Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.
 

Goodbye for good everyone. I have had the final straw. After 2 almost 3 years of devotion to eqemu and its members im done. I will not stand herea and take the treatment I have been given the last week by the current developers. This post will probly be locked and deleted. Image left the dev team, wich would be fine. Except 2 seconds later my irc server was delinked and banned from the network. My irc name was suspended from nickserv, And to top it all off my admin here once again removed.

This is total bullshit. I wasnt even fucking arround for 3 days realy to know wtf was going on. I dont care what image did, or said. I am not image. I have never done anything to harm this project. I have done nothing but give. I will not come back to this project till wiz/melwin/LE are all gone. Maybe then I would consider comming back.

Now that was just my treatment. Now ive seen what happened with image, and that is a horror story all on its own, wich i'll leave for him to tell. If they havent banned him. Oh wait, they deleted his account, oops!

Finally, I would like to make everyone realize that the project control was never LethalEncounter's. Image had control of the SourceForge project as Project Manager (which was the source of where this project started). LE took control of the donated server, domain under for his own personal control (which was YOUR donations) and revoked Image's access. So in a sense you are now donating to a rogue group of developers. If they wanted to break off they should have done so without crippling the current EQEMu project (They wanted to break off into their own project, but instead they did so by taking over current parts of the project).

Fairwell EQEMu Sorry to see the fucktards ruin you. The developers talk about everyone having a say. Everyone is supposed to vote what dev gets on the team and who gets booted. I never got such a vote. The current team can talk alot of bullshit but they dont back it. I should be reinstated to full access untill a vote can be held. Image as well since I never saw a vote to remove his access.

Anyway I digress, anyone wants to reach me just hit me up at cronikus@cronikus.com

what do you want to change to make you happy? dont say wiz/melwin/LE leaving, thats just stupid.

:-\
 

sad how good the project used to be...

now i guess its just a power trip for the devs...
anyways,

later devn00b was great having you around

asd
 

by the way:

bbum... what other reasons should he have?

Why all the h8?

Smoke a bowl and give hugs!

The drama must stop, or at least become a mildly entertaining spanish soap opera.

None of them have done programming for the project recently, Image started working on getting EQEMu working with live again. He has been a long standing developer, LONG LONG before even lethalencounter and has not only contributed far more but has most likely more knowledge of getting it up to date faster

asd
 

Bush, dont you wish it was that easy?

some devs even high would act like asses and whiny bitches..

...but what has to change to keep you around, image being welcomed back? them leaving being the only way youll come back is stupid. they want to contribute to eqemu and so do you.

~
 

Much respect devn00b ..see ya later, Shit getting crazy around here.

Re: Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.
 

The only reason that those were taken away was that image could have or gotten access to them. Lethal has since offered your irc link back as long as image doesn't have an ircop and etc.

I have nothing against you dev, and I'm sure thats how the other developers feel. But many of us know how close you and image were. Hell, if its true that you weren't the one that removed SCM, Then image had access to it right? And if thats so, he had access to more than just that.

apparently not...
firing the lead coding dev dosnt sound like its contributing to me...

sounds like someone(people) bitch and get their way... even if it is going to make the project go down... basically they might of just fucked over the entire project just to get their way about one dev...

and who the fuck gets hired to a dev team for writing messages on a forum?

yea, it boggles my mine too... :roll:

Re: Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.
 

Image was given SCM access because he is the project administrator (senior to LE). Image had access to SCM and thats it. oh and gimped oper on my server OMG!. As for the offer to relink as I said to doodman, removing image and I was a violation of the " rules " that everyone agreed to abide by. Everyone agreed to vote on issues. Looking at the dev section, I saw no vote for image and I. Great job there make the rules just to break them.

I think its sad that even tuxracer got a vote before he was removed.

Re: :-\
 

Actually, what happened recently was all about getting rid of the powertripping devs like image.

Um, devn00b. Image was removed because when he tried to override a voted decision saying he didn't like voting and wouldn't abide by them, because he was an ADMINISTRATOR, he said he would pull loose from the project and cut everyone's access to Sourceforge and SCM and so on.

