Windