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Jarin 03-31-2004 02:30 PM

Draclian Signus
 
**EDIT** Our new site is/will be http://www.dracliansignus.org

Draclian Signus is dead for at least two days. Our site has been hit by a virus and we need to work out organization plans for our dev server. The database has also been non functional for a few days, causing zones to crash, making the server very unplayable. When we come back, I promise you all a lot of updates that you will enjoy. Sorry for the inconvenience, I hope you all will be patient as we work on this problem.

Loosenut 03-31-2004 03:26 PM

I Miss It :evil:

NarutoLegacy 03-31-2004 03:31 PM

its bugged like hell-- would be nice if it was fixed

Aquelin 03-31-2004 05:23 PM

FAIL. :wink:

Stealth_raptor 03-31-2004 06:01 PM

FAIL? Hmm...I can see there are people here that would prefer Draclian Signus to not succeed in becoming a server that rivals or even becomes more than some of the bigger servers in EQEmu...which it is obviously fast becoming.

For the moment, Draclian Signus if the most stable server I have experienced and, despite not having 70 players like most of the bigger servers that have been around for a long time, it has in the past, averaged more than 40 players at a time... At the moment, people can say, "Who cares", but how long has Draclian Signus been around?

I'd like to suggest that people stop being so eager to watch Draclian Signus die and start focusing on their own servers. Your jealously seems to be giving you a small sense of insecurity and makes me feel as if you are being immature about the whole situation.

Hopefully people will start to scroll down that serverlist and realise that Draclian Signus might soon be up there with them and unless they provide a little more content to their own servers and make it a little more stable, they'll be trailing behind it.

You seem to want competition...don't complain when you get it.

DeletedUser 03-31-2004 10:14 PM

So..... uhm.. the most stable server eh? Im guessing the reason that its the most stable server is because you only record the time it is phyiscally UP aye?

Loosenut 03-31-2004 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor
I'd like to suggest that people stop being so eager to watch Draclian Signus die and start focusing on their own servers. Your jealously seems to be giving you a small sense of insecurity and makes me feel as if you are being immature about the whole situation.

Hopefully people will start to scroll down that serverlist and realise that Draclian Signus might soon be up there with them and unless they provide a little more content to their own servers and make it a little more stable, they'll be trailing behind it.


ryder911 04-01-2004 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by image
So..... uhm.. the most stable server eh? Im guessing the reason that its the most stable server is because you only record the time it is phyiscally UP aye?

Actually the only time it is really down is when they are making updates, not because of technical problems. Ya sometimes there will be technical problems, like all servers, but there haven't been that many. I play on the server and seen it hold 20 people in a zone all in one area fighting one big mob, without the zone crashing, and I would say that is pretty damn good.

Jarin 04-01-2004 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by image
So..... uhm.. the most stable server eh? Im guessing the reason that its the most stable server is because you only record the time it is phyiscally UP aye?

Oh yeah, and I'm supposed to know a virus was coming. :roll:
And by the way, every server has downtime. GuildWars and Winter's Roar don't have so much now because they are more complete than us. I'm simply talking about player max, bandwidth, etc when I say the most stable.
Just because we've never had over 50 people doesn't mean we can't hold four to six times that many.

Monrezz 04-01-2004 10:14 AM

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Oh yeah, and I'm supposed to know a virus was coming.
You opened an e-mail attachment? :?

Jarin 04-01-2004 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Monrezz
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Oh yeah, and I'm supposed to know a virus was coming.
You opened an e-mail attachment? :?

No, in fact I don't host the server in any proximity to my home. Krusher hosts our server. As for the website, a virus has been hitting webservers worldwide, and unfortunately has downed ours for quite some time.

killspree 04-01-2004 11:17 AM

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Just because we've never had over 50 people doesn't mean we can't hold four to six times that many
I wouldn't be so sure of that until you've load tested, I'm pretty sure guildwars and wr have some custom packet compression etc.

