its not a hard job... if you can read, if you can type, if you can click a mouse
you've got access..

Re: asd
 

tell me if im wrong...

It really should have been 2 Forum Admins maybe 3 for off vote for ties. The rest get access to a special forum of their own special talents to work there and leave the general public a way to post their issues in a forum regulated by the Forum Admins not the special talent forums users. ie 3rd party, world building, etc
Would have eliminated a large number of access right issues and those 2 or 3 admins would be the main peeps while special talent groups could chose a moderator for their respective forum. Just an idea for the next saga.
Hope someone realizes out of all of you that it really sucks to see people I know were awesome back in the day all working together now siding one way or the other. The side you all ought to be on is clear EQEmu. Well I get to head to the hospital tomorrow for surgery I hope my account is still here after saying I was upset by this thread. So my comments are done I can't spare anymore aggrivated frustration atm. I really hope you all can come together and work this out.
Darkwaters

your not comming back because of 'the way the team is now' ... try being alittle more specific.. tell them what you want to happen before you return..

Re: Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.
 

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Quit dodging Darkones posts and accept the truth.

As far as I knew at the time your access was pulled, you had been doing a DOS attack and cooperated with image on pulling CVS.

If these two are false, I would have nothing at all against reinstating you.

Melwin is not a developer. He's a community manager. He has no access to coders or CVS.

You = dumb.

Ignoring all dark_ones little stupid jabs about my apparent lack of work for the project (nvm that I JUST put a big thing into CVS), let me explain the entire situation and how it went down.

Essentially, it started with drama over Melwin having admin access to moderate forums. Note. Admin access to forums. This does not mean he was a developer or had dev powers or CVS access or anything. Okay?

Now, image didn't want him to be admin, and since devs had agreed to vote on issues, image made a vote for wheter Melwin should be admin. Vote turned out 6-5 in favor of Melwin (7-5 but Melwin voted, that was voided, lol).

Right after losing the vote, image made a vote that forum admins needed 75% approval. Which was shot down. After losing that too, image went on an outburst in IRC and kept talking about how he never agreed to voting and it was his project and so on. Basically he was playing King Image of EQemu. LE refused to give in, and they argued, so image did the "ok ill pull all access" deal. And the split was a fact.

devn00b.net was disconnected since image had access there and image has proven himself to be childish and vengeful before. now, a lot of DOS attacks started hitting the EQemu box from what LE said to be on of devn00b's server, and that devn00b along with image had pulled CVS access from everyone else. I have no idea if he was right on that or not, but that's why your access was pulled, devn00b. If it was wrong I apologize, and so should LE imho. Image did spout off on how you would shut down anything you ran because you were with him, etc.

That's essentially the whole of it. If you want to consider me a bad guy in this, devn00b, go for it. But I really never wanted anything else than getting rid of the powertripping. Was so fucking tired of image crying because someone edited his rules post or something.

voting is for devs right?

if so they vote on what?

I mean I just asking... I like working with eqemu and I am starting to work on qeusts for ProjectEQ... I would be a coder but everone beats me to what I want to do...(which is ok..) Anyway I would just like a heads up.... I saw that the project is going to spilt up..?
If so what are they going to split into...?


this is semi of topic but seems to be the best time to ask :)

Split as in split between image and the rest. Image took his toys and left.

We vote for major things like adding devs, big changes, etc.

Oh ok i see :) Thanks for the fast reply!

Good riddens to image then. The project has no room for shit like that honestly. Voting is a good system and nobody should have "my way or the highway" authority.

I think the project will only grow stronger with their absence

What angers me is I have been trying to get my packetlogs submited for DAYS. For some reason I cant get atachments to work with hotmail or walla, So I told Image and asked him if i could send it through IRC and he AGREED. It seems like hes the only one who would take them, i have been trying to send them but all ive ben getting is being ignored BUT Image listened and he happily started downloading even though the file was only moving at 1kb per sec and wouldn't be done for 40 minutes.

There is more to being a community manager than just moving posts and moderating forums, now mind you I have NOTHING against melwin I think its about time someone started enforcing the rules. Yet I only see melwin as a moderater, not admin.

Re: Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.
 

Just my 2 copper. I was telling me so...
For times now, Wiz/Melwin tries to get more and more control and override this project for their own in many way : discredit about members, discredit about others' projects ...

