sic ! Don't say scary things like that :evil:

I demand a re-count!!!!!!

you shouldnt be so ruff as a forum mod, we all know her argument is flawed dont feed teh trollage.. your better than that you dont need to comment on it cause you kno the real deal

I'm stating how it went down and the attitude that image has displayed in the dev team.

If you consider Melwin to be at fault, you probably need to take an ethics class.

erm.. didnt image start this whole thing because melwin was givin forum mod status? thats all i was sayin

I think that's true, but I hope not. Melwin rules.

Actualy your quite wrong. Image created the sourceforge project. He was the project admin. Feel free to call sourceforge yourself, It was created by him before anyone even heard your name. As for SCM, he had every right to remove everyones access. Seeing as SCM was mine and I told image to admin it any way he saw fit.

Lethal should never have been the " boss ". As with anything Senioraty 1st. But whatever. I Will possibly be releasing The loginserver code i have as well as the crypto. You all want to backstab me and image. then the same shall happen to you.

Also unless image and I are restored on the forums and irc by today shit will get alot worse. This is how it should be. I still see no vote to remove image and I.

/cheer devnoob. I gave up, don't you give up too!

Lawl.

You're not going to get anywhere with threats. If anything, it just proves we were right to assume you were capable of doing taht DOS attack.

Okay, though, I'll make a vote.

No kidding...you don't look innocent at all really by saying what you just did.

wtf dude, they are inviting you back.

and btw to you other guys.. you make it sound like you just dont want image or devnoob around or even like them, rather than just disagreeing with their opinion like you should.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

[quote="Wiz"]tons of ppl are capable to do DOS attack.
but are they all guilty ?

Think about what you are saing before you say it. You are not Don Quichote. You are Wiz. You are accusating ppl about stuff and asking them to proove their innocence.... Just do the same .

It's quite annoyable the way you are taking control little to little of this project for a bit more than a year now.

For pasts actions, you said that you have prooves that leaving devs does bad thing to this project. DOS attacks are part of this, and are punishable, even by US ( :roll: )... So why don't you go to the FBI who work on this (if I well remember) as Gendarmerie does in France ? Is there something you are afraid of (this is not for Wiz personnaly, just a general question to the remaining dev/admin/members) ?

What I wonder is that :
- you have prooves
- you know who did it
- you have rights to act on justice
- you have a vote sentence that (i presume) said "do not do anything ..."

why ? why are you always telling bullshit after people ? why are you trying to make people disrespect/dislike former devs of this project ? (same questions about leaving devs ... but younger :p)

btw, this if for Wiz,
4 days ago, there were still a warning about your WR bank account situation ("in the far great red"). How did you do to find the cash flow sufficient to get green as fast ? because you (general you) were telling us it was way difficult to find this cash ...
And I dont really see more donations of any kind on your website that means you get hundreds of bucks in four days from donations.... I really wonder ...

aren't you a moderator ? this was (wxhat devnoob said) was mostly for remaining devs... which you aren't

so don't laught at him. you are a moderator

[quote="fnemo"]Once again, how is the WR donations relevant? But since you're yamming on and on and being clueless:

WR costs $350/month to run.

We had $200/month in subscriptions when I put up message.

Now we have $310/month and will get a few more soon.

Does that answer your irrelevant babbling?

I'd also like to see to you where I said it's proven what devn00b did the DOS attack. I did not pull his access, LE did. You're using what is in argumentative terms called a Strawman. I said it proves that we are right to assume he is capable of it, the rest was a leap of... well, whatever it was... on your part.

I am taking control over the project? lawl. Yes, it bows to my will. I am the destroyer of all other servers.

:roll:

What does my being forum enforcer have anything to do with my freedom to laugh at him?

He's trying to threaten his way back on the devteam. That's just plain hilarious.

Going to put this in a separate reply.

Since you seem to be implying I am using EQemu money or some kind of scheming to further WR, fnemo, I ask you to answer this quick little quiz:

1) Which server was constantly advertised in the news part of the emulator itself?

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Koolkat's Non-Legit Server

2) Which server was hyped up, garnered tons of posts in general, and was all-in-all displayed all over the EQemu site.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) slow server (don't log in!)

3) Which server was in essence, entirely run by developers and had GM access to every developer.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Pie in the Sky server

1) GW (more devs implicated ... but GW source is implemented in the general one)
2) GW & WR (same comment as precedent + for WR it was inderectly)
3) GW (but once again, same comment)

and 3rd answer explain fully the presence of GW for the 2 others...
but that dont involve the cash flow

you were "alone" to pay you said .... so you work with donations
they were several to pay ...

for my own, I pay 350 Euro/month to host my servers (including old Alkora's SQL + world/zones which became another project)
and for now, I pay alone .... because I made this choice. And If I'm in red, I wont cry about it .... i'll take it for me and find a solution. But this is totally transparent for people.

