Guildwars Server Down - Discuss
 

Here are the last screenshots of Guildwars being up.

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After these screenshots were posted on the Guildwars forums the forums were all locked.


Discuss.

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I just wanna say its fucking bullshit that you guys closed down the server, many people donated hard erned money to the server. You cant just close it b/c a coupple faggots were being disrespectful. Devnoob, I kno there were alot of people saying shit, but come on its an online game, this isnt real life and besiede a coupple retards, alot of people really respected the work you and image put into the server. If anything, bring GW back for the donators, the people who supported the server, and filter out the jackasses that didnt appreciate it.

-Gambit

GW down to staff drama?

Who'd have thought.

People have donated some hard earned money to keep the server up, and according to the donation schedule they were paid THRU the end of May.

If you must close the server, especially on a petty issue like this, I think it's only appropriate that all persons who sent a donation for April or May get refunded.

Clearly they were disrespectful bitches who deserve nothing back.

My thoughts exactly.

On a side note, let me just say now that if this thread gets too roudy it will be locked.

Here's a link to my irc log. I was afk for the whole thing so I didn't know about this crap until this morning.

http://techrono.net/other/guildwars.txt

Disappointing to hear - I was really interested in how guildwars would shape up this time around, because it's a really good concept for a pvp server using eq mechanics.

ahahahahahahaha

refund
 

asking for a refund is silly...
I think the term donate...means just that....



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I want a refund from that bum I gave a dollar to... he didnt use it for food.
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If you donate to the Red Cross, would you be a-OK with them spending the money on booze?

Guild Wars was a perfect example of people who have great ideas, good programming skills and not enough PR savvy. It would have been a great server if those guys (Image/Dev) were the main design team but someone else actually ran the server.

Don't get me wrong, there were a lot of idiotic low-lifes that had absolutely no appreciation for the hard work that was put into creating and running the server- and that has got to be frustrating. But frankly, Image, but moreover Dev honestly, had some serious powertrip/ego issues and little to no patience.

Again, I respect the hard work and diligence that went into the server, but because of wide variety of ages and, uh, "mental capacities", of some of the player base, it takes a very mature, "non-ego-based" personality to keep the server up and running smoothly. Clearly, this wasn't the case here, as evidenced by the numerous times the server has been up and down and up and down again.

Great ideas, not enough management skill- but hey, not everyone is cut out for dealing with the fickle and often rancorous public. God knows, it's not an easy job.

About "donations"
 

"I think the term donate...means just that...."

You were right if this was actually a donation situation.
A donation to the law is the of giving to a fund or a cause; it's a gift, a grant. If you stick to that it does sound right for GW case.
However take a look at the definition of a contract and let's see the differences.
It is set of promises made by one party to another for the breach of which the law provides a remedy. The promise or promises may be express (either written or oral) or may be implied from circumstances.

In the case of GW, they were taking so-called "donations" and promising to keep the server up for "X" amount of time with it. But the main problem is that donators were actually getting advantages and services from it such as guildwars "donator" items. It was more like "We are taking donations for the month of may and for every X$ you get you will receive this".

Hence according to that mere fact, it is a contract and they have to either respect their engagement or refund the buyers. That's right they were buyers not donators because they did receive their share in the trade.

GW can't hide behind the laws there saying it was a "donation". Any company would offer you services for money down and call it a donation when they feel like dropping you. You can't call it a donation if there's an actual exchange/trade proper to this very donation. It's a contract *period*

Thank you

p.s. I did not donate I just wanted to set things straight and I don't really mind if they closed the server.

GuildWars closed yesterday, April 1st. Think about it ...

Edit: April 1st

Tax deduction.

On a side note, I am very sad to see GW down especially after such a limited amount of time. My only respectable job as a GM down the drain within a month's time.

:(

Unfortunately it was this morning at around 3 am or so. Its not a joke.

GW3.0 down and coined just like GW2.5...by devnoob

for anyone that didnt play on guildwars, you cant say shit about how we treat devnoob because you have no idea how he treats us

devnoob is the reason why the GW server has 1/5th the population of what it should have. He has a bad temper, doesnt know the rules (doesnt care either, if he thinks someone is doing something that he doesnt like he will ban, suspend, delete their points, delete their gear, or whatever he can think of that makes him smile). This forces image to to reverse whatever action devnoob takes time and time again.

People are reluctant to start on guildwars because they associate guildwars with devnoob instead of image, and that makes me very sadface:(

no one can rightfully defend devnoob in this case. i dare you to try

This is fucking ridiculous. Why in the hell would you guys close down a server because a couple people were talkin shit about you? As ADMINS and owners of the server you let a couple fuckers that could easily be banned destroy the game?

A couple people talk shit and you guys break down and turn off the server... Does that make ANY fuckin sense? Jesus christ don't be so sensitive, don't let jackasses get to you like that.

If a couple customers of Sony decided to talk shit and insult the CEOs do you think that Sony would EVER stop what they're doing or actually change anything because of a couple dipshits?

It doesn't make any sense guys, a simple ban would have rid those faggots from the server. If they're not grateful, why the fuck would you let them play on the server nonetheless shut down the server because of them.

No offense but you need to claim ownership of your goddamn server.

if you banned everyone that hated devnoob, the server would have 3 people and theyd have to close it down anyway

also, this is how GW2.5 ended. People called out devnoob on his retarded actions and he had a fit and destroyed the server. No one will miss him/it.

For a run down on the server and the events that lead up to the fall of the server visit:

www.guildwarsEQ.com

if you guys dont like the way the server was run, dont play there. devnoob never bothered me, and i enjoyed playing on GW except when the players there acted like dickheads. way to get the server shut down assholes.

