saddam wasn't a threat to the united states? he refused to disarm his wepons of mass destruction and gave direct threats to our country...these people were danceing in the streets celebrateing on 9/11. we kept finding tapes of threats to our country from these people. maby thats not a threat to you but i consider it a threat to me. and yes it was to the best interest of the united states to go to war with iraq. in fact the majority of u.s. citizens are bush fans. if you go out west everyone loves him just because you live on the east coast and see all the protesters and shit doesnt mean everyone in this country hates him. anyway my opinion is that he is a good president and im not going to sit here and let everyone talk shit about him. but you people can say what you want...we shouldnt have gone to war blah blah we should just wait for them to hit us with more terrorism too right? i dont think so this is the u.s. we need to fight for our rights and freedom..we cant stay the top nation without posing a threat to other ones and if we dont retaliate when something goes wrong who is going to fear us? if you people had any kind of education you would realize that bush is doing the right thing but instead you hear the words draft or death and you whine like bitches...grow up a little bit people. i would gladly give my life for my country. war isnt a good thing...of corse it isn't but it is the necessary thing. we needed to hit these terrorists before they hit us again. the u.s. is the police of the world it is our responsability to get involved...and for all of you people calling bush a pussy..what the fuck...call these people saying they are going to run away from the draft pussys..thats all i have to say for now

Ajantiskillshot, you are so ignorant its not even funny. I wish people wouldn't post unless they had a freeking clue what they were talking about first. If you had ANY idea about what was going on you might have some points. I will go in order starting with your first dumb remark.

First off....we HAVEN'T found any WMD's!!! Second, Saddam or Iraq never directly threatened the US, if you disagree show me proof.

Ok, here is the most important one, listen close I don't want you to miss it. Your use of "these people" in many of your sentences is stereotypical, the Iraqis never did anything to us, it was Al Queda which is a comparatively small organization of extremists that were exiled from their Arabic countries and is based in Afghanistan. This organization is looked down upon by the Arabic community as a whole.

The war in Iraq is not about terrorism or Iraq, its about money, oil, and revenge against Saddam (who was an Ally of the US not too long ago [or a puppet] however you want to look at it) because of Bush senior. There are no WMD in Iraq, the Iraqi people and government are not members of a terrorist organization.

Police of the world? Who made us that? Ourselves? Pretty grand idea I think. Sounds like a way for the US to expand its influence and get more money to me. And you really think that we should our power through fear? Give me a break, that doesn't last for long, eventually enough people revolt to overthrow the tyrants. ALL nations eventually fall....Egypt, Aztec, Maya, Mesopotamia, Babylon, Roman, English, to name a few. Eventually the United States time will come and it will fall too.

You want to know why the US is the target of terrorist attacks? Its not because of religion, its not because we are the strongest nation in the world. Its because we support Israel, we supply them with money and weapons so they can kill the Palestinians and take the land they have been living on for thousands of years. The Israelis want a jewish only state and won't let the Palestinians live there equally with them witht he same rights which is all the Palestinians want, so they kill each other. The Palestinians are larger in number but not as well armed because the US supplies weapons to the Israelis because its in the US best interest to support them for two reasons: 1. Jews have a lot of power in the US and government and 2. Israel is a foothold for the US in the Middle-east where they can have bases and perform over seas operations.

Point here is that the Israelis are Jews and the Palestinians are Muslim. All of the other Arab nations in the Middle-east are Muslim also so they support Palestine. So since the US supports Israel the Muslims don't like the US government and this extremist group Al Queda is using this to rally Muslims to perform terrorist acts on the US to prove a point to the US government.

Solution:

The US needs to stop supporting Israel and allow everything to take its course there and the terroist acts will stop.

Also the US needs to withdraw from Iraq and allow them to form their own government, the iraqis will not accept any government that is put in place by the US because said government will be puppets of the US. The reason soldiers are dying everyday in Iraq is because we have military in their cities and the population is fighting against them. We have been there too long. How would you like it if you left your house everyday for work and there were military troops and tanks right outside your front door?

Anyway, thats it, take what you want from this but it is the truth from the Arabs point of view in case you want to see it from a different perspective. Alot of what we hear here in the US is propaganda to try to get the US people to back the government but most of it is biased. I wouldn't believe one thing the government in the US says about anything.

F that. I'm moving to Canada.

Jez said it pretty damn well, no need to explain it any further to yet another sheep that feeds on the propoganda machine meals, super sized it seems.

wow, i second that, couldnt have said it any better

I really think its funny how you people are such geniuses that you have the solution to the iraq problem and you dont tell bush!! omg just send him an email saying leave iraq and since he nor anyone else had ever thought about leaving iraq then they will be like OMG!!! we can just leave and they will for sure build a strong government that will help the people...

Dude, they won't do it because it wouldn't be in the US best interest. They would lose out on billions of dollars and they would gain power over these countries. George Bush and the rest of his cabinet are all politicians, they don't care if people are dying if it helps to promote them or give them more power.

