noticed the original feeling of playing EQ as I remember it, the experience is completely different not having the bots there. Hard core in my vision does not mean permanent death, but definitely plenty of death along the way. So basically we have this...

• No bots
• No donation system (like DoM original)
• PEQ content up to GoD
• Extremely high uptime
• Extremely robust server
• No hand outs....none...nada
• No buff bots
• No spell scribers
• Original starting locations, no Tuturial B
• Slightly lower than normal XP rate
• Single connection to the server, no dual boxing

This server is definitely not for most people but I do invite you to try it. What we have been doing so far to survive is to use our veteran AA's to do resurrections or just eat the XP. For those looking for the BOT type server, DoM will always be around, it takes very little time to keep the server upgrades going so I will keep it running indefinitely. Both servers are legit and I will always keep it that way.

[knowom]

I agree with and like your stance on most all of these things. I don't know what your server is like, but I don't care for buff bots, bots, boxing, mercs, ect personally I feel it degrades the social experience of EQ. I know people like them because it makes things easier in ways, but it also spoils the challenge as well on top of spoiling the social interaction aspect.

I can't say I'm a fan of large scale hardcore raiding requirements which I'm not sure how this server is in regard to that, but I don't think bots, boxing, or mercs are really proper solutions to that issue and create as many or more issues than they address. That said good luck with this project it seems like a very sound one that a lot of players seeking a challenge and that social interaction aspect could enjoy a lot.

[trentn]

Everything was great until - Single connection to the server, no dual boxing

Seems like a clone of P99- just not 'as' classic.

Good luck with this-

D -

[sunbeam]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see how this is workable.

Look you are not going to get the population of something like P1999.

So tell me about the play experience of a warrior or rogue on this server. You can insert a lot of other classes in those spots.

You can do the old necro soloing some gear for the class you really want to play. Or maybe an enchanter or bard to do some of their particular types of soloing. A druid or Wizard quadding. A mage doing their solo that works quit well in some locations, but no where near what a necro could do.

But the xp gain is pretty low. You are going to be grinding. Then maybe grinding on another class depending on what you do.

What about epics? I kind of think that some of them aren't going to be doable solo. Maybe if you play long enough to get to GoD content or something, maybe a shaman or necro could solo theirs (don't really know those quests). What about everyone else? Some epics require you to go to sky. That is probably a non-starter for most classes.

This is a catch-22. If you want to have anything like live, you have to have the population. If you don't have that, then a bunch of the classes I mentioned above is pretty much what you are going to have.

So most servers adjust things somehow, either with boxing, bot armies, gear drops, or tweaking the mechanics.

But a classic style server with none of that? If they don't come, it won't be viable, not really. If they do come, maybe it will be then, but you would have to have people willing to work with others and dedicate time to doing content as a group.

At best you might get 50 or so people on at a given time, if your server is a runaway success. And to progress very far, those guys would basically have to function like a raid guild.

Just don't think it is going to happen.

[Khokon]

Hello,

sounds good. If you allowed dual-boxing then I imagine you would get it to 50+ players. I think many people are really looking for a server like that.

Best regards,
Khokon

[provocating]

Yes, the boxing may be an issue. The boxing is not something I am completely firm on, the bots and the donation system I am completely against.

I also do not want to make any rash decisions so I will sleep on it and see what I come up with. If I do allow boxing then it would not be by donation system though, I am just totally against donations.

[Cfuson]

I saw the "HC" tagged on the forum topic and so thought this was going to be a "if you die your character is gone for good server"......... bummer

Honestly every new server now and days needs a catch 22 or it just wont get any population or loyal fan base.

[sorvani]

Think about a 2 or 3 connection by IP limit.
I boxed on live from 3 months after I started playing in 2001. No MQ, just two computers. To me, that is my classic experience.

But, most of all this is your server, make it how YOU want it. Just offering my thoughts.

[wolfwalkereci]

Originally Posted by sorvani

Think about a 2 or 3 connection by IP limit.
I boxed on live from 3 months after I started playing in 2001. No MQ, just two computers. To me, that is my classic experience.

But, most of all this is your server, make it how YOU want it. Just offering my thoughts.

Agree with this.

[provocating]

I am definitely putting some consideration into this. Now as a player myself I doubt I would two box very often, I am a soloer at heart. Now I may would level players on two accounts separately and use them for an emergency situation, or power leveling. The thing for me is not to make a rash decision, once you make a change like that it is permanent. I do not like making a decision like this and changing it on the players. If I do it I would probably limit it to 2~3 connections. I would not like seeing groups of players totally controlled by something like MQ, if that is even possible (I do not know much about MQ). I would like to see a higher server population of course, I am in this for the long haul.