While other people coming into the thread insulting is pretty childish, it's also bad to boast about being the most stable when it's never been proven. :)

Jarin 04-01-2004 11:29 AM

imo we can out-user any other server. We have 1.544 MB and up BW allowance, as well as a T1 connection. At 8k per user we can hold quite a few users, if you're smart enough to do the math yourself.

Terminal Delta 04-01-2004 05:34 PM

Ah, I was wonder why the server was gone.

Now I know.. bah.

Wiz 04-02-2004 02:06 AM

So, uh, Draclian Signus, have you ever given thought to the entire "Go die" being a self-created situation? That if you hadn't gone out with trumpets blaring howling "We are the best! We are the stablest! We will kick all your asses and steal all your players!" you wouldn't be met with such a hostile attitude?

Shortly after GW2 came up, it was basically like this. GW2 had 100+ players, WR about 30, the other servers had 10-. Then I (and some other servers) started siphoning players. I got a lot of stability issues worked out on WR, and it got more popular. I was never given the "lol die" attitude by image or anyone else, except a rabid GW player or two coming online to ooc "olol this server is suk bluebies"

But then, I never felt a need to wave my virtual wang in everyone's faces. I was quite content to barely even advertise for a full year of the server, and instead spend my time on improving it. It wasn't until the end I advertised, on a few off-EQemu sites (I think 2 or 3 forums), as most players came to WR by word of mouth.

If you go at the world with an attitude of being the biggest, meanest and best there is around, you will get attitude back.

Personally, I think it's a shame. I know how frustrating crashing issues are, and having a virus ruin your work must suck. I'm not sitting here hoping for DC to die. But seriously. If you're disliked by other server admins, it's because you brought it onto yourselves.

Lasiel 04-02-2004 04:10 AM

Big difference between having pride in what you've created compared to flexing the ePenis Wiz. I don't see any flexing here by Jarin. In fact he doesn't really even get too cocky until others start in on him.

Either way, players have the ability to choose whatever server they play on. If one server starts doing extrememly well maybe some of the other server ops/admins should attempt to find out why they're losing players rather than attempt to down on someone because their server seems to attract people. Or the ops/admins can act like disgruntled 10 yr olds which does absolutely nothing for their server or their overall 'rep'.

Wiz 04-02-2004 08:42 AM

I quote from this and another thread:

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Hmm Draclian Signus had been up for nearly two months, not more than 10 hours of downtime, perfect stability, yet no green name. Someone must be afraid we're actually going to get more users than their server. Or they're just holding back.
Suggestive that Draclian Signus is the best server, and is kept down by "The Man"

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No arguments about it. Draclian Signus is by far the most stable on the entire network. Nuff said.
Unbased "we are best" claim.

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I never said anything about right now. Who cares about the 130 GWs gets, I'm just saying once we get all our content in we should soar far above WR in terms of it.
Unbased "we will be best" claim.

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imo we can out-user any other server. We have 1.544 MB and up BW allowance, as well as a T1 connection. At 8k per user we can hold quite a few users, if you're smart enough to do the math yourself.
Unbased "we have the best connection" claim, as it is completely ignorant of the connections other servers run on.

Jarin 04-02-2004 10:35 AM

Wiz, I'm not trying to get on your bad side or the Devs' bad sides, and that's really hard to do when you go and do something like this. I'm merely stating my opinion. If you don't like it, edit my posts.

dleg6183 04-02-2004 11:15 AM

Winter's roar sucks~

there wiz

The guy takes pride in his server, big deal. It is a good server. Ive played on it. Its fun, and its is stable, more stablility than I ever got on WR. Plus I can actually log onto his server. (and yes I have used the WR patcher, and yes I used to play there, and yes you nerf beastlords too much. and yes, I kept all the files up to date.)

killspree 04-02-2004 11:22 AM

hehe, angry about nerfing!

dleg6183 04-02-2004 11:32 AM

meh, I never really got mad about the nerfing. Its more of the 100+ kills you needed to get if you died. Id solo things in The Deep on WR with exp debt.. and id get about .75 % back, ya.. thats way worse than EQlive.

Wiz 04-02-2004 05:37 PM

Jarin: That wasn't just your opinion, as I underlined. You were making public boasts. If you make public boasts, you will get public reactions.