Speaking as someone who has been around for a wile, the reason Guild Wars was / is going downhill is because of the players. I REFUSE to play on the server because of the players not because of the admins, it seams like GW has always attracted the bottom of the barrel player wise.

To put it bluntly, its not your server its there server and if they want to delete gear / points thats there right, if they want to permanatly ban anyone who creats a character with the letter "L" in there name thats there rght.

All the players who complain about how it is run and whats done should find a server thats run the way they want, not one person has ever been forced to play on any server so stop the drama and start a server and run it the way you want instead of complaining and acting like 4 year olds.


This isnt YOUR server, its not YOUR project, stop expecting stuff and be thankfull for what people are nice enough to spend time making, and if you dont like it FIND SOMEPLACE YOU DO LIKE! I dont know how many server have been shut down because the admin got sick of idiotic players.


EDIT And the next person to go off cursing will be banned from the forums till i feel like letting them back, I dont care who you think you are the forums have rules and keeping cursing down is a rule.

Well Mattmeck, unless I don't know something, they closed the server and dissapeared with $300.00 and some new hardware.

Ok so discuss that, not about everything you hated about it, if people hated it so much why did they play there?

This is exactly why I didn't donate and why I didn't put my time into leveling a character.

with all the time and money they put into this, i doubt they broke even with the donations they got. im sure they payed more than 300 out of pocket to maintain the server.

Mattmeck generally summed up my feelings.

I played on GuildWars, but honestly, the amount of little farts running around thinking they were "leet" turned me away very quickly. I quit at lvl 30, not surprisingly, as that was the lvl I was forced to join 1 of a couple guilds, all run by power hungry losers.

I promptly moved back to good ol' PEQ, sure the population may not be what it used to be, but just about every person I've met on that server has been helpful and considerate... Something almost unheard of on the GW server.

All in all, what do I have to say about the death of GW? Meh.

The fact that it's their right to do so doesn't make it a non-assholish thing to do. It's my right to refuse to give first aid supplies to a guy who's bleeding out, but jesus would I be an ass.

A person who would delete a players' time invested for no other reason than that they felt like it shouldn't even be entrusted to staff an ant farm, and certainly not a server that makes any claims to be more than "joes non-legit kill teh quarm!".

"Like it or leave it" is a terrifyingly bad argument as well, you can like something without enjoying every aspect of it. If I hate olives, but have to eat them in order to eat steak, I'll still eat steak because steak rules, but I'd much rather be without the olives.

(And yes I know that was a lot of metaphores)

Guildwars was paid through until the end of may via donations. Image says it costs something like 174 a month to keep the server up

so yes, they just made over $300 in donations that will not be going towards the server. Thanks for not knowing what your talking about.

Also, "matt", your absolutely right. They can do whatever they want with their server, and they have. That is why they crashed and burned for a second time, because they do whatever they want which pisses all the players off. Each iteration of guildwars has less and less people because of it.

I played there because its free and its fun. I have fun pvping people in classic eq. I am also allowed to be critical of anyone i want. If they dont like me, they can ban me (and they have). However, when 90% of the players are critical of them, that is when the server dies. That is what happened last night. They cant ban everyone for disagreeing. At some point they need to just realize they are a failed team and a failed project and their players are never comnig back. Time to close down the shop.

Learning when to listen and when not to listen to players is very important. At the very least a server admin should always take some time to hear the complaints, even if they disagree with them. No admin or dev team is perfect, and there is always room for improvement. If you listen to players about the little problems and fix them, it will also encourage the players to help you with the big problems.

Really, in the end, everyone wins from listening, just as long as you don't confuse "listening" with "agreeing". ;)

They asked for advice and many players gave them good advice. If you actually take the time to read the suggestions you'll notice that <Jihad>, the ones affected the most by a server wipe, were advocating it for the sake of balance ALONG WITH ideas that would make it harder and harder for power-guilds, including <Jihad>, to maintain a huge lead. Why? Because <Jihad> *gasp* liked the server, why the hell else would they (myself included) dump so much time into it?

Of course devn00b/Image showed how mature they were by calling the playerbase "13 year olds" then storming around and shutting the server down in an uncontrollable fit of "maturity", right?

Asking for advice does not equate actually listening to the advice. My experience with devn00b and image tells me that if the advice given them isn't exactly what they want to hear they will disregard it and/or get angry. Especially if it points out that they did something wrong.

No matter who was truly at fault.

It's over.




On a side-note...

Did anyone ever have a serious problem with me?

That's true. One time pre-wipe a zone was completely bugged and devn00b (I believe it was dev, may've been Image) banned a character (Synara) for cheating because their code was "flawless"

Naturally it was later discovered that the zone was, indeed, screwed up.

And as for you Sobe, I think you're the one that said OOC would be much quieter or calmer or something once I was banned. That along with devn00b laughing heartily at forged PvP encounters (apparently jihad was owned hardcore PvP about the same time I was banned pre-wipe, although I was there and it didn't happen) made people very leery of any GM on the server same Alyrius/Aquelin, whom were bitched out by devn00b for doing their jobs.

Actually it does matter who was at fault since people seem to be blaming the playerbase, Jihad inparticular, for events out of their control i.e. devn00b's menstrual cycle and Image's bipolar personality.

I don't recall saying that anyone should be banned...

Hell, I didn't even say that Method should have been banned for the AFK deal in Freeport.

But hey, I could be wrong =/

Considering method's AFK spot was LEGAL since people, including myself, had specifically asked Image that's a moot point.

Sorry if I wrongfully accused you though.

take away the $ issue and this reminds me of GW 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5.......

Click search, then type in "guild wars", stuff from early 2002 in the archives, wish the GW forums would have been backed up from then. All these issues were issues in every version of GW to ever come out. And if it ever comes back will be issues then too IMO.