The fact is, GW's cash was transparent (nobody know about it except owners).
You told about yours ... and the red light then you are on green one.... quite fast

Thats normal for me (like many others but I'm the only one to ask ...) "why ?"


The other thing, a (long) while ago, we know who paid (and donate) for what, how much ... on this project. Now .... we do know nothing ... :evil:

Yeah, okay. It's immoral to ask for donations to pay for server hardware when you provide a server. Do you even listen to yourself? You're being a complete jacktard.

I'm just asking which server has a pattern of being promoted as EQemu's "main" server by the server admins. If you're going to accuse me of embezzling funds, you better have something to back up those shitty little claims, because you are being a massive grandfucking hypocrite (remember that about NO PROOF NO ACCUSATION? you said).

You want to know why I'm in the green again? Because my players read that and signed up for subscriptions. Is that so incredibly hard to understand?

I invite you to pull out proof that I have somehow been embezzling funds, since that seems to be the only reason you'd even bring WR into this, being that it's utterly and completely unrelated, assuming it's not just a case of jealousy because I happen to run the most popular server.

*gg*

who said it was immoral ? I said the way you did it is suspicious .... There is a huge gap between those 2 words ...

another thing, being the main server for eqemu ... hmmm i remember time with merth, just after hogie left .... who did it ? you ? nope, me ! so dont use this argument !

I'm not hypocryte. I'm not accusating ... I wonder and say my questions openly ! That's all. Now, if for you it's accusation ... not my fault.

Something to hide ? :lol: :roll:

What I mean is, the way you generaly act is .... way to suspicious for me. That's the point.

I see. So I'm suspicious because I ask for donations and get them.

You really don't have a lot going on up there, do you?

If I had time right now (which I dont since I have to go to work), I answer... But, I think its better to not ...

because you only answer/read/whatever, what you want to ...

On this, I say, good evening guys, time for me to work...

Here's my paypal statements since the announcement of the defecit (Aug 13th):

Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Cancelled Details ... ... ...
Aug. 14, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 14, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 14, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 16, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 16, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 17, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 19, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 21, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...

That's besides loose payments.

Boy, those $110 extra per month came outta nowhere.

Also, for the information of your "suspicious" little ass, I footed the bill for the server for a very long time before we moved to a $350/month server to accomondate growing popularity.

*Edit: Real names editted out

Premature assumptions should not influence senseless accusations.

Amazing. That would make two of us.

Lol watch it fnemo.. going against some people on here will guarantee you a ban from this forum and community.. even if what you say is true.. or not.. fact is.. noone will ever know what is true.. again.. i say.. just close the source.. and all this will go away once and for all.. :)

[quote="killspree"]Hi patreecia...you seem new. I'll clue you in on something: Wiz has been around a long time too, perhaps you're the one that should look for a bit of respect when speaking to people.

who cares?? i personally dont like wiz.. and if he left there wouldnt be no love lost at all.. his attitude and his constant lying about money that he gets on his server..

contributions? what did he contribute actually? that hasnt been already thought of from other devs? .. this project would definately go on without him staying or him leaving.. but yanno.. we all have the right to H8te who we want and like or dislike..

but to powertrip an older person just because.. of whatever reason.. well kinda sensless.. read above post i made..

stop the madness and just close the project..
If we all cant get along then its far time we should pack it up and just go.. like im ready to do.. buhbye :P

How about you leave since you hate it here so much?

At this point right now there is very few people saying "close the project" or "you suxxors!!11!!!!"

Practice what you people preach, you want them to be more respectfull you be more respectfull, you want the flames to stop, stop flameing. come on people show some maturity.




And before I get called a powa trippen Dev, im a Moderatior, and I think the Devs needs to grow up too, however after dealing with the jerks on these forums I dont blame them for most of there attitudes.

The people who would ban you for going against them were recently removed, actually.

And yeah, that's some asinine arguments even I won't bother debunking, and that's saying a lot.

...I'm going to guess you haven't been around very long either. What has wiz contributed? Well for one, he contributed mob pathing code, he also contributed additions to the old quest formet, as well as some loot code changes(I believe), among other things. You can see a list of what he's done in one of his posts above, but suffice to say you don't really have much of a clue if you think he's done nothing.

Like someone or not, if they contribute to the project it's rude to make things up like saying they haven't done anything.

And while we're on the subject, fataldelay, what have you contributed?

I have nothing against image or devn00b, but saying something like wiz hasn't done anything is baseless and stupid.

