Mozilla vs IE - topic split from WOW = World of Warcraft
 

You all should really use firefox.. man.. IE Sucks ASS..

as long as you know how to not fuck your ie up firefox is useless

IE > Any other browser

Reason: Default browser of all computers. If you pretend another one is better, then u have a messed up computer.

Can we ban him again for being retarded?

whys it so retarded, hes right, ie is default and you cant uninstall it. firefox is nothing but a waste of space for people who are to lazy/stupid to not take care of their computer.

I take care of my computer, and I dont use IE.

Also, thats an opinion, so he cant be right or wrong. lolgj~

one of the browsers is superior, no opinion involved. ie is faster, supports more html, etc etc

Ok, fine.

As we see in the first bolding, thats an opinion. Its better, thats that hes saying. Next paragraph is a bit different, but that first bolding is his opinion.

In the second bolding, we see some truth. I dont know about mac's though. But theres a bit of "rightness".

In the 3rd bolding we see him saying that pretending another is better means our computer is messed up. Well thats a great idea Mr.Cleo, but I dont think so. I dont use IE, yet my computer is fine.

First bolding in this, we see your opinion of him being right. Opinions are fun, arent they?

In the second bolding, we see that you say you cant uninstall. Well thats fine, it dosent make it best.

In the third bolding, we see you calling us stupid and lazy. Theres absolutely no proof in this. You think its a waste of space, DING DING! Opinion!

Those may be valid, that dosent make it better. The better of the two is someones opinion. They like one better, to the mits better.

Thanks buddy, shut the fuck up.

They both support the same ammount of html, if it doesn't look right in a browser other than IE, then the CODING is wrong, IE doesn't care if it's coded wrong, it does it anyways, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera etc. do what the code says.... well, there are some exceptions in things OUTSIDE of html (flash, java, php, etc. etc.)

Multiple reasons I find Firefox better than IE:
1) TABS
2) Not as many holes
3) Plug-ins, lots and lots of them..
4) Did I say tabs?
5) A not-lame google search bar
6) It's not supported by microsoft, and to be cool, I can't like anything from microsoft
7) And tabs.. I love tabs..

Two reasons I find IE better than Firefox:
1) It's required for "My Computer" and connecting to networked computers and such, which firefox can't do to well.
2) Every single website out there runs in it *near* flawlessly.

The only reason I prefer IE is because one time I tried Firefox (not recently so it may be changed) and when I closed the main window, all of my downloads closed. That was quite annoying and reason enough for me to say the hell with it. Although I don't like it, that doesn't mean that IE > Firefox. I'm sure it's got some bonuses but the benefits of either apply to different groups of people. So I guess I'm just saying stop forcing opinions on other people.


Make Love Not War...

This is true, but the trick is to open the download manager (ctrl+j) before closing the browser.. then it stays running.

Let's end this ignorance now, MysticalNinjaJesus and Spike.

You boys brought knives to my gunfight. Prepare the cannons!

All Linux and Mac users don't have messed up computers. You have messed up logic... Think before you make claims. Not everyone uses what you use.

Firefox has MANY features that IE can't even try to have. Having a cool "addon" program that blocks popups ineffectively is not that same as having IE block them by itself. Firefox downloaded is also only about 5 Megs. Most people keep an mp3 there in its place. Don't talk to me about wasted space if you have a single mp3 that you dislike enough to not listen to wasting away on the computer. It's not like it balloons to a CD size after that. With 300GB harddrives in existance and 20GB as a tiny harddrive, I promise you won't miss the 5MB.

I can't personally, but mattmeck could if he felt like abusing his power. Then again, there is no rule about being ignorant, just rude.

IE isn't the default, mnj. It's only the default for people who are to(sp) lazy/stupid to not take care of their computer. Install Linux and remove that Windows waste of space.

You just described a reason to not have IE. Linux is faster and superior! No opinion involved! Replace Windows and suddenly IE is not the default. No opinion involved at all: Mozilla is 100% faster on all Linux/BSD desktops. It moves infinitely faster. It supports more html, is faster, etc etc. Also, Mozilla actually supports html. IE doesn't, and therein lies the problem. If they would follow standards, there would be no problem, but because people deal with the inferior products that Microsoft provides, we hear this inane drivel on the internet about how it's better because it's what you use.

Mozilla > IE for all Linux users, hands-down. It's my belief that Mozilla is better in general for ALL operating systems.

Try getting IE to work in Linux. It's not user-friendly, the fonts are screwed up, and the general feel of it is wrong. It doesn't follow the desktop theme. Microsoft doesn't even support it! If you want it to work, it's hard as hell to get operating, and requires so much other crap to be installed and configured. How many of you have gotten Diablo to work in Linux? I have. Can I get IE to work? No damn way - it's all b0rxed!

