Hi everyone, and thank you for your coments.
First of all let me say that my last post was in no way an attack specificly on the DMGB code submited or Cantus or renoofturks1 - we just kind of got sidetracked on a topic of general Emu direction and it just happens to be inside this thread.
I have outmost respect for the people who find time to make contribution to the project specialy in a way of writign actual code (if we all just sit and agrue about ideas - we won't achive much
). Just like So_1337 stated, it pains me that I cannot contribute time to write an actual code, and only stick to "coming up with ideas", which may or may not be very suiteable for the main goal of the project.
In no way you guys should drop what you doing and start accomidating me, cuase god knows I have no power over you, and project great before I ever showed up, and most likely will do great if I am to go away. All I have is an opportunity to make a sugestion, and well, atempt to persuade you a little bit
I also would like to appologize to Cavedude (since his name was mentioned by me) for been harsh or perhaps even rude. If I would be in his shoes, and after years of working on MY project someone would come along and start saying "you doing it all wrong" -I would get prety mad. In no way my last post was telling Cavedude how to run his server and what direction PEQ should take. My coments were more of general view of future of Emulator server code at its core
We can consider this discussion prety much over, since everyone has made their point of view very clear (at least at this point), and there is no point for me to continue state the same things over and over again (at least at this time and in this manner )
I do however want to highlight just a few detail on Trev's post, to point out a few details.
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Yes, some people do play the emulator for the customized servers. But some do play because it is free instead of the high prices that SoE charges. Sure, 15$ a month isn't bad, but for some people, that is a lot. Also, some prefer to box multiple characters at once and multiplying that 15$ a month can add up VERY quickly. Some people also play because they are sick of the direction EQLive is going, but they still like EQ itself. Some just want certain PVP types, some want only classic, or maybe kunark, and some want other special rulesets that just aren't available on EQLive. So, there are many reasons to play the emulator other than just for custom servers. If you look at some of the general post from new members, many of them ask for recommendations for non-custom servers that are classic, or up to a certain expansion. So, there is definitely a need that PEQ is filling and I fully respect them for that and think that you should do the same.
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The question we should ask ourselves, what is CLASSIC CANNON EVERQUEST?
EQ in first 3 month of release? EQ before Kunark? EQ before Luclin? EQ before PoP? The list just goes on.
Whats important to note that during its history EQ changed so many times SPECIFICLY in core of game mechnics, and thats at any given point of time (specialy when any new expansion came out) it was not the same as it was before.
Trev you said "some people left eq cuase they did not like where SOE was going". This statement is the core contradiction in itself, cuase as I said above- what is TRUE CANNON EVERQUEST? Where do you draw a line- what is CANNON, when is keeps continusly changing?
Even among strongest hard core EQ suporters we have people who do not recognize everquest beyond certain expansion as "pure cannon eq".
And important question to ask here - where does Emu/PEQ team draws a line?
Even going back on DMGB original topic - the damage bonus only appeared when? Somewhere after velious? thats can hardly be qualified as "classic".
While I am no fan of original vanila eq (and I truly belive that with years EQ core mechnics were geting BETTER and BETTER, cuase it become less and less ridiculusly hard core raid oriented, it just after 9 years MOST people eventualy got bored playing the same game and left anyway), I want to point out that there are NO TRUE DEFENITION of what is CANNON EQ is.
The DMGB did not existed before PoP era- isn't its implementation a violation of "eq spirit" ? What about quest journal recently implemented? There was no such thing in game during Kunark. Why zerker and beastlord classes are even playable? And list of "what was then" and "what is now" can go on and on.
And when PEQ team (and all who support them) say they want to stay true to original EQ - they only realy staying to true to Titanium expansion in specific.
The MAIN point I was trying to make is not "lets drop everything and do what Chaos tell you to" BUT: You CANNOT posibly have a TRUE LEGIT CANNON Everquest Emulator cuase the word CANNON when applied to EQ is a contradiction in itself.
And what TODAy you see as "LIVE-like" tomorrow will be taken by SOE and turned 180 degrees around and what you goign to do then? Follow SOE lead or "stay true" ? Either way you go you will be going either: against classic or againts "official CURRENT cannon". And you will be in either case
Some time from now ( I hope so) Emulator will move on to next retail bundle package and sudenly discover that a good chunk of "cannon" things no longer apply. Ranger going to get feign death and Wizard will get pickpoket- what you guys going to do? Code it in? In violation of all that "true classic everquest" stands for?
So once again - where do you draw a line "what is true cannon everquest"?
My answer is that: there is no such line. Everquets is like horizont- the more you move towards it- the more it moves away from you. The more PEQ team tries to "chase LIVE" the more it moves away from "original EQ". There is no way around that
The final thing i like to poitn out, that when I make a sugetsion that something should be implemented diffirently, it does not mean I am saying - "rewrite entire combat mechnics, so CHA can proc fear" - I am saying implement code in such way so its FLEXIABLE enough to be fine tuned at later time wihout having to rewite it at its core.
the Emu (IMHO) should not encompass only what "is classic" or "whats is current", but on ALL WHAT CAN POSIBLY BE
Thanks everyone