I must say this...
 

DISCLAIMER: Let me start by saying that I have nothing but respect for the developers of this Emulator. I know they have put countless hours into its creation, and into making it something fun and enjoyable, and I thank them. Also, I am in no way seeking to start a debate or argument or anything of the sort. I bear no ill-will towards anyone, regardless of what their opinion is and whether it conflicts with mine. Please don

I must say DAMN how long did it take to type this?
Any way i agree and thats why i have my own server becuase i dont like people messing it all up for me

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it probably didn't take him/her to wright that. if they are good with typing. oh and WELL SPOKEN!!! :shock:

I must say I agree with the author of this post.
I go to the Emu to mess around with different characters, spells, weapons, etc. I also go to roam around in areas that I've never been to or plan to go to in EQLive. My Interest is the non-legit servers. I respect those who want to play legit, it's just not what I'm here for. I played for hours of Forever Hacking last night, and had a blast. That's probably the first time I've played this game (EQLive included) in a long time. I was able to learn about all kinds of different things I may never even see on the EQLive server.
Ok, my 2 cents. Sorry.

It's been said - it's been done. Let there be love between the two groups. Legit/illegit, let the servers make the choice. Users clamoring over the difference won't change a thing. Let's stop talking about it, and just let the servers decide. Illegit, if I understand correctly, there is a shortage of servers for you. Just find another illegit player with a desire to start a server and *POW!* problem solved.[/b]

The nonlegit users need to keep in mind that many of us no longer maintain eqLive accounts anymore, so having legit servers to us is a matter of gameplay, not just exploration. I understand why an eqLive player would be interested in using eqemu as a exploration tool/goofing off application, but thats not the entire community. In fact, from what I have seen, the widespread vote from the eqemu users is that they would like to see more Legitimate servers being formed and kept up. The potential is vast for new and exciting content, dynamic gameplay, fun quests, and a million other things. Personally, I dont see the point in having more than a handfull of nonLegit servers out there, in my mind, one would be just as good as the other, you can do the same thing everywhere.

Not putting down the server type, but I think the misunderstanding is that live players have the live servers for legitimate gameplay, but not everyone does. I gave up my eqLive account a year ago as it was entirely too much of a resource hog in my life..

I can understand the desire for both types, but in the end, it's up to the users to make the servers, if our idea was to make all servers legit, we would remove the ability to perform nonlegit functionality.

Personally, speaking as a dev, we don't care. We will only care if a user comes to the forums because he is dissatisfied with the way people have decided to do things on their own and begins to flame members of the community.. We just code it, we dont care how you play it, just enjoy it, and be respectful on the forums.

Also, I disagree with using GREEN servers as Legitimate or production level servers. In my mind, green should designate a DEVELOPMENT server, and one that is prone to bugs and bounces.
I put my server up all the time and forget to lock it to have people logging in, then I feel guilty when I have to bounce them off to put a new build up...lol..
I think we need to specify I new server type by color on the select screen that represents PERSISTANT/LEGIT gameworlds..... Hmm.. Might be something good to investigate with Hogie and the guys...

Debate is the foundation of democracy. I don't agree with these back-country people who don't like to see posts they can't get involved in because they don't know how type correctly.

On the subject here, I agree with both sides of this debate. There will always be people who find enjoyment out of being "uber-l33t" without too much effort. And there are people who are looking for the kind of game they left on EQLive and can't get back to (or don't want to get back to). Most emulator teams know that and cater to both sides, and the EQEmu team is no different. People just need to lighten up and have fun. This is a game, after all.

As for cheaters, well, they're on every EMU, hopefully the project can overcome the flaws they abuse.

Yay, i learned a new word form - "bigotous". is that the right spelling? doesn't look right for some reason.

Well, according to Microsoft Word, 'bigitous' isn't actually a word at all, so I guess that would make it spelled wrong, heheh.

But thanks for the feedback, people. My whole point in writing this was the hope that people could get along and be respectfull to one another.. I have seen many a great emulator project go to peices because the developers got sick of all the flaming, arguing, and whatnot that people engaged in, and I'd hate to see that happen here.

And as far as I am concerned, a single, dedicated, stable non-legit server would be just fine. ^^ For now, ForeverHacking is where I will be.

(Oh, it took me about 15 minutes to write/proofread that... wanted to make sure I didn't sound like a complete idiot.)

It's bigoted, adjectival form of the noun bigot.

Legit Servers Suck will be back up on monday cuz i went on vacation. So you can get all your non legit needs in 1 place :P .