Very well said jezebell on your post above but this snippet i have to say is partly untrue, First of all Egypt did not fall they pretty much withered away, the Aztec and Maya civilizations were not tyrannical or evil(well they were evil they just didn't know they thought they were doing good to their gods) but they fell and you know why? Spanish explorers and soldiers killed everylast one of em yes a few servived but their civilization was destroyed and all their gold was stolen. Mesopotania(althought i believe its mesopotania been a while since that history lesson heh) also wethered away infact mesopotania is pretty much like todays america wemon had rights and parents could get divorced if both agreed, the only difference is they had a king. Not sure what happend to babylon but i beleave they were destroyed by a war.Yes romans tranical ways were pretty much stopped that is true. If by english you men't great briton then no, they may have stopped their kings tyrannical ways but their culture did not fall apart.

I agree with you, but I didn't say anything about those nations being tyranical in nature, I just said they eventually all fell. What I meant was they all had great power at one time and now they either don't exist or their power is nothing like what it was. When I say the United States will fall, I don't mean it will cease to exist, I just mean that it will lose its power and some other nation will become the most powerful in the world. Its a historical process that happens age after age, its part of life and nature.

I wish I could give you proof, I read intelligence reports every day, if they are ever declassified maybe I can. Although I am about as neutral as anyone can be on the issue, I do think Iraq will be a better place once everything is said and done. Should we have gone to war for the WMDs? Probably not, especially since we havent found any yet, but thats all hindsight. Once we had gotten into the war, there was no turning around. I dont believe alot of what the anti-war people like michael moore have been saying, but I dont go around calling him names and shit, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, dont call people names and flame them because their view differs from your own. Doing so just shows disrespect to them and yourself.

I agree that everyone is entitled to his own opinion. I for one support the President. If you don't agree with me, that's fine.

I don't really believe that saying we were going into Iraq because of WMD's was a great idea. But, I do believe that without sufficient proof that Saddam destroyed what everyone know he had, it was justifiable per the umpteen hundred resolutions.

I am just frustrated by the press. Everyone has been harping on not finding any WMD's and when we find a bomb with serin gas that the insurgents were using, it's just a blerb on the news and no one mentions it. It seems like everyone is so caught up on the fact that we didn't find anything over there that even if we do, or when we did, it's like the press wants to sweep it under the rug.

I don't think that because we found a bomb that had serin gas it shows that Iraq was going to create a WMD to hit us. But, it does show that he still had the agents to create a weapon if he wanted to.

I agree that there is no need to be name calling or calling people ignorant for having their own opinion. Unless you have some information that the rest of us aren't privy to, which I'm sure that 99.9% of us aren't (Edgar being the .1% that is :D ), we are getting our information from the news and what we hear around work or school. It's not going to be completely accurate.

My 2 cents

Ask yourself how they got serin in the 1st place and it traces right back to your governments front door when either Bush Sr or Regan was supporting Mr Husein both financially as well as with technology.

Edit:

Just a little history, for those that care.

1964-67: Hussein imprisoned for attempting to assasinate the, then president, of Iraq.

1967-69: Hussein joins a right wing political body lead by his cousin.

1969-79: Hussein is head of the secret service in Iraq after his cousins politilcal party usurps power, forcibly.

1979-2004: Hussein forces his own cousin out of the leadership, by force. And we all know where it goes from there.

tiraid

I just want to say... I enjoy reading your posts. If my girlfriend was ever drafted and forced into war, I would gladly take her place... even if I knew I wouldn't return. The Idea of forcing female's into battle is tyrannical.

At the moment, I am 17 years old. Should I be drafted into war, so be it. If my country needs my aid in battle, I will help. I find it completely disrespectful to those that were forced into battle and lost their lives fighting for this country, for someone to be a pussy and flee the country if they are drafted. They should be sentenced to death.

I do however, disagree with the draft for the sole reason it includes women. I also find it sad that we should have to draft, it isn't the best way to send in forces to another country, and it would include many more casualties then nescessary due to lack of training. Most would not be able to endure the hardship's of combat. Lack of supplies, no place to shower, not knowing when or if the next time you will see your other half, or your family. All those things take a toll on your morale.

Those of you that would gladly support your country if they needed your help, whether you agree with the reason or not, I salute you, for the sole reason you are defending america. Those of you that would not... leave, right now... get the fuck out. I will fuck you up in RL.

I am sorry, but invading another country, taking over its resources, and overthrowing its government when said country did not attack us in any way is not defending our country. Those people in Iraq that are resisting the US are fighting us because we are occupying their cities with military troops, they are the ones defending their country. Wouldn't you do the same if the United States was invaded by some military force? I know I would.

Aehm Jezebell .

I think the country belongs to Israel they have founded it and it was taken away from other arabian races.
They had no own country , no place to live.
And then they were killed by the Nazis.
After Palestina was shared into to parts , (one day after yelling out the new state Israel) Palestina attacked Israel.
Israel is very alone between all the other ARABIC countries.
It was never a fault of the USA supporting Israel !
This is the only good thing america ever done ...