Yeah.

devn00b > * + baby jeebus


that is all.



c|2@c|<

Thats fine but your treatment of me. The senior member of the team is deplorable. even other memebers of the team agree. Your words are hollow...you all say one thing and do another....No one had any right to remove my access. remove my nick from irc and remove my admin here. As i have stated image has no access to anything. sept my irc server. I still dont see a vote for my removal. and i still dont see my access back...your all hypocrites.

Hmmmm I hate to see you go /dev/n00b...


All I know is one day image was talking about the packect collector asking for everone to get logs and the next day poof he was gone....
And i was told he had just left.


Most of the people here like me that have been here for 1 or 2+ years dont have a clue on whats going on....


/dev/n00b maybie one day you'll come back :)

~
 

^almost fell out my chair laughing.

[7:21PM] <~LethalEncounter> the majority has voted him in, and your vote about the 75% rule has had 5 votes against it and 0 votes for it
[7:22PM] <&image> obviously you aren't getting me
[7:27PM] <&image> lethal
[7:27PM] <&image> if you want to webmaster that site
[7:27PM] <&image> go ahead
[7:28PM] <&image> but thats not the project anymore
[7:28PM] <~LethalEncounter> ok, if you want to break away from the project go ahead
[7:28PM] <&image> no, you are the one breaking away
[7:29PM] <&image> your SF access has been revoked
[7:29PM] <&image> your SCM has been revoked
[7:29PM] <&image> you will not be receiving ST
[7:29PM] <&image> there is a few of us that are fed up with this
[7:29PM] <&image> im going to spend my weekend getting EQEMu working with live

I'm sorry.. We are suppose to drop everything we are doing right there and make a vote, while he is strolling around with the potential to start deleting everything and generally causing chaos?

dev, You were never removed, only your access was temporarily revoked until we were sure image didn't have access to it. Now that we have gotten to the point where you say he doesn't have access anymore, we have unsuspended your irc nick, and we have offered to unjupe your irc server..

they dont want you to stop working on eqemu, you dont want to stop wroking on eqemu, they obviously thought getting rid of image was a right step for eqemu, and devnoob does not mind that image is gone, and they basicly said sorry for taking away devnoob's leet status. whats the problem here? your willing to give devnoob his status back right? what else could devnoob want to convince him not to leave heheh

Well..
 

Well i think it was all a misunderstanding Rogaen explained the situation. Lets all get along...

Re: :-\
 

weird, the way i see it... you (lethal, melwin) take image out of power for his "power trip" but you give status to people who don't do shit for the project.. funny how things work, people who actually code arouned here get fucked, and people that read forums and move topics get rewarded...


nice 'team'

No matter how many times I tell darkone, he doesn't get it that image was not removed because we liked MELWIN so much that we WANTED HIM so bad over image. No. image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote, and then after a conversation with lethal, as you can see above, continues to remove our access from sourceforge, SCM, etc.

Anyways, this is NOT THE SUBJECT. This thread is about devn00b, not image. So please do not post about image again unless it has to do with devn00b.

devn00b: Your nick has been unsuspended on IRC. Your welcome to join #eqemucoders and we can talk about this. Thats all we wanted from you in the first place, just for you to come on, let us know that image doesn't have any access, and we'll be happy to give you more access back.

Re: ~
 

blakkjak i wish it was a joke...


actually, wiz lethal or melwin...
do i meet the requirements to be a dev?

i didn't know all the 'dev' team members made the decision...

and i do believe it has something to do with image, since devn00b's being banned and his server removed revolves around this same 'incident'

dev was never banned, his access was just temporarily revoked.

and yes, this started off with image, but discussing how image was removed has nothing to do with discussing why devn00b's access was revoked. I have posted above waiting for devn00b's reply. He can either reply or come onto the irc and we can discuss this.

asd
 

also... rogean...

the dev team obviously has biased views against devn00b and/or image... if devn00bs access was removed for fear of having access to other things was LE's BS's Khuong yours or anyone elses dev access removed?? just a thought...

another thing,
its obvious everyone ganged up on image just beacuse he made and executive decision that melwin was not fit for the part, which in my opinion is completly right... you say that the dev team all has the same voice.. rogean, that cannot be possible, you must have some kind of leadership in projects like this, in buisness projects, in anything... you cannot have everyone with the same ammount of authority, image obviously should of had higher voting status than you or any of the other devs excluding lethal for reasons i don't know... and if this was not true, then your leadership team is most defiantly flawed.

the point is, you always have to have some kind of leadership and frankly image is the only one up to the job, then and now..