I really appreciate the responses, and I agree that it is a decision I have to make.

[trentn]

Basically - a good population of people are looking for a p99 server that you can 2-3 box on. I hate mercs and bots - I'd rather box 2-3 chars.

Reason? I have 2 kids and a family. A lot of groups don't like when you have to afk to whipe a kid's butt or get dinner ready. It allows me to do some stuff on my own.

Yes - there is a population that likes custom-custom stuff - but from my experience (and the fact that P99 is the most populated server) - people want a classic server - but one you have the ability to box on.

Just my 2 cp.

D-

[provocating]

Originally Posted by trentn

Basically - a good population of people are looking for a p99 server that you can 2-3 box on. I hate mercs and bots - I'd rather box 2-3 chars.

Reason? I have 2 kids and a family. A lot of groups don't like when you have to afk to whipe a kid's butt or get dinner ready. It allows me to do some stuff on my own.

Yes - there is a population that likes custom-custom stuff - but from my experience (and the fact that P99 is the most populated server) - people want a classic server - but one you have the ability to box on.

Just my 2 cp.

D-

Wow, I am really glad you guys are giving such great feedback. I had no idea that with as many servers are out there, there was need for a server like that.

[sorvani]

It is not classic folks. It is default PEQ database and quest files.
That means currently through GoD minus the last three raid zones.

[rhyotte]

Provocating,

To truly be hard core... I.M.O., you need to consider a few things. EQ 1 grew in a way that left old zones behind. Just about zero reason to utilize most old zones. Then they tossed in horridly bad "newbie quest stuff"...bleh! Remember when they had the Darkened Guk etc? Then when it was over, they reverted it back to its old worthlessness... just a general example is all.

-- You might consider going back and taking a HARD look at what made original Hard Core really Work! A literal re-balance to homogenize things from "start to finish" would go tremendously far. You would not have to really all up Change a lot of stuff, so much as re-do what already is there to make it all jive together.

Remember your first time in Veeshan's Peak? How about Halls of Testing? Go back and really take a hard look from original Antonica, all the way up to the GoD content. Then really think hard about how to make it all seamless.

-+- The goal would be:
-- "Ok, day one...starting newbie in Qeynos...here we go!"
-- "Whew, level 50 Baby! YEAH!"
-- "Whew... Max level, all AA's, best gear in game...YEEE-HAAWW!!! Hmm...time to start another toon and do that again!"

Note there was not any "Ok, time to go purchase Max Expansion twink gear, because this original crap blows!". To be hardcore...that last expansion needs to FEEL like a natural progression forward, not the Herky Jerky ZOOM ZOOM that it turned out to be in original EQ. Hey, I played years and years... For instance, Dragons Vs. Giants in Vellious was all the rage right? Suddenly it literally dead ended from one expansion to the next?!?! All that time factioning and gearing up, and Poof, NEXT!! With no proper "End Game Finish for this chapter of EQ1, Ok folks next up is...!!"

From antonica to vellious alone, there is so much that could be Re-Massaged and then expanded upon to _Finish_The_Story_ ... Another for instance...Cats, and Drakkin were never in first 3 expansions ...obviously... this server could "expand organically" to include the Drakkin easily enough ...especially once you consider Dragons Vs. Giants.

Next... Deity. For the most part that just got 100% dropped! Some spells need to be pretty much Just Reverted to original. To add to that thought, you could have a "grey pool" that is the generic starting spells for the respective classes, then Faction choices and Deity work would generate very real differences in what players get for their personal _in_game_made_choices_for_spells_. This would make faction and deity really *Feel Real*. There would obviously be a path of "neutrality" in here, not just good and evil, because there are 3 types of deity...

What I am saying is, you could make your Hard Core server feel more real then the "real-but-current" servers by going back and re-doing the stuff that was pretty much already there.

Btw, is that Relic from Shards of Dalaya?,

Gary

Edit: Another For Instance... the Wakizashi you could quest from Mistoor, and the old Crafted Armors... pretty cool OLD quests...for OLD worthless crap gear nobody in their right minds would ever do THESE DAYS.... re-imagine and re-do things so where that these old quests are anything but old... make them real again. Some of these old quests were Really Good! My old DE Warrior (who could enter halas and train...remember shared wolf form before the nerf?) kept his Crafted and that Wakizashi, and later added a Swiftblade of Zek... heh.. was a cool look for a long time

[Duvinya]

Hello Provocating,

I like the idea to play the original game the old school way very much.

Allowing dual boxing would be great, as in some postings before mentioned, without any additional programs just by running 2 accounts on 2 computers. It's not only because a low server population, there are also people not on US prime time playing.

Best regards,
Duvinya