Ok it's spell Irak in "continental" Europe 8)

he said he's from spain and currently resides there so it's a misspell and not a diff way of spelling.

I'm not reading any further because you got me all riled up, so now I'm going to give you a history lesson. Like it or not, this is going to be long.

Okay, so we dropped two bombs on two foreign cities, killing approximately 400 thousand people (OOPS).. which is a lot, dont get me wrong, but did you ever think of what would have happened if we DIDNT have the bomb?

(OOPS EDIT 1 -- 400,000 people died from the blast, and I forgot to tally in the radation sickness, mutations, and burn victims. I will raise my numbers to approximately 1.5 million people since im considering second and third generation mutations.)

The original plan was to invade japan like we did to europe.. load everyone up on ships and storm each and every freggin island of Japan. The estimated death toll of JUST american soldiers was approximately 2 million.. and the 400 thousand Japanese (OR MORE. :shock:) would probably have also died. Why, do you ask?

The japanese then were raised on the bushido (sp) code, which stated that you are worthless to god and your country if you surrender, or are taken prisoner. The Japanese used to grenade themselves and their families (:o) and children so they were not taken prisoner (but that is a different story all in its own).

It was determined by the military masterminds of the US that dropping the bombs would cause the least amount of casualities, and in my opinion, it probably would have caused less.


The only way you can come up with that figure is if you tally in the Kurds that were gassed, and all of the civilians that were killed by saddam for not fighting, or for other random reasons.

You could also come up with that figure if you remember that the MEDIA LIES. I do not believe that the United Nations (IT WAS THE UNITED NATIONS WHO WENT INTO IRAQ THE FIRST TIME, NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES. Did you know that Spain was there, killing along with the United States? and by the way, you are spanish, whether you like it or not. there were over 50 countries that comprised the coalition of the first Persian Gulf War).

Now im going to read the REST of the posts, and see if I need to post again.


Okay, read the rest of the posts (and finished this one, :roll: ) and appended the new text on the bottom. thanks for reading all of this.


You neglect to mention other countries that kill people (sometimes randomly), too. Japan and Germany, sure, but what about Iraq, Iran, and Turkey? I hope you get taught about south-west Asia before you finish school.


Once again, show me where you got that figure from.


You are against the capitalist United States, yet you live in the streets? You said you were true punk, and later stated (or someone else did) that true punks live on the streets.

And like that other person (:p) said, youre using a capitalist computer on the capitalist internet, with a capitalist browser typing on your capitalist keyboard. If you hate it so much, go back to (capitalist) punchcards, and hope you can input information that way.


This isnt directed towards me but I'd choose Germany.


What is our violence for? Do you think we enjoy sending our youngsters out to get killed? Iraqis arent the only people who are perishing in this world.



We dont want Bush. The only way he gets in is if Florida is rigged (again). I personally will not be voting for him, and I am very sure that my parents and friends wont, either.


I agree with you, and would like to kindly direct you towards a history book.

We dont hate you and its wrong that we dont, but its right and fine that you hate us.

Yes devs, thanks for the awesome work. :wink:


Marshall Mehean the Mauler,
65 Warrior, BB server.[/b]

...Unfortunately.

Wow it's people like you who are the source of this whole situation/problem.

I saw this Come on now, please look past it. This post actually has substance, and the grammar isn't detracting from it. After reading several points of the debate, i think the guys could leave out all vowels and still prove a point. Just what i think . . .

Sorry I don't get it , you spell Iraq Irak in french , spanish , german it's a spelling mistake in english and ? Is that so important that you need to make a whole post about it and how idiot people are because they spell the same word a different way in their mother tongue ?

Maybe I worded that in the wrong way, Arkaria, because I don't see how i'm one of the people that is the cause of the 'whole situation/problem'. What I meant, if this wasn't understandable, was that the death of anyone, including the people of Iraq, is unfortunate.

I in no way endorse killings or wars, however much people think it is necessary. I'm sorry if that was a misunderstanding.

I'm puzzled how this turned into a societic confliction from a CD.

Dani: Do us a favor and grab a life buddy! I don't believe many care about your thoughts on America except your homies,if thats what you PUNKS call them. It's people like you that straddle my last nerve, please, just shut it and take it elsewhere. I find it sad that you have nothing else to do but shit your political babble on a way off topic-topic.

P.S.: http://home.1asphost.com/ascendra/eta_pic.jpg

'Punk ain't no religious cult. Punk means thinking for yourself.'

or how about...

'What is punk?'

Oh how the somewhat old classics speak volumes eh? Our lil spanish friend sounds more like a wanna be anarchist/fascist than a punk imho.

