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Originally Posted by Jezebell
Who's to say whats right and whats wrong? You? Me? the government? society? what gives that entity that right?
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Speaking as a born again, Bible believing Christian, I believe the Bible to be the basis of right and wrong, and I do believe in absolute right and wrong. That's not to say that I've always done what's right and avoided the wrong, there's plenty on my plate for me to account for, but that doesn't diminish my belief one bit.
As I read your post, I think we're closer in opinion than might be apparent. I too have problems with the government and its "ever moving" target of what is right and wrong based on what party occupies the White House, but nonetheless, while I can honestly say that I distrust my government, I do love my country, and I do have friends over in Iraq who I would like to see again.
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Originally Posted by Jezebell
I have no problem with saying a president of the United States of America is a jerkoff. He is not a god to be idolized or worshipped. He is a human being and a politician (nuff said imo) and they make mistakes, they are not perfect, lets not pretend that they are.
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Neither do I think that any man, or man made institution is to be idolized or worshipped, but I just see too many people who, like me, have no idea what it's like to be in GW's shoes, we don't have the information he has, we don't have the responsibilities, nor do we have the stress. I can't imagine what that job must be like, Iwould never want it. But, like it or not, the guy made a decision, he did what leaders are supposed to do, he led. I personally think he's too laid back about things, too restrained, too planned, but I respect him as a leader who has been appointed over me. As a Christian, I know that he's not there by accident, God's not sitting there saying "Oh crap, how did GW get there?" No, for some reason he's meant to be there right now, and like it or not, as my president, I owe him my respect, as far as is morally right.
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Originally Posted by Jezebell
How do you know what was actually happening in Iraq when Saddam was in power? Because we read it in newspapers or heard it on TV? Because our government told us? Fow all we know the majority of the Iraqi people could have been content with their life when Saddam was in power and now we have gone in there and torn the place up. Unless you lived in Iraq when Saddam was dictator how can you speak of what was going on in that country?
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As for how I know what happened in Iraq when Saddam was in power, again, while I am too old to be fighting over there, I do have friends who were and are there. They saw what the people had, and what they had to deal with, and saw what they'd been through. They saw that the media over was portraying things as worse than they were, sometimes ignoring what the thugs of the Baath party were doing. They saw what they saw, and I trust my friends way more than I would trust CNN, NBC, or any of the news media outlets.
You mentioned in one of your posts the family and friends that we have over there. They're the point, aren't they? While we're discussing this from the comfort of our homes, they're living in a sand filled hell. Yeah, the truth is that I believe that they're doing something that matters, something that will count in the big picture, and I am biased towards the belief that this life is not the only one we live. Regardless, they need our prayers and support.
Jez, we're not as far apart as our posts seem to indicate, I think we are just coming at this from two different directions. I respect your opinion about the president, I don't agree with it, and in fact I think it's wrong, but I respect the fact that you have one, and that you have the right to voice it. As do I.