You apparently missed the point, mr. Dleg. But someone who gets mad over not being able to solo level 58 mobs probably would, yeah.

Not to mention the fact that exp debt was broken, and has been fixed since weeks back. ;)

Lasiel 04-02-2004 07:40 PM

Personally I see it as a perception issue Wiz. What's boasting to one person is pride to another. /shrug

Wiz 04-03-2004 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lasiel
Personally I see it as a perception issue Wiz. What's boasting to one person is pride to another. /shrug

Uh, no. There's something called definite claims. "We are", "I am", etc etc. When these claims are unfounded (as these are, since they provide no logic backing, no comparisions, no nothing) it is basically just empty boasting.

If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

Stealth_raptor 04-03-2004 03:11 AM

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If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

I fail to see something here...

Boasting usually comes out of pride, if i'm not mistaken... There's not many reasons for 'boasting' about something when you're not proud of it...


Also, I don't see many people here complaining about Draclian Signus' stability... but I do see people here complaining about the stability of other servers. Isn't that, in itself, a small amount of proof that Draclian Signus may very well be one of the most stable servers?

(Dictionary meaning: Boasting

"To speak with pride.")

Wiz 04-03-2004 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor
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If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

I fail to see something here...

Boasting usually comes out of pride, if i'm not mistaken... There's not many reasons for 'boasting' about something when you're not proud of it...


Also, I don't see many people here complaining about Draclian Signus' stability... but I do see people here complaining about the stability of other servers. Isn't that, in itself, a small amount of proof that Draclian Signus may very well be one of the most stable servers?

(Dictionary meaning: Boasting

"To speak with pride.")

Then it's the same, and he is boasting.

Okay, you claim that to be proof? I don't see anyone complaining about the stability of You a GM too server, either.

Dude, seriously. Those claims were maybe not utterly unfounded, but still quite ignorant. I would bet my ass Jarin didn't exactly do any research on server stability or server connections before proclaiming he has the best one.

Jarin 04-03-2004 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiz
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Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor
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If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

I fail to see something here...

Boasting usually comes out of pride, if i'm not mistaken... There's not many reasons for 'boasting' about something when you're not proud of it...


Also, I don't see many people here complaining about Draclian Signus' stability... but I do see people here complaining about the stability of other servers. Isn't that, in itself, a small amount of proof that Draclian Signus may very well be one of the most stable servers?

(Dictionary meaning: Boasting

"To speak with pride.")

Then it's the same, and he is boasting.

Okay, you claim that to be proof? I don't see anyone complaining about the stability of You a GM too server, either.

Dude, seriously. Those claims were maybe not utterly unfounded, but still quite ignorant. I would bet my ass Jarin didn't exactly do any research on server stability or server connections before proclaiming he has the best one.

Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.

dleg6183 04-03-2004 06:01 AM

Wiz, the whole nerfing thing was just a joke added to the actual message. The message was:

my testimony, that Draclian Signus is more stable that Winter's Roar was for me personally.

Also, if you want to be a prick about it. Winter's Roar is becoming more and more like Like EQlive and Wiz is just like Sony, turning a fun game into a long boring repetitive one.

Jarin 04-03-2004 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dleg6183
Wiz, the whole nerfing thing was just a joke added to the actual message. The message was:

my testimony, that Draclian Signus is more stable that Winter's Roar was for me personally.

Also, if you want to be a prick about it. Winter's Roar is becoming more and more like Like EQlive and Wiz is just like Sony, turning a fun game into a long boring repetitive one.

Aye, well said mate.

Wiz 04-03-2004 06:35 AM

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Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
Let me pick apart this.

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Wiz: We're just that good.
Now, how does that rhyme with...

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I'm not saying our content will definately be better than yours, but that's just my opinion. I think it would be equally good in terms of quality, maybe not quantity, but they differ from yours in such a way that they cannot be compared until they are fully implemented. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
So basically, you are saying after all, that are you best. Righto.

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I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post.
This is a pathetic cop-out. That's like saying I can write racial slurs all over the board if I want, because you don't have to read it. If you stick your ass out in the wind, except to get frostbite.

