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Originally Posted by Melwin
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Originally Posted by m0oni9
and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
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Not to rephrase it, but I interpret it as securing blessings, which come as a consequence of liberty. The question seems more to be: what is a blessing? It again falls to interpretation. Who will decide on an interpretation, if not the majority? Either laws should or should not be controlled by the majority. It can't be both ways. If you disagree with a decision, argue to the majority, rather than isolating the minority.
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Originally Posted by Draupner
imo it says and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, as long as you aren't gay, a woman, or some other group we hate.
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Just so we're in the clear, I hate all gays, women, blacks, and jews. I hope to eventually die alone.
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
We the People of the GOP,
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We the Liberals of the United States, in Order to prove ourselves Correct, establish a divisive Bandwagon, insure an arrogant Society, provide a Lack of foresight, promote action in spite of Consequence, and secure our Notions by agreeing with each other, do ordain and establish this Egocentric Constitution for the United States of America.
When you don't like what someone says, just misrepresent it.
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
What one does in their private lives does not effect anyone else.
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Until we agree on this, we probably won't agree on much else. It's a false premise, as far as I'm concerned, so anything based on it is in question. But I continue on..
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
So gays can get married. That gonna turn your straight child gay. No.
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Did I say it would? No. See above. If a child watches me pee out in my front yard, does it mean they will do the same? No. Does it have an affect on them? Note that this does not imply that every action affects society. That is not determinable.
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
SHeltering people from having to make moral decisions does not make them a more moral person. I believe the bible states that the thought of sin is just as sinful as the act.
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It does not
make them a moral person, definitely. Does teaching your children values, and providing for them a good example, influence them to become a "better" person? Why is there so much violence in the Middle East? Does it have anything to do with the child's parents or society?
The second statement is more or less correct, but I don't see what it has to do with anything. (I am guessing that you are referring to Matt. 5:28.) But since you are mentioning the Bible, it does have evidence of homosexuality (read Sodom and Gomorrah).
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
Your god (by your) beliefs gave you free will.
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I don't know how you know my beliefs. Personally, I support determinism. I am not sure that free will (choice not determined by prior causes) exists at all.
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
The first lesson we ever learned in existance was if you say "no" people are gonna do it, just to see why...
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That sounds like a cop out to avoid responsibility. The truth of the statement depends greatly on consequences (operant conditioning, for example).
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Originally Posted by eq_addict_08
And, on your second paragraph; I may be an idealist but I would marry for love, not sex. Your view only sees the sex act, (and imo is discusted by it) and not the love.
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What you are saying: if a man and woman marry, but a man and a man cannot, then the only factor in marriage is sex. May I say that your view of love being the only factor in marriage is based entirely on selfishness? Both are probably just as valid. By the way, I never said my view was to marry for sex only or love only.
I am taking off. Sorry for such a lengthy post. Have a good weekend, guys. You have given me some things to consider, and I appreciate it.