What I may ask is :
- Wiz did almost nothing for EQemu . Only for WR or what he planned ?
- Melwin wasn't, isn't and will never be a (good) Public Relation guy
- WR is loosing money about its hosting ... next month every thing would be ok ?
- why, every times a dev or an important member of this project leaves, bullshits appear ?

It appears to me that the dumbass are not who we think of at first ?

• Hogie left because his receive bad traitment about receiving most of the donations.... he was doing all the hosting part ... there was no problem about hosting, etc for this project and some third projects ...

• others left because of bad treatment. Cause of this bad treatment ? they disagreed some of the "current" dev (understand, by those days)

• others left because they asked several times to get rid of dumbassness a certain way but due to their age in this project, they were throught out

• ...

All this to say, don't say Amen to what you see or what people tell you... Just grab all advice, all informations from both sides and you will be largely surprised.

EQemu is not dead. What is dead is the first day spirit :
offer a new way to play EQ and an alternative to SOE.

Today, and what comes first in mind when most of you talk about EQ is : WR ...
Wiz is a dev .... the tag says so ... I'm not really sure for the rest
Melwin (WR member) as public relation for EQ ? hmmm ....

Former EQ devteam members leaving more and more and tons of reasons (true or false, I don't really care ... for now) .... hmmm ....

Like i say often,
Nothing else to add, your Honor ![/list]

Dos attack from my server eh? Lets see here.

PING soulblighters.com (207.36.232.31)
PING cronikus.com (207.36.232.31)

those are my two domains, as you can see they are on the same box. if a dos attack came from that ip then it was me. if not...

Wheres the logs? thats a pretty bold accusation to make there wiz.

There's a lot of misinformation going on in this thread.

First of all, I'm not a developer. I'm not a public relations guy. I'm some dude who moderates the forums, and I'll be damned if I'm cutting anyone any more slack than the next guy. I have forum admin status because I need forum admin status to do what I do. If I couldn't ban, edit profiles, manage forums and usergroups and set status I'd be bugging the everliving fuck out of the "ideal" four admins that devn00b proposed just so I could do my job. A job I have because noone else on the team wants/has the time to do it, by the way.

Wiz works on the project a lot, too, by the way. He and Fathernitwit spent some long hours trying to get Line of Sight for NPCs working just recently.

You're right though nemo, EQEmu isn't dead. Nor's the "first day spirit" of trying to recreate an alternative to EQLive, though. To say so would be complete bullshit; we have a lot of active developers working on the project right now, and it's sure not so they can get free coffee.

image was anything but the only one capable of leading. In fact, as none of you at all would know since this all went down "behind the scenes", image was anything but capable of anything resembling respectable leadership. So yeah darkone, you are wrong. His "leadership" basically tore the team apart and by the time he left, people were pretty much ready to fork the project to get away.

image's account was deleted because he changed the rules to this. I think it speaks for itself, devn00b.

Moreover, we don't "give status to people who don't do shit for the project". At least, if we do, we'd like to know who they are.

Everyone "ganged up" on image because he overstepped his authority, plain and simple, and not for any other reason.

I think that covers about everything. I won't get into the main meat of the argument for the fact it largely revolves around me and that image, devn00b and I had some mutual dislike going on.

You're really just reading selectively to demonize me, aren't you? :roll:

I never said that it was you, I don't think it was you. I think it was a misconception. I'm saying the REASON we all turned at you was because it was believed you were on some vengeance game along with image.

- I have done the following for EQemu: FD, waypoints, an AI rewrite, packet rewrite, fixes to combined packets, basic LOS (and now advanced LOS, plus fear and combat pathing coming), several crash fixes, fixes with merchants, fixes with groups, a large amount of packetcollecting, etc etc etc. Yeah okay. Nothing at all.
- Don't care to comment on this one.
- Actually, yes. And this has nothing to do with EQemu. We got enough donations to stay afloat now, I only have to pay a little every month.
- Where was the bullshit when merth left? How about kathgar? You're making shit up.