And learn how to quote if you're going to do it...I had to edit my post to fix a quote yours screwed up. Thanks.

matt.. first of all i never ever said i hated it here..

please revise what i wrote...

i said.. that if we all cannot get along then just close it..

people with the knowledge and time to share.. and turn around and treat each other like they do.. when compared to people like me that dont know jack about developing or even just trying to put a server up is blind sided by older members and wiser members arguing... and fussing..

I dont know if you guys have kids .. but my sons argue over PS2 games all the time.. and instead of just putting up with the arguments.. i just simply take it away from them... ends arguments completely..

Melwin, didnt know that .. but hell i dont know jack anyways lol.. but coming on here and going against power people in the past has provened without a doubt a perm... ban.. I try my best not to ever point people out in forums responses .. cause heck i still trying to get questions answered.. like how do you make a trainer.. oh well.. let me do forums searching.. and work on my server..

Too much ha8e in the world guys.. lets all work together and end this bickering.. were all suppose to friends here.. or atleast thats the way it should be.

So by you coming in and addint to the issues it makes things better?


You have had nothing to say besides "close it down that will end this" So because a handfull of people cant get along and have issues you want to take the project away from thousands and thousands of other users?


Ok Johney and joe are fighting over pac-man, there in a class of 50 other kids. So the teacher should take pac-man away from the whole class because of what just 2 of them did?

kill,

umm i dont feel i have to contribute anything.. fact is facts..

kinda like that boss of a construction company yanno...

boss wants to build building.. so he gets a bricklayer to do the labor.. then of course boss profits off it.. boss probably didnt know jack on how to lay bricks...

now if i knew how to lay bricks.. i wouldnt be here.. but since i am here.. i still have a voice.. and the boss would too on a building project specially if the laborer was acting kinda silly ..

being a part of a community is great.. we have an opportunity voice an opinion whether you like it or not.. as long as we are not harmfully hurting anyone integrity..

but it seems unless you have 200+ posts or have been here for years is the only way you can outright flame someone about an opion someone else has...

as for me being on this forums.. hmm on and off for about 2 years now.. yes yes.. new account .. blah blah.. but still fact remains havent ever contributed to the project... as great as it is...and i do say that again.. its a great project.. i do appreciate the work you guys put into this.. but the fighting against.. great minds that would probably be useful in other things than coming on a forum and bitching at each other would benefit us even more..

so kill sorry if you didnt think i have an opinion but i do.. live with it..

How about this,


You are the owner of a lacal busness, its getting a lot of complaints on its customer service and the employees are NOT happy.

You have 14 employees, in doing serveys and sessions with the employees to get to the root of the issues, it comes out that 10 people say the manager is the issue.


14 people.....10 say the issues are caused by 1 person. So to solver the issues you fire the manager and promote a new one from inside the company, the manager freeks out and starts causing issues again. After you fire the manager you realize his roomate has the keys to the store and the safe, everything. So to make sure the ex-manager cant use his roomates keys you take them back till things calm down.


All reasonable things and stuff that is done in every day busness. Where the HUGE issues start isnt from the employess its from the customers, the customers who liked the old manager better, or the ones with no life that live to cause problems.


If people would let this go and stop edging things on it would have been solved and over with by now, there NOT the issue right now its the people who keep going on and on and on.

Everyone is equal before the Ban Hammer.

Things might have been run nepotism-style in the past, but this is no longer the case. I really don't care if you have a billion posts and registered in 1942. It doesn't matter. You get three strikes, and then it's out for that account. If you repeat your pattern on eventual new accounts, you get IP-banned.

*Edit* AND HOW ABOUT THIS: EQEmu is an opensource project, not a business. Stop making retarded comparisons, everyone.

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Things might have been run nepotism-style in the past, but this is no longer the case. I really don't care if you have a billion posts and registered in 1942. It doesn't matter. You get three strikes, and then it's out for that account. If you repeat your pattern on eventual new accounts, you get IP-banned.
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nods... dont ban me lol :P

Matt.. i agree you totally.. Melwin why dont you just lock it..? Oh on another note.. Wiz.., just because i have a personal vendeta against you.. no flame towards at all.. if i leaned towards it in the earlier post.. i appoligize.. im sure its no sweat on your back.. figured id come clean with that

Matt also.. good point made about the employees.. but again.. things like this should not be brought up in a public forum.. I really dont know who owns the forums but i know if i did.. i would prevent things like this being posted.. it just creates havoc with the community.. and unneeded problems...

Tried that, it turns into "Wiz is steeling $" "what they hiding?" "welll i want to KNOW whats going on this is open source we have a right to know" ect ect


I still believe as bad as things got in a few threads it would have been a LOT worse if it was all done in wispers and back allys.

I was violently opposed to locking this thread even after repeated requests, so people could voice their concerns, but I see you really don't appreciate a grain of freedom.

Thread locked. There is nothing more to add to this topic.