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Originally Posted by Cantus
Trevius and Chaos have some awesome ideas.
Maybe I'm just "corrupted" by happily playing for so long on PEQ The Grand Creation (a server that strives to be as legit and Live-like as possible), but I tend to think that the primary goal of the EQEmu engine should be to duplicate Live's way of doing things as much as possible... even if we occasionally think that Live's way of doing things isn't the best way!
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well thats where I whole heartly disagree.
I don't see any point to blindly follow SOE footsteps. Over years SOE has altered so many things in the game - how can anything posibly qualify as "cannon" ? And SOE WILL keep changign things, and what you today belive is "live-like" tomorrow will not exist.
Why you insist not only mimicing EQ1 features, but its FLAWS?
And whats even worse- hard coding these flaws into server code. So it would be harder to undo them when one day SOE turns around and implement something what today Cavedude likes so much to call "not LIVE-like" - tomorrow will be "LIVE_like" and you guys will then need to recoded the whole server cuase SOE had a change of heart?
Don't find this.. umm ridiculus at best?
You code a server in such way so it can be tunned to support ANYTHING.
Not to mention a EVRY important part- why do all these people are here at Emu? Do all of them so poor they can't afford $15 a month for stable top of the line tech OFFICIAL server?
I very much doubt that- they here cuase they TIRED of eq1 "full time job" apparoach - they don't realy want LIVE-like things- they simply want to see what they never would on LIVE cuase of difculty of the game and move on.
Not even PEQ is LIVE-like, starting from the fact that it shoudl be imposible to solo anything, up to the poitn there is no freaken way on LIVE you can kill NTOV dragons in Velious gear with 20 people. Yeah I know the emu simply cannto suport 70+ peopel raids - the zone will crash - so raids were tuned down.. But wait- thats not live-like! So we had no problem ALTERING the Grand Vision when suited us. Even if emu COULD support 100+ people in a zone and run flawlessly - you REALY think there would have been 70+ people raids on PEQ when server population around 150 men total and MOST of then are casual solo players? Whats LIVE-like about that? Absolutly nothing
You also need to realise that MAJORITY of players DO NOT play on PEQ - they sick and tired of all those "cannon" things back when then played on LIVE. They play on CUSTOM servers, and its the custom servers that last the longest (exept of course PEQ which is the base server for the project).
Take SoD/Winters Roar - they count what - 600+ players? Yes they doign it illigaly, but heck its an EQ emulator nevertheless with CUSTOM content- and they have 3 times more people than "wanna-be-cannon" PEQ alone.
This should tell you what people REALY expect from an Emulator.
Why emu software is even open for download? Why not just stop giving it out, and only have PEQ which is dumped down eq-live.
NO, the IDEA was that EVERYONE can run their CUSTOM server and change thigns the way they want.
the idea NOT to mimic live and all ist flaws- the idea to make YOUR OWN EverQuest - and to do that all the "live-like cannon" attitude needs to be thrown out the window - cuase it will KILL the project.
To me Emulator is a bunch of assembly blocks - what I make out of it does not have to be in anyway resemble eq-LIVE. So it does to MOST players and private server devs here. They simply not interested in "excatly how it was on live" specialy it was broken and flawed like hell.
Some people simply do not understand or have own creative potential to develope game content - thats why they keep copying what SOE did.
Don't be like LIVE - be BETTER.
And thats why you WANT a HIGHLY customizeable server structure, then you can set few variable and turn everquest into doom or anything else if you realy want to.
Whiel I admire Cavedude dedication, I cannot agree with his "vision" of copying down SOE "vision", and every single "custom" sugestions is treated like unholy blachemy (ok true, there are CRAP LOAD OF custom features allready that were coded by the devs which allow GREAT customization, and I am TRULY thankfull for it, but the iron grip attitude realy needs to be reviewed)
The goal should be cretaing server engine so FLEXIABLE that it can be fien tune to do ANYTHING on the fly (which includes btw mimicing EQ-LIVE)
Creating such ultra-flexiable engine as much benefit to hard core fans as to custom content people, cuase again- you gives GREAT deal of control over the server, cuase as I allreday said before- tomorrow SOE gona turn aroudn and chance soemthign in the game which for years was "will never happen" (yeah like I never heard that song before sicne 1999) , and guys will have to - re-hard-code the server again, and again and again.
WHy would you want to do that?