While not directly addressing Image, this snippet does get me interested:

Is this doable in a weekend?

asdgf
 

yes ace if you are basically finished with it anyways...

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

Wow to say the least sorry to hear you wish to leave /dev/noob.
As far as the way this system has changed over the last few years and I mean years because Lethal came to this board long after I did when this project first started. I've left and come back a few times because the game just gets to you this way. But folks your supposed to be a TEAM which means pulling through the tough shit like your fucking family and getting off your fucking high horses. I mean all of ya. I have more knowledge of O/S than all of you here don't make me special and it certainly doesnt make me a coder. I see one failure, you all try your asses off, expect the same glory over and over; from each flame, to each success, to pointing out where something could be done, but no one wants to or my fucking favorite my server is too L33t to have to worry bout even though its not fucking up yet. This was probably the L33test place to be a few years ago and your all turning into fucking cry babies. Get over it and don't flame me cuz if you were honest just one fucking time in your life you'd see your spending all this time bitching or expecting something and dangling taking the shit away even though others have put the same type of commitment into testing, db's, being here on the forum helping peeps and chattin it up, bug reporting, packet collecting, etc etc etc. The real point is cut the shit, work like a team, or go on and leave a community of people that actually give a shit about the project and understand your commitments.
This was probably the worst attitude I've ever seen. I'm disabled so flame me but realize I speak nothing but the truth. If you really were that concerned about the project why the hell isn't there a back-up somewhere for purposes of such issues like Image?
I'm staying, but I'm freaking pissed you all would stoop to such levels here knocking each other over petty differences when you all seem to wish the same end result.
Fucking confused,
Darkwaters

Re: asd
 

Darkone, We all agreed that issues would be voted on. Thats what we were doing, voting. Then image felt like he had to start removing our access to SCM/SF when he didn't get his way.

devn00b's access was temporarily removed because, as I have said before, most of us know how close image and dev were, and the possibilities that image had access to a lot of dev's things.

hmm one vote started all this.. ive found when you have to vote on issues instead of talk to an agreement its never a good sign for a dev team :D ..can you tell us what the vote was on? im just curious.. must be somethin huge if it caused image to do that stuffs.. he must of felt really strong about whatever it was

There's more to the story than a simple vote and it's only fair we know it after all the rip-roaring flamage I've witnessed in just one thread.
Still pissed about the way people are acting atm
Darkwaters

Read my post above. I have also said the same thing in a previous post.

If that's how you feel dev, then it was good to know you. If indeed you would have stayed if this situation had not happened then I am sorry we did not communicate in a better fashion. Good luck.

bbum... they invited someone who 'piggs' people on the fucking forums to be a developer...

my god... could it be that image was right?


god damn he fucking did nothing and image did everything...
*gasp* could it be that image is right and the devs were wrong?
wow... would that be much of a change?

It was because image (myself included in this as we where talking one night) thought it was stupid that somone that isnt a real dev (melwin) should have admin status to the board while somone else who is a real dev (doodman) doesnt. And also having too many people with Admin access to the forums is a bad idea for the simple fact that it makes it easyer for a hacker to gain access to the system. Alot easyer to find 1 weak password out of 10, than to find 1 weak password out of 4.

theres nothing wrong with having board moderators who arnt devs. melwin is a good mod too btw

and just becaues they can contribute to eqemu doesnt make them a good forum mod.

A vote for giving melwin forum admin access was made because melwin was the only person that was trying to organize and pull the boards together. Most (if not all) of the current admins werent doing anything about this.

I honostly doubt that the real reason that you voted no was because 'it makes it easier for hackers'.

But, once again, the point of removing image was not that we wanted melwin so bad, it was that we established the rule that we vote on issues like these, and image felt like he had to override and remove our access when he didn't get his way.