YEAH
 

Sounds like some good stuff im really looking forward to the los, fear and combat tweaks :D thank you wiz

A lot of us love eqemu and the hard work thats created it from all of the developers. Dont think that because you guys catch crap that people dont care. I do cartwheels everytime I get the newest DR to compile and im not alone. The magic is alive look at the peqguys the work and devotion getting pumped out by them is amazing they almost have a classic database completed. Eqemu has made people who never thought about c++ or mysql rush to the bookstores to learn. Eqemu is bridging common intrests and expanding horizons for most of its followers. Even though you still see the OMG THIS SERVER SUX0RS in ooc every now and then or the idiotic PM's don't think that no one cares. We love all of the work guys keep it rolling. :wink:

/goes back to my dreamworld whare everyone gets along

Actually I was hoping we could've kept everything private to avoid extending this huge drama session even further than it's been already =/

First of all let me talk about that comment that somehow accused me of wrongdoing by registering the eqemulator domain and getting a dedicated server for the project. I was the one who registered the domain because everyone else was either too busy or too lazy to do it themselves. Yah, I used the $200 of donation money to pay for the dedicated server, as well as the ad money we received. We are currently paid up until December. So how does that make me guilty of wrongdoing?

The DOS attack wasnt from either one of those IP addresses, it was from 66.139.79.12. Whether it was image (he claims it wasnt him) or someone else, (the attack happened 7 minutes after your server was juped) so we naturally assumed it was you. If it wasnt you then I'm sorry for blaming for it, but I stand by the decision to remove your access to forums and IRC. At the time, image had access on your irc server and who knows what else. He already removed us from sourceforge and SCM (dev cvs) so I did not want the same thing happening to the forums. Whether that hurt your feelings, I'm sorry but the fact is it HAD to be done. As I have said on numerous occasions if the majority of the dev team wants me gone, then I will leave gracefully. I will transfer the domain into someone else's name and be done with it. But I will NOT be a fucking cry baby like image and remove everyone's access because I didnt get my way.

Oh and we already have EQEmu working with live. :P

hmm
 

Eqemu is compatible with live? 5.7DR6?

Re: hmm
 

No, the one that's compatible with Live is not yet released (THERE IS NO ETA DO NOT ASK OR I WILL BE SUPER MAD OKAY >:( ) and really isn't functional. I'm not sure exactly what DOES work, but just imagine stuff like casting spells or looting not working. :P

Oh
 

Oh =P lol. Its all good. 5.7 Dr6 is working good for me except everyone has white skin =P any chance this is addressed in 5.7DR7? Heard somehwere it will be. all my graphic card drives are updated...

Go take that up with the EEOC. I don't see it as an Emu problem. :lol:

A white erudite? now that would look goofy... but i thought all other races were white, unless you mean white like high elf white.

/hyjack on..


hey melwin when we getting 5.8.. /grin

/hyjack off

Umm just about everything works, merchants, combat, looting, etc. The only thing that I have been told that didnt work was AA's.

/dev/n00b i'll miss you the most after you banning me a long time ago. I miss your will not listen to reason and ban on site ways... GOD IM GONNA MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Image you gave me the ability to come back to the forums even after being banned 4 times. Man im gonna miss you too. The best developers leaving WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:


Hey /dev/n00b come on over to my forums, i'll give you administration and we can hang out and smoke OUR OWN bowls. How bout that? I look forward to your PM, or e-mail.

Best developers that are gone? (I think anyways) 4 (and counting)

/dev/n00b
Merth
Image
WC (Wind Catcher)

being banned as many times as I did, I still love you guys!

www.roar.5u.com forums are open for those that wanna hang out and post for fun.

I'm still working on the coding,hacking,moding 'n stuff....

Spike just stop posting wile your ahaid.

He's ahead?

he isnt banned, so yea.....

sorry dev/noob to see you go.. wont be the same..

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Mel isnt even a Dev whay you name him?

Closed source and close the project? ok what would the other 19323 people do? This would NOT help the community at all. And a lot of buf fixes come from the Jr Devs and people just fiddling around. how would them not being able to help solve anything at all?

Nope, I would think that would definitely see EQEmu split into two, i.e. a 'closed source fork' and an 'open source fork'.

And nether one as good as if it never happend.

Because since image was power tripping and got booted out, it should be closed source so that the devs who got rid of the power tripper won't power trip.

Wtf? Are you high?

Windcatcher left?