Then try getting it to WORK in Linux or Microsoft or OSX. The only reason IE is faster in Windows is because it is necessary that it be running for you to open ANYTHING. So it comes pre-installed and pre-loaded in memory.

Reasons Mozilla is better (even on Winblows):
1. Tabs, of course. This should count as 3 or 4 reasons. Until Microsoft realizes how to do the middle-click window switch (if you know what I'm talking about, salutations Linux friend!) that we have in Linux, or multiple desktops or tabs, they will always have slower to operate and inferior products.

2. Integrated pop-up manager. This is not a pop-up stopper. It stops all pop-ups that come unrequested that are on websites that are not pre-established as safe websites. What does this mean? I get unrequested popups to log into my bank, and unrequested popups to take a quiz at my online class, but not porno or anything else. I trust my school's class.osu.edu, but not www.lycos.com.

3. Integrated userspace forms manager. Microsoft IE assumes that there is only one account using the internet on your computer because you didn't take the time to set up multiple accounts for you and your roommate. How is your info safe? It's not. Watch the bank info or your emu password autofill in stars. Mozilla has distinct usernames (at least for the suite - I don't use firefox).

4. Download manager. You forgot where you saved that last file or a file you got 3 days ago? Just open up the Mozilla download manager to locate file. It remembers you, so don't worry. That little complaint about how it didn't save stuff when you closed all the windows - the manager takes care of that now. The download manager is also only one window. What does this mean? If I'm downloading 50 files in IE, I have 50 damn windows. With 50 in mozilla, one window with all of that data. It saves so much trouble if you want to cancel a download.

5. Security. I never got a virus or spyware pre-installed without confirmation from Mozilla. Anyone else want to tell me that they did? I'd be interested to know. I loaded my windows partition and within an hour had to spend 3 hours removing spyware one-by-one by hand because they were so virulent and kept installing and reinstalling themselves as I removed them. Within 1 second, F5 was happy to inform me in RegEdit that the Windows/RUN directory (bootup stuff) had replenished 3 of the 8 spyware programs I had JUST deleted. Another second later, there were the other 8. They were all running as I tried to delete them. Forbes and USA Today expound upon how much safer Firefox is than IE.

6. Cross-platform. Mozilla is the same in Windows/Linux/Mac. In fact, it is possible to use the exact same configuration data from the folder in both Windows and Linux, so that you can keep your data intact. That's thanks in no part to Microsoft - accessible most easily from linux into Windows, not from Windows into linux. The main folder would have to be in a native Windows partition.

7. Themes. Mozilla has themes. Does IE? I don't think Microsoft makes it easy to do, if they exist.

8. Open-source. Can't beat the fact that the safety of the program is guaranteed by an offer of the code. If you don't trust the product, check the code which makes you uncomfortable.

All websites work except for ones where people are intolerant of free choice. If people would follow standards instead of using Microsoft products to butcher HTML codes, then every browser would be superior to IE. I even like lynx better than IE... I don't get spyware from the god-damned text version of the web.

Why is IE better? Ummm, because it's illegally (according to the Sherman Antitrust Act) installed without a choice and cannot be removed. Why is it illegal? Because it acts to maintain monopoly status of Microsoft (being a monopoly is legal - TRYING to stay a monopoly is illegal) in the browser and operating system market. Also according to antitrust laws, no two products can be linked (in order to use this, you must purchase this first, and no other way) like IE and Microsoft XXXX OS. IE should have been offered on many platforms to be legal, and giving it away free was illegal, and installing it without a choice was illegal... Monopolies can't act that way. Microsoft was a monopoly. They didn't even deny it when they first started this IE nonsense.

So it's better because it's illegally not a waste of space? IE IS THE WASTE OF SPACE!! Who would INTENTIONALLY pick IE over Mozilla? I riddle you that! If Mozilla were the most populous browser (which Netscape, its predecessor was until Microsoft broke the law), then all websites would follow the Mozilla/Netscape standard.

I can imagine MS now.

Take these wonderful "features"!
Spyware... Viruses... Cannot be removed... Free like Mozilla... No tabs, but we might put those in to copy them!... ummm... did we mention it can't be uninstalled?? It won't work with some websites that follow standards because we broke it, but we have tools that will break websites so that they'll only work with us. Is that cool??

Who would do that?

Can I get an amen from the choir??

I still use Netscape 7.1

I'd consider that a Mozilla vote, since much of the code is identical.