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Neuc,
Legit Servers Suck Server OP

hmmm
 

In my opinion there is more than the two types of server .. Legit and non legit .. there is also "Different" Servers, they might be legit and unlegit at the same time and offer something else than the original EQ ( as in customised Gameplay ).. But thats just how I see it. Anybody else see it that way ?

TheOne,

I'm toying with the idea of making a 'legit' server but, the gameplay is accelerated by a factor of 3 or 4; experience, health and mana regeneration are all sped up.
Also, Most Mobs would drop thier rares everytime; no more round the clock camping for an item.

Thats the way it should be in my mind.. One of the BIG problems everyone has is the progression rate and forcing you to camp.. Why would anyone want to replicate that??

It should take you less than a month of CASUAL gameplay to hit 50. Me and a friend played casually, and after 6 months we were around 30.... Thats when my warrior had to start grouping or else sit on his ass for 15 minutes at a time after every battle healing and I said screw it and started a druid... I hated having a pure caster as I've always been a melee type man, but it was alot better option for me (yes i could have done a paladin or ranger and had less downtime, I just like BASHING the crap outta things with a barbarian warrior...LOL)

In the end I ended up really enjoying the druid

As with my server
 

Aye, my server is a "Different" one, You can unlegit level to 60 but You will get a PvP tag to let others know it. It will be a Questing server, both Server quests and Dynamic Events, I plan to make a few Dynamic events every day based on a fix storyline... I think it's the whole point of having a MMORPG. Of course you need to be able to do something else when there are no Quests, so Yes mobs will drop items but way better items, ie : Najena's Dark elves may drop Teir'dal armor, Skeletons will drop Acrylia Plate, etc... Just my vision of the perfect World.exe ( <- Joke there ) :P


- Darogar

well what i think
 

what i think about all this is an easy way to make it work for all. its alot like others said. you have people that used to love eqlive. but cant affored it so this is there free way. so they have there legit serers and if you dont want to play legit then dont go into them servers. and then for the others that want to explore we got servers for them that arnt legit. that way everyone is happy :P works for me

So, all that being said, I think we need to add a new class of server types. There are the 'Legit', 'Non-Legit' and Accelerated type of servers.
My Definitions of each are as follows:

1. Legit = A server that tries to emulate EQ Live servers in most respects and does not allow use of GM commands by regular players.

2. Non-Legit = A server that allows the use of GM commands by regular users and may or may not emulate features of the EQ Live servers.

3. Accelerated = A server that emulates many of the features of the EQ Live servers but at an accelerated pace and does not allow the use of GM commands.

I am using the broadest definitions I can here. :)

You know, I hadn't even thought about accelerated servers. Now that would be a lot of fun. I think I'd go for that, if there were a stable one up. Or, more importantly, if I could connect to the Emu without so much difficulty. That'd be the ultimate use for an emulator... fixing all the problems that make EQLive so bloody annoying.

PVP?

GuildWar?

Evertorn I guess you could say will be an accelerated server. We'll have "mysticals" that will buff folks at the newbie levels, then as you advance there will be runes that you turn in for various things like exp and potions. The higher level the rune the better exp reward it gives, and the better potions you have access to.

People have been fairly happy with the progress so far in the beta, I think some folks are already in their 20s after a few hours exping from scratch.

So while it's nothing like being twinked or having summon item commands, it's much more enjoyable and fast paced as compared to EverQuest.

personally, I like the idea of legit servers, but in it's current state the Emu can't really support a fully legit server, until the loot code can be fixed and the pathing for wandering mobs goes live. I'd play on a legit server, excepr for the fact that I already went through the painstaking process of bringing my characters on live up to their current levels (56 Warrior and 57 Cleric with Epic respectively) if there was a way to transfer them into a legit server on the Emu, I'd be more than happy to play on a legit server, but as it stands I'm not really keen on rebuilding those characters from scratch espescially with the status of the loot table.

If you want to play legit, play legit, if you want non-legit play go to a non-legit server and stop ruining play for everyone on legit servers by using exploits to get the servers locked.

-Saint or Sinner.......

Erm, loot works perfectly for me. Not sure what problems folks are having, but I'd assume it's a database problem - not code.

The possibilities are not limited by legit or non-legit, that is too narrow in scope.
what the Devs have made possible here, is the ability to make any kind of world we can imagine.

Perhaps in the future of the project, it will be possible to create new levels, textures, and models. When that happens, we will be limited only by our imaginations.

:D

hell yeah
 

hell yeah man thats what im talking about