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Jez-

I hosed the quote thing, hopefully you can follow it. I'll add them where appropriate.

"Have you ever had a conversation with someone from a different country regarding this topic? For instance my wife is Russian. Their point of view on all of that completely differs from what we believe to have happened. They say they were doing fine with Hitler and didn't need our help. "

Yes I have had discussions with people from other countries, including Jews who still bear the number tattoo from the concentration camps. I agree that each point of view is different and skewed towards one's bias to a point. I won't argue with your wife, she was there, I wasn't.


"We are fed what the government wants us to know, not what actually is happening or took place, history is written by the victors."

We agree 100%, and an example would be the lie that the "Civil War" was fought over slavery, when in fact it was a completely unconstitutional undertaking by those who wanted to eliminate the sovereignty of the states as voluntary members of the union and force them to belong to a monolithic nation. The history books say that it was fought over slavery, but the abolition of slavery was used as justification for Lincoln's illegal invasion of the South. But again, the victors write the history books, and here we are. Before you call me any names, ask yourselves this question: If the civil war was fought over slavery, then why was the war fought for more than two years before any mention of the emancipation proclamation was made?

Anyway, I've steered from the point, I'm back now.

"Just like all the other times the US took it upon themselves to police the rest of the world instead of fixing our own problems because we are so "righteous". We need to get our familys out of Iraq and let them deal with it on their own, if we are lucky they will all kill themselves through civil war and there won't be an Iraq anymore...problem solved. The US needs to stop sticking its nose into other countries business, I think the other countries of the world and the UN can look out for themselves, they don't need us butting in."

I sort of agree, but not completely. First, I think that the U.N. is just about the most useless, inept, and corrupt institution on earth. Second, while I don't necessarily think that the U.S. should be the world's "policeman," I do think that as members of the human race, and U.S. citizens simply by the accident of birth and the grace of God, we do have some responsibility to do what's right when it's in our power to do so. I don't remember asking not to be born in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Cambodia when Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge came to power, I don't remember asking to be a U.S. citizen when I got my chance to live here. Neither, I am sure, did those who were the victims of Saddam, Ho Chi Min, Hitler, Stalin or any of a number of murderers.

Do I think that the occupation of Iraq is going as it should? I can't answer that complety, I don't have the information that the President has. From where I sit, and what I do know, or at least think I know, would I have handled it differently? I don't know.

I too served my country. I am a former Marine, and proud to call myself a citizen of this great nation. I originally posted this because while I have no issue with honest and open dissent, I don't think it's right to disrespect the office of the President, no matter who the current occupant is.

Holy crap, what a discussion this has turned into. I thought I was just here to play a fricking game.