:-P

Firefox is faster than IE, has more features, and yes it actually does indeed support more web standards than IE does. My own analysis and every report I have read has shown Firefox to be superior to IE in every way possible except in enterprise situations of course. Saying that IE is the best browser for Winblows simply because it comes with it is a flat out ignorant statement. That is like saying that Winblows Media Player is the best MP3 player out there. :)

Advantages of lynx:

Totally text-based. Insanely fast browsing. Relatively simple to use. Can access lynx from a terminal to surf websites from another PC even if all other browsers on your computer are broken.

Totally secure... Nobody spends time hacking console browsers.

Lynx fits on a floppy drive.

Operating system independent if set up on a remote computer.

Disadvantages of lynx:

No graphics whatsoever.

Advantages of Galeon:

Comes pre-installed on gnome. It's the default!
Multi-platform

Disadvantages of Galeon

Missing features that Mozilla has, such as DL manager, passwords, etc.

Advantages of Konqueror:

Comes pre-installed on KDE. It's the default!
Multi-platform

Disadvantages of Konqueror:

Same as Galeon

Advantages of Opera:

VERY stable

Disadvantages of Opera:

Costs $.

Advantages (?) of IE:

Comes with Microsoft's OSes. Views websites as "normal", according to MS users.

Disadvantages of IE:

Prone to all sorts of security hazards. Cannot be uninstalled. Not as feature-rich as mozilla (missing tabs, assorted managers, etc.)

Amen my brother!

He wont respond again with anything thats argue worthy, between my post and yours hes owned.

Voting for firefox. sorry but as a webdesigner i've grown to hate IE. It's terrible about obeying standards and for this reason many sites that look great and are coded correctly look like shit on IE, until you perform certain hacks to make it look acceptable. Too many people put up with the shitty browser we need to spread the word, firefox is superior.

Scorp, you had it right first - those two just don't seem to grasp the argumentative logic that you blasted at them.

Firefox for the win!!

i read this whole thread and see no reason to download firefox. why would i install a second browser? its useless. waste of space. i already have one thats FASTER on windows, and can open websites i like to visit which firefox cannot. why would i install firefox? why would anyone? because there a tard who wants to be cool and anti M$. only reason i can think of. firefox has NO advantages exept making you feel leet. theres never any reason for a windows user to ever install it. its pointless. i know this one guy who uses firefox because his IE is so fucked up it wont even open. it crashs when you try. so i gave him firefox since he didnt want to format. thats really the only time firefox is usefull, when your an idiot and cannot take proper care of your computer. so someone tell me why installing firefox will be usefull or helpfull in ANY way.

Can you read? You obviously have not read the above posts, then. I am 100% certain that Firefox is faster than Internet Explorer. I have used both for a good amount of time and my experience with Firefox has been 10x better. Thats just ignorance at best. Again, you're just being ignorant. Why the hell do you think IE won't open? Duhh! Because IE is so fricked up the easiest adware and spyware is installed without your knowing.

-edit-
He's not an idiot because he didn't take care of his computer, he's an idiot because he didn't use firefox.

only if you suck at windows.

it says ie is faster on the mozilla website kthnx.

good idea, just say im being ignorant because you cant answer the question.
not accepting these statements as fact is ignorance

I doubt it will be useful or helpful at all to you. You have already decided that you have no use for it, so why bother asking others to argue how useful it might be?

Regardless of what browser you prefer, having a choice is always a good thing. It pushes for adding useful features and removing useless ones.

Arguing that IE is better because it's preinstalled is no argument at all. Go buy a new PC, lots of software is preinstalled that many people don't use.

Personally, I use Firefox in Linux, Windows, and OS X. I like having all my bookmarks synchronized on all three platforms. Also having them in a single file makes backups much simpler. I'm not saying IE is horrible because it doesn't use a single bookmark file, it's just one of the small things in Firefox that makes me enjoy using it more than IE.

Oh, and IE used to come with Macintosh OS X, but since 10.3 Safari has been the default browser which is based on KHTML (Konqueror from KDE).

The only fast thing about IE I saw on the mozilla site was this:

Maybe you should listen to your government, who urge you to not fuck up your Winblows.
View these websites to see why IE is unreliable, and why your friend can't load IE anymore.

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878 and http://secunia.com/advisories/12048/

Read on about arbitrary code. If you log in with only one account, this amounts to being (as we say in linux) rooted. You are 100% hacked, and fall victim to whatever mercy the party redirecting you (only in IE) may have.

These are awesome. Read this:

Secunia Advisory: SA12048 Print Advisory
Release Date: 2004-07-13
Last Update: 2004-10-20

Critical:
Extremely critical
Impact: Security Bypass
Spoofing
System access
Where: From remote
Solution Status: Partial Fix

Hmmm, system access, from remote, with spoofing? Being rooted!? OH NO! Partial fix? Thank god! Extremely critical? Sounds dangerous!

