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Originally Posted by /dev/n00b
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Originally Posted by Eglin
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Originally Posted by sdabbs
thats just to funny.....
wtf was he thinking...
thats like asking guildwars for there databse hahahaha.....
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how is that moronic? he happens to know me well enough to know that there is no way in hell that i would release my database. Only 3 people have the real db. his comment stands. and you just mad an ass of yerself. grats. |
It is moronic because he was ridiculing the original poster for what was a reasonable request, formulated in a reasonable fashion.
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It is a reasonable request. When I get back on broadband, I will write an opensource login server (if I still have any interest in eq/eqemu). I don't see any reason for withholding the source to it, and I think that all of the reasons I've seen so far are just retarded.
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and who are you to sit and judge? you did some nice work with perl scripting, i'll give you that. but to sit and call the rules retarded because it doesnt benifit you or the others is moronic. you dont like it? make yer own please.
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That is exactly the kind of attitude that made me feel like posting in the first place. My contributions to the project have nothing to do with my ability to gauge poor policy decisions on the behalf of the dev team. I mistakenly hoped that they would, however, lend my opinions a fair hearing. You think the decision to withhold source is the right one? Fine! _I_ have read all the posts on the matter, and _I_ have never heard a reason that I consider to be worthy. _That_ is what makes me worthy to "sit and judge." Do I have to be a member of the KKK to judge the clan's behavior? Duh! And as far as the crap about "make yer own" that is always bantered around every time this issue is brought up, I just might. I certainly _can_.
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I remember reading in Mirth's RE post that he could already generate packets when trying to figure out the format... that probably means that the login server was derived by reverse engineering the dll that ships (shipped?) with ethernalquest. That is probably where I'd start, at least (or did SEQ hack the login sequence, too?). Whatever the case, duplicating minilogin-level functionality would probably not be too hard.
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Please dont post things you have nfi what you are speaking of. The above text is incorrect 100%.
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How so? Mirth _does_ state that he could generate packets. It is clear from the context that it is just my suspicion that he used hq or something to re the code. What's the problem here?
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Okay loginserver is closed source, is now always will be. We dont owe anyone an explanation as to why its guarded it just is. dont like it feel free not to use eqemu.
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What makes you think that I want or need a single thing from you? Where in my post did I ever suggest that I expected anyone to open up the source to their login servers? Quite the contrary, I stated that I was considering writing my own. And as far as your suggestion to "feel free not to use eqemu," I think it would make a lot more sense for me to just do it my way with the gpl portions of the code. See... that's the beauty of the GPL. If you don't like something and can't compromise with the devs, you can always give them the finger and fork development. I'm not saying that I want to necessarily give anyone the finger, but I _do_ want to point out that repeatedly spewing that "don't like it, don't use it" attitude doesn't hold much water for gpl code when you're talking to someone with the skill to affect change and the time and desire to do so.
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I can't imagine running a public server where _my_ users would still have to register w/ EQEmu. Why should they? What if I have a falling out w/ the EQEmu project or branch the code? Do I want to have to still be subject to using their login server? I don't think so. Since the world/zone servers are gpl, a branch is a very real possibility. As far as splintering the user-base... I don't see any reason that loginservers couldn't pass information from one to another. Nor am I aware of anything that would prevent modifying world servers to register with multiple login servers. So, while the official stance is that minilogin is not and never will be open source, I think that you can still rest assured that there will eventually be an open source login server.
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im not even going to respond to this last blurb. elgin, as i said above grats on adding perl to eqemu thank you whatever. But dont make statements when you have less than no fucking clue why we do what we do.
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Stop for a second and think about what you just wrote. "I'm not going to respond, but you are clueless." Umm... whatever, dude. I wish you would respond to it - I'm fully prepared to defend my argument.
You're pretty quick to point out that the eqemu dev team doesn't owe anyone anything. That's fine and dandy. I haven't asked for anything. Likewise, I don't owe you (/dev/noob) jack squat, either. _Don't_ talk to me as if I do. If your rant is because my questions and comments aren't preceded with the deferential babble you're accustomed to - tough tit.