Anarchy and fascism are two seperate things.

Happens quote often. Its known abroad as "Thread Hijacking"


By the way, I have heard some of the songs off the new CD, and theyre alright, but I dont think I'm gonna go run and buy it :)

only thing punk has been since the mid 80s is dead, but its nice to know that there are still people running around with dead kennedy t-shirts and safety pins in thier ears thinking people really care what they call themselves.

"Punk" is not Green Day or Dead kennedys (though I like both bands) and it doesnt have to do with how you live. The only true punk is the mid/late 70's rock movement against disco and arena rock. Punk is anti-establishment, anti-corporate. Anyone heard of the Sex Pistols? That's real punk.

You are joking me right? The Pistols were total sellouts and Malcolm McLaren (sp?) was just some leech that wanted the big bucks for 'assisting' to get them where they got to. Good old Malcolm still has that mindset and pulls the same crap on every band he's ever managed.

Punk originated in the US btw, and was well rooted in the NYC 'scene' long before the Sex Pistols were even a dream.

Ya the Sex Pistols did sell out. That doesn't mean that they weren't punk whent hey started. They made Punk mainstream in Britain (and the US). I never claimed to like McLaren. He was just their "manager". Plus you can't even compare the Sex Pistols to EVERY SINGLE modern band as sell-outs. Besides The Clash is a much better band anyway.



.................BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH

Yes, yes I forgot everything happens in New York first doesn't it? Cuz it is the center of the world isn't it?

Do a little research and you'll find more than a few 'punk' bands around LONG before the UK was even aware of it (CBGB anyone?). In fact it was The Ramones that turned a whole generation of UK kids into what turned into punk and since they're a NYC band... Considering I've been a 'punk' since the mid 70's (75 to be exact), I might be a little more aware of when the 'oldschool' punk was big and who originated the base ideologies *shrug*

As for the originating topic? Blink are a bunch of wannabes who know as much about 'punk' as all the little Avril Lavigne wannabes. Unfortunately people seem to think punk is all about the uniform you wear and not the ideologies you stand up for. Most new age punks are nothing more than a mindless bunch of moronic sheep.

CD, Hate America, idiotic President, incorrect spelling, CD, Hate America, Attack on Iraq, Sanctions, UN, Stereotypes, Capitalist power hungry pigs, Punks, Attack on Iraq, UN, Hate America, Lying media, Sanctions, UN, CD, Punks, Violence, Speaking, Sept 11, Concentration camps, Hair carpet, Crematory oven, Nuclear Bomb, Japan, First Iraq War, Vietnam, History, System, Pearl Harbour, Nuclear Bombs, Innocent people, Attacking first, Hospitalisation, Third Degree Burns, Japanese, Leaders, USA, Japan, Punks, Atom Bombs, Pearl Harbour, Stab in back, German Mercenaries, Revolutionary War, Terrorists, American Schools, Aircraft Carriers, Sneak Attack, Punks, incorrect spelling?, Spain, Atom bombs, Lots of innocent people dead, radiation sickness, mutations, burns, First Iraq War, UN, Bush, 0.5.1, 0.5.2, Unforunate, People that start things, Spelling, Who cares, Conflictions, Beliefs, Car bombings, Punks.

Just listing a few topics of each post off the top of my head. This thread hasn't gone too far off topic. :)

Amen

I listen to industrial. Bands like - Funker Vogt, Hellsau, Suicide Commando, F.A.V, :wumpscut:, Haujobb, Feindflug...and so on.

We're confused for punks sometimes cuz we have mohawks, wear swat pants, some people wear a lot of obscure sounding band shirts, patches... that kinda stuff.

Instead of being mixed in with punks socially tho, even tho the attitude is very much the same - think for yourself, control yer own destiny, your government hates you and so on, we end up being squished in with the weepy mopey goth community, because someone suggested there is some semblance in the 2 styles of music.

Not even close. Download some Joy Division and then find some Hellsau, you tell me if its close. Ugh.

but anyway. you wanna see some scary peeps, look up hard core rivethead pictures online. We're not dirty and in rags like yer stereotypical punk squatter living in some half build house in downtown Detroit, but we inspire fear in joe average walking down queen street in toronto i can tell you :)

in reply to the original post way back -

I hate Blink, i think its trendy studio producer mass processed tripe - but listen to whatever you want to, its your right to choose.
If you like it. The problem starts when you like something cuz someone else tells you that you should. But lets not get preachy here or we're gonna get into Boobs Spears and Cleavage Agularia or whatever their names are, and thats a can of worms no one needs to open.