I get these in the mail at school unsolicited all the time. What does this mean? I fix my friends' computers all the time because they have Windows and because they have IE.

Why did people flame me right in the beginning of this post... i didnt even know this thread existed for a while...

Can we ban you for flaming?

I like coke, no i like sprite, why do you like coke and not sprite? cause coke tastes better to me....Nono Sprite is better you make no sence......



Come on people not everyone likes the same thing and never will everyone. If someone dont like IE because fo the way it smells there aloud to because they have that right, and if someone else hates all other brousers other then IE simply because there *diferent* then he can.

Its all about opinion and just because someone dont agree with you dont mean there stupid and you are right....

I don't care about sprite/coke/whatever. Claiming that sierra mist shouldn't exist because we have sprite would be silly

I'm just rebuking mnj's ignorant claim that IE is the best with some well-laid argumentative logic, and he's responding with more opinion. The fight is already over, but he keeps asking for more.

There is no spoon!

say that again?? why exactly cant you open your websites you like to visit in firefox?


Obviously you have no clue about web design or what goes into making a webpage bbum. If you did you would know the frustration involved with IE not being standards compliant, thus requiring you to do numerous unsupported "hacks" just to get the page to show up correctly in it. Then again maybe you do, just an fyi microsoft frontpage doesn't count as a web-design program.

AMEN!
Reading this whole post made me forget what I was going to say, but I agree anything but IE is good, because of IE security issues, its a pitty im stuck using win XP, I would however switch to linux in a heartbeat, if I knew for a fact every game I ever wanted to play would be compatable...

hell i'd rather use mac than Wndows...

i agree with the following people : Sotonin, a_Guest03, jammey97, Cisyouc, Scorpx725, Cavedude, irtehn00b, nanophr34k, eq_addict_08

IE is so exploitable you might as well bend over, pull your pants down and put a sign up on your ass saying insert here.

ps: don't you DARE tell me I do not understand how to take care of computers, I am a computer consultationist, I construct and maintain computer systems and networks, corporate as well as personal, the first step in securing any system is disabling IE for use from anything except the operating system!

thats great jaybocc.. but im still not about to go download and install firefox. i mean it would be totaly pointless. ie works fine, is suspoused to be faster than firefox on windows, and my computer is virus free.. installing firefox would just be a waste of time and hard drive space.

its pretty obvious that mystical guy is just acting like a hige retard just to get people angry. Probably easier to just ignore him so he can have any more fun pretending to be the most unintellegent person ever in existence. (and if he is actually retarded or something i feel like an ass)

yeah, ok lol.

Not to be stirring the fire, just trying to stop it before it gets out of hand. Are we really trying to force feed our opinions down each other's throats? It's impossible, you can't force someone to think like you. So stop fighting and have a simple debate about IE/Mozilla/Netscape/Opera/[insert your favorite browser here], not a flame war, so lets stop before it does or becomes incessant babble about how so-and-so's mom is the fattest.


Anyways, my point is, where are the facts supporting IE? I want to see a few things IE has over Firefox.

IE doesn't care how bad you code it still displays it.

Yeah if I go and download 3 antivirus antispyware programs I might catch 50% of the junk thats hacked through IE.

Link? Hmm. Yeah I thought so.

Are there people that DL firefox to be "l33t"? Probably. Am I proud of it? No. Do I give a care? No.

The fact is, Windows or Linux, the jury is out. Firefox is superior. If you don't accept to that fact then you sir, either really don't care, or are too lazy and would rather reformat later. (And it looks like from that picture that you did have to recently reformat.)

Well, all of you guys have gotten me to try Firefox for a day :) . Even though I'm on your 'side' mysticalninjajesus you have no brought up one good arguement against Firefox and yes, you can get rid of IE unless you are complete retard. Anywho, I'm downloading Firefox right now and I'll give it a shot.

Mrea...when I first tried Firefox I rarely used it because I always opened internet explorer out of habit. i suggest to really see if you like it delete (or move to a folder) your internet explorer icons and replace them with firefox. (ALL of them, even your quick launch bar)

IMO :)

I have been using Internet Explorer forever, and I barely EVER Get Spyware.

You wanna know the biggest reason people get spyware on their computers? Its because they go to porn sites, and other add-infested sites that they don't really need to be on. I'v been working in PC Repair for only 2 weeks, and I can't even tell you how many systems I have had to restore because of spyware, and the history only shows porn.

Porn may not be the only reason, I'm sure there are others.. But a lot of times its when you click yes on the plugin popups. Don't let other people use your computer if they don't know what they're doing, unless your watching closely.

Main Computer: Http://www.rogean.com/images/mdesktop.gif

Server: Http://www.rogean.com/images/sdesktop.gif