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And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you?
Not really. That'd not be up to me, because it doesn't include me, whereas, "I have a better connection than everyone" does. But what you did was state a blatant lie, or alternatively a belief. Not an opinion. Opinions are backed up by facts. Tell me what kind of a connection I have. Or GW has. Or RA. Or you a GM too server. Can't? Thought so. So you have no clue on which connection is the best. I'm not gonna tolerate bullshit because you believe freedom of speech applies to private message boards.

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You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
This is the greatest line of them all. First you (as per usual, completely ignorantly) fit me into a certain fold, so that it applies to who you would WANT to argue against. The only thing I've said along, Jarin-buddy, and I'll take it reeeeaaal nice and slow for you, here.

You want to make a boast in public that you're best?

P R O V E I T

It's not just "your opinion". It's not just "don't like it, don't read it". If I go to a public basketball court and tell every guy there, "I own your ass at basketball", do you really expect them to not either:

A) Roll their eyes and laugh at me.

OR

B) Challenge me to put my money where my mouth is.

And that's what I'm doing, Jarin-buddy. I don't care a whit if your server has a better connection or is more stable than WR. I don't care a whit if you, or mr nerf-not-beastlords likes DC more than WR. What I do care about is lying and spreading misinformation about hard facts.

Jarin 04-03-2004 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiz
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Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
Let me pick apart this.

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Wiz: We're just that good.
Now, how does that rhyme with...

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I'm not saying our content will definately be better than yours, but that's just my opinion. I think it would be equally good in terms of quality, maybe not quantity, but they differ from yours in such a way that they cannot be compared until they are fully implemented. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
So basically, you are saying after all, that are you best. Righto.

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I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post.
This is a pathetic cop-out. That's like saying I can write racial slurs all over the board if I want, because you don't have to read it. If you stick your ass out in the wind, except to get frostbite.

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And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you?
Not really. That'd not be up to me, because it doesn't include me, whereas, "I have a better connection than everyone" does. But what you did was state a blatant lie, or alternatively a belief. Not an opinion. Opinions are backed up by facts. Tell me what kind of a connection I have. Or GW has. Or RA. Or you a GM too server. Can't? Thought so. So you have no clue on which connection is the best. I'm not gonna tolerate bullshit because you believe freedom of speech applies to private message boards.

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You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
This is the greatest line of them all. First you (as per usual, completely ignorantly) fit me into a certain fold, so that it applies to who you would WANT to argue against. The only thing I've said along, Jarin-buddy, and I'll take it reeeeaaal nice and slow for you, here.

You want to make a boast in public that you're best?

P R O V E I T

It's not just "your opinion". It's not just "don't like it, don't read it". If I go to a public basketball court and tell every guy there, "I own your ass at basketball", do you really expect them to not either:

A) Roll their eyes and laugh at me.

OR

B) Challenge me to put my money where my mouth is.

And that's what I'm doing, Jarin-buddy. I don't care a whit if your server has a better connection or is more stable than WR. I don't care a whit if you, or mr nerf-not-beastlords likes DC more than WR. What I do care about is lying and spreading misinformation about hard facts.

I must say, that is well put. *claps*
But first things first. We have had zero bad comments about our server other than 'it sucks because they banned me'. Now take a good long look at your comments. See what I mean? And I talk a lot of shit, as you can see. I do that in real life too, so it's just something you'll either have to get used to or ignore. I don't plan to continue this stupid argument anymore, so get over it. Whether we have more content or not, our little bit is obviously better in public opinion.

Wiz 04-03-2004 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jarin
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Originally Posted by Wiz
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Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
Let me pick apart this.

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Wiz: We're just that good.
Now, how does that rhyme with...

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I'm not saying our content will definately be better than yours, but that's just my opinion. I think it would be equally good in terms of quality, maybe not quantity, but they differ from yours in such a way that they cannot be compared until they are fully implemented. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
So basically, you are saying after all, that are you best. Righto.

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I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post.
This is a pathetic cop-out. That's like saying I can write racial slurs all over the board if I want, because you don't have to read it. If you stick your ass out in the wind, except to get frostbite.