- Nix

Ya i agree with Ramones as being probably the first real Punks, but....they didn't really have the attire....which is a minor detail IMO. You're right it is about the beliefs. And no, the modern-day "punk" bands don't really have 'em or else they've lost their way after becoming famous. People- Green Day, Blink, etc etc these are not punk bands these are >>Alternative<< call it "Nu" punk if u want but whatever.

Hey Lasiel I wear T-shirts and cargo pants, go to a private school in the Bible Belt, but I'm an anarchist and an atheist and a pacifist and anti-corporate and anti-conservative. So even though I don't have the clothes, does that make me punk?

And I still think British people make better punks tho. That accent gives it a little something.

Punk is a mindest, so yeah you probably are ;) I know a lot of people who don't even listen to punk or remotely look like punks but have extremely punk ideologies. Hell I'm 39 and haven't looked like a punk for probably a decade, but still hold the same ideologies I used to.

All music is an excuse for Devs and DBers to cease working on their life's work.

Their 'life's work' being...what?


Edit: Realised a few days later that I spelt 'their' wrong. lol :D

I hadnt read all the messages above. I had more important things to do. I don't mind what they said.

In fact, I had seen a message of "I dont know who" that had a image with Spain LOL (or something like this) and that critizises me.

I dont care if you think I am an idiot, its your own opinion, and you had the right of think what you want.

But SPAIN is not cool. Its a big shit, like USA, but a little more poor and without Twisters or hearthquakes. I dont like it. But i was born here and live here too.

Is this a reason for me to be a patriot? No. I am fighting )in the streets, and in associations, to change this shit, this government, this capitalism that you had imposed to the world. But people dont mind on it. Live their lifes. Until they are dead, and they go to the.... heaven? or hell? or what? Whe they die, the began to rotten themselves. Like the corpses on the 11S, that must be on their bones , or the recently Spanish & US soldiers deads in Irak.

Fuck you!! And use your time well, tomorrow you would be dead and had your last breath.

How happy I will be if you die tomorrow! :P

p.d.: Soprry for my english. I didnt grew up knowing it. I had to learn it after, and Im not a perfectly speaker.

WHO SAID I WAS A PUNK??
Im not a punk. I'm anti (against) fascism, anarchist, and FREE (in the way its possible), but my brother and friends are punks, and I know of what im talking. And to be a punk is not only to wear a crest or leather boots, or to listen.... Cockney Rejects or... Suburban Rebels. Is more like this, its a way of life. And who someone can be a punk when he works on MR$OFT company and wins a lot of money? This person dont have the ideals of the punk people, and couldnt be a punk unless he/she says that he/she is.

Do you understand it?

Different cultures/But only one end => FREEDOM for all.
This is a composition that everybody says or thinks, but do you practice it? Or your acts are against? Think around it, and dont reply. Keep your answer for you. :wink:

Would this world be a better place if it had one person in it?

If only two people lived in this world, there would still be arguments. If three people lived in this world, there would still be arguments. If more than 7 billion people lived in this world, there would still be arguments. As long as we are human...there will always be arguments, provided that there are more than one of us alive.

I don't like the idea of being 'ruled' or having 'decisions made' by one person or even a group of people either....not many people do, unless they make the decisions THEY like. But we are too narrow minded to think of a way around it. We can think of lots of ways people can be controlled though, such as violence, humiliation, majority, pressure, destruction, poverty and starvation (and even more).

Freedom still only exists within our mind. That is why we were given our mind. Fighting gets us no where and the fact that somehow some idiot came up with the saying (and most people liked it and agreed), "There can be no peace without war", shows exactly WHY WE HAVE NO PEACE. We find it too difficult to think of any other way and even when we do, we hardly EVER pursue it.

you have not reason with it.
Freedom could be possible, but a part of us didnt want.
I can "forget" all the past and began a new world. Its possible.But there are a lot of people with hate keep inside himself and cant forget. This is the very problem.
A new world is possible, with no war and collaboration togheter, but there are many minds closed, and Today, this world is impossible.
I think that 1 day this world came us...

You talk about a new world without war, and at the same time you advocate violence against innocents and anarchy...

You dont have a clue what you're talking about..

I'm finally locking this thread, which i should have long ago. If you continue your bullshit, I'll ban/lock your email addresses (which btw is a free mail host, explicitly against our rules) , and make sure you dont get back into EQEMU. This is your final warning regarding this...

I am not against free rights or free speech, but I had friends that were crying that they had family that would never be coming home for Christmas again after 9/11 while you and your friends 'celebrated' the great victory against 5000 innocent international mothers, fathers, and children... Im past the point in being annoyed by your ignornance and calous remarks....



Good... You would have trouble sleeping at night then if you understood my opinion of your intellect at this point.