yes, i read the entire thing. twice. i got very little out of it, just a lot of immature name calling and accusations i've grown to expect from legit server advocates here.

QUOTE:I'll start off by saying that supporting non-legit play would be better served by hosting a server or supporting them directly in some way. Coming on and stirring up shit with the legit players doesn't support non-legit play in any way. So I'll take the rest of this drabble as flaming

as far as i know i'm not stirring up any "shit" as you call it. and by dismissing my post as flaming before you even read it, well why even try to argue with you? you clearly don't care what i think, nothing will make you understand my point of view, and nothing short of the project dieing will make you understand my concerns.

QUOTE: You don't see players wanting legit play getting on non-legit servers and moaning about the ability to #level and #summon and all

this is entirely false. that happens all the time. ALL the time. but you wouldn't know, since you clearly can't stand non legit servers.

QUOTE: Bugs in EQEmu are being fixed constantly, so I really don't see where your argument lies here

my arguement lies in the absolute absurdity of considering "legitimate" play with all the bugs currently in the emulator. There are far more bugs in it even now than EQLive when it was in the earliest Alpha. I promise you, "legit" players are going to get mighty sick of trying to go into zones the server isn't currently hosting, and having to wait hours (if not days) for someone with the proper status to kick them.


QUOTE: Some of us LIKE that time period of Live and can't get it anymore...even if we wanted to go to Live to enjoy pure legit play. I bet you never thought of this huh?

yeah, i thought of it, and i think it's a terrific idea. just too bad you can still play beastlords tho, but i bet you never thought of this, huh? too bad the luclin retextures were still there, but i bet you never thought of this, huh? too bad zones like stonebrunt and the warrens were there, except....oh that's right, they didn't go live until, what, after velious? but i bet you never thought of this, huh?

QUOTE: You're on some holier than thou crusade to piss on our enjoyment of the system.

no, i'm trying to open your eyes about how much this move toward legitimate play is going to piss on your enjoyment of the system.

QUOTE: all you're good for is coming here and bitching and moaning. That makes you pretty worthless in most people's eyes..including mine

you're certainly entitled to your opinion. why then are players sending me tells in game sharing my concerns? even on your precious legit servers.......

QUOTE: In fact the only reason I'm doing this is to hopefully give you a clue that some of us like legit for a reason and we don't have to explain ourselves to the like of you.

you don't have to explain to me......I ALREADY KNOW, and as i've said before, i understand. and if the EMU worked like the game, i would be right there with you playing on a legit server. but it doesn't. and despite what you may have heard or read or been promised, it won't anytime soon. EQEmu is an EMULATOR.....i can't stress that enough.

QUOTE: I do KNOW though that the evidence favors more LEGIT players as the supply and demand would indicate that.

the evidence being the inner circle of folks who frequently post on these boards (those same posters that have flamed me from the beginning no less). and since i started on about this, more and more anti legit players are speaking out.

QUOTE: Do you even help with the development of a server or the code at ALL?!? These people have lives you know..and it has been a huge task just to get to where we are now. Some of these folks have sacrificed thousands of man hours and dollars to bring this to us. They can't just fix things on a whim sometime. They have families, lives, jobs to attend to as well. Ungrateful ass! (remember, I deduced that your post was a flame, so I reserve the right to call you names )

then what gives them the right to start laying down rules and restrictions on a free server? oh that's right, because it's free, and because it's their server, and they can do anything they want. and just because you agree with it,,,,,,does that still make it right?

QUOTE:
GW has plenty of mobs and loot tables. Where did you look? Get your head out of your ass and maybe you'd see. Also, there were quite a few people leveling up legitimately using no bugs or exploits..even to level 50. I'm not saying there aren't any bugs out there...but sometimes you just have to alter things a bit to enjoy them without the bugs. Yes there is usually a way to work around any bug currently.

well first of all, my head is no where near my ass.....
second, sure there's way around bugs......it's called #level......it's called #summonitem 911.........it's called using whatever means necessary to get around the bugs.................yet you would still call it legit play.........and after those are gone, how are you going to work around those bugs?

QUOTE: I'll move on to the end now and ignore most of the rest of your idiocy..since it bears no meaning towards my issue here. Again, you have a holier than thou attitude:

if i have an attitude at all it's a "you're making a huge mistake" attitude.......

QUOTE: I don't enjoy the thousands of people competing over loot. IMHO a server is best with about a 50-75 playerbase. So, you're statement again, is false unimformed. You're making ASSumptions.

the only assumptions i see here are coming from you. also, it looks like no matter how this turns out you may come out on top, since you don't like a large player base. I feel confident in saying once legit play becomes standard, you certainly won't have to worry about large amounts of players competing for loot. but then again, what happens if there aren't enough to even make a group?..........the player base is small enough as it is. what you're looking at is a scenaio where you won't even have enough to handle Solb......

QUOTE: Honestly, noone really cares what you think...and I just wanted to stand up for what I believe in...not to come here and bring you down (although you must be smoking something..so come down please).


no, i'm not smoking anything. and you should be reminded that what YOU believe doesn't reflect what everyone else believes. I do respect legit players, something i haven't seen reciprocated from said legit players to non legit players.

QUOTE : It is possible to have a purely legit server...maybe not totally bug free..but Verant can't even lay claim to that either.

at least in Verant's world one can expect to still have access to the character they've worked many days/weeks/months/years to level. no such security exists on the emulator. and i'm not naive enough to expect a bug free world...........but right now we're looking at a bug-INFESTED world........

QUOTE: If you're not having fun...how is this my fault? Don't take your non-fun-having 5 year old attitude out on us...it's really quite pointless.

now who again has the five year old attitude?.......it's more than clear you're dead set in your opinions and views, and nothing anyone can say would even make you think about the other point of view. your lack of tolerance tho, is discouraging, and discouragingly similar among the majority of pro legit players. again, i have nothing against legit players; i would be among your ranks if i felt like it were worth my time and effort. it is not. and i'm afraid you will soon learn this for yourself.

i have a very very bad feeling that the days of EQEmu are numbered. it may still exist in name, but the spirit will soon be gone. pro legits debunk me when i say that legit play will destroy the fan base; that once people realize that they're getting a shoddy attempt at EQlive they'll split.

and, as always, the question "why encourage legitimate play when at the present time it is impossible to play legitimately?" is conveniently left unanswered, or responded to with a flame.