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And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you?
Not really. That'd not be up to me, because it doesn't include me, whereas, "I have a better connection than everyone" does. But what you did was state a blatant lie, or alternatively a belief. Not an opinion. Opinions are backed up by facts. Tell me what kind of a connection I have. Or GW has. Or RA. Or you a GM too server. Can't? Thought so. So you have no clue on which connection is the best. I'm not gonna tolerate bullshit because you believe freedom of speech applies to private message boards.

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You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
This is the greatest line of them all. First you (as per usual, completely ignorantly) fit me into a certain fold, so that it applies to who you would WANT to argue against. The only thing I've said along, Jarin-buddy, and I'll take it reeeeaaal nice and slow for you, here.

You want to make a boast in public that you're best?

P R O V E I T

It's not just "your opinion". It's not just "don't like it, don't read it". If I go to a public basketball court and tell every guy there, "I own your ass at basketball", do you really expect them to not either:

A) Roll their eyes and laugh at me.

OR

B) Challenge me to put my money where my mouth is.

And that's what I'm doing, Jarin-buddy. I don't care a whit if your server has a better connection or is more stable than WR. I don't care a whit if you, or mr nerf-not-beastlords likes DC more than WR. What I do care about is lying and spreading misinformation about hard facts.

I must say, that is well put. *claps*
But first things first. We have had zero bad comments about our server other than 'it sucks because they banned me'. Now take a good long look at your comments. See what I mean? And I talk a lot of shit, as you can see. I do that in real life too, so it's just something you'll either have to get used to or ignore. I don't plan to continue this stupid argument anymore, so get over it. Whether we have more content or not, our little bit is obviously better in public opinion.

Okay.

-Comments about Winter's Roar-

Positive:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar (Couple negative on there as well, but a whole ton of positive)
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...ers+roar+rocks (Questionable if this is positive or not, but AFAIK, the guy still plays)
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar

Plus a bundle of old threads that were deleted due to age. Review comes to mind, where we got a 9/10. Not to mention literally hundreds of mails, PMs and posts on WR forums. But if we're just dealing with EQemu here.

Negative:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar (Not exactly serious criticism, here)

If you see the 1017 ones as negative, you're just silly, since that's because we're still running 5.3 (we do not upgrade until dev releases are stable).

If I missed any threads of either, feel free to enlighten me. Now on to Draclian Signus.

Positive:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...n+signus+rocks (Also includes negative comments)

Negative:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...raclian+signus (Dubious wheter it's really negative versus DC, mostly an attack on you)
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...raclian+signus (Also includes positive comments)

I excluded the latest threads in which we've been arguing for obvious reasons, as I'm sure you can recall all positive and negative comments against either server there.

So uh. What were you saying again?

khuong 04-03-2004 07:07 AM

flame flame flame +voice wiz wra!

Jarin 04-03-2004 07:07 AM

Public posts are shit to me. I got flooded with feedback e-mails each day, until we went down. Not counting the fact that you've been up for a year or so and we've been up for a month and a half, you've had more time to collect your comments. If I really thought you were worth my time, I'd paste several of our e-mails we've received here. But I just don't think I can waste that much energy on such a pathetic argument.

Wiz 04-03-2004 07:10 AM

No, Jarin, changing your argument doesn't work.

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But first things first. We have had zero bad comments about our server other than 'it sucks because they banned me'.
Obvious lie. You said nothing about private/public comments here. There were other comments than the stupid GM who got banned. Like the guy who didn't recommend this server on the positive thread I posted. Hell, I'll quote it for you.

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I do not recomend this server. It is not a well thought out server, in several areas. Let alone the players are VERY touchy about any suggestions to the server.

I simply asked if there were going to be better starter packs for newbs(you start BUTT naked) and i was attacked. I asked why jump me for a suggestion/question and i was told by the server op to shut up or im booted.

If you want a server to be good, dont turn into a nazi when someone says something other that complete worship of your server. And please dont get an ego because 20 people play your server.

If you want a wasteland of a server when GW opens, keep the above attitude. If you want to grow, listen to your players and dont force people to play MORE than live EQ. Lots of us have played EQ since day one and come here looking for something new. Not more level grinds on a server that trys to be 100% live EQ.

Ill probly get flamed for some reason, oh well, thats my opinion.
DC->NegativeComments++?

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Now take a good long look at your comments.
You asked me to, and I did. Now you say public comments doesn't matter, and because I've been around longer, I've had more time to collect positive comments. Shouldn't that be true for negative as well, Jarin-buddy? Or are you just trying to save your ass after your bullshit was met with facts?

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If I really thought you were worth my time, I'd paste several of our e-mails we've received here. But I just don't think I can waste that much energy on such a pathetic argument.
Forgot about this jewel. "You're not worth my time" is the classic argument of the egocentrical newbie. It provides no need to prove your worth, it proves no need to back up your outrageous claims. Sorry, Jarin. It's been tried by a hundred people like you before. And guess what? It didn't work for them either. Now, if this is a pathetic argument, why didn't you leave it already? That's right. Because that's just another attempt at a cheap cop-out, by attempting to shift zero-value onto a argument you are losing, effectively cutting your loss to zero as well.

EDIT: One final note. Note what I said, that there were more praise threads, but database got purged. If choose not to believe me, that's your call.

Jezebell 04-03-2004 07:20 AM

Wiz = 1, Jarin = 0

Jarin 04-03-2004 07:20 AM

Ok, seriously, I'm done arguing. I'd just like to forget this whole thing, but with so many protagonists it's a bit hard to. I realize I've made some mistakes, and I've done apologized for them. I may not have much public proof to back up my claims, but that still doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People think everything is about proof. Nobody can take their word for what it is, they have to have physical back up. Almost like money, if you will. People don't care about using paper money, but the U.S. says they have the gold to back it up. It's locked in Ft. Knox, and have we ever seen it? No. So how are you supposed to know it really exists? You don't. People take their word for it. Now if you wouldn't mind locking this topic, that would be great.

Wiz 04-03-2004 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jarin
Ok, seriously, I'm done arguing. I'd just like to forget this whole thing, but with so many protagonists it's a bit hard to. I realize I've made some mistakes, and I've done apologized for them. I may not have much public proof to back up my claims, but that still doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People think everything is about proof. Nobody can take their word for what it is, they have to have physical back up. Almost like money, if you will. People don't care about using paper money, but the U.S. says they have the gold to back it up. It's locked in Ft. Knox, and have we ever seen it? No. So how are you supposed to know it really exists? You don't. People take their word for it. Now if you wouldn't mind locking this topic, that would be great.

I give your attempt to shift the focus away from your lies an F. For effort.

No, sir, I'm not going to take your basketball skills being better than mine at face-level without playing you a match, or at least seeing the shirt you used to go to practice in. I'm not a gullible moron, and I don't stand idly by while people proclaim themselves bigger, badder and better than me, unless they are. Because I'm not perfect. Nor is WR. There is someone smarter than me. There is someone more creative than me. There is a better arguer than me. But at least for one of these, I can proclaim, this is not you, Jarin-buddy. (CLUE: It's not the first, nor the second, although from what I can see on your language and argumentative skills, I could assume that you're pretty dumb. But I won't claim that as a fact.)

If you really don't see any difference between your idiotic Fort Knox comparision and claiming that you have the best server -- unbacked -- on a forum for server admins, I recommend you to take a language and/or social interaction class.

Jarin 04-03-2004 07:29 AM

I'll let you have the last word, then, but I must say that I am sorry for being such a fool, Wiz. I should have thought my claims over and re worded them in such a way that it wasn't offensive. I'm not saying your server is a bad place to play on, and if I did I didn't mean it that way. I understand you did much more hard work than we did, and I congratulate you on that. All I'm saying is we would like to achieve such a status or greater. If I speak in present tense, it is not meant so.

Jezebell 04-03-2004 07:31 AM

If you would have said that at the beginning you could have avoided this entire debate that spans across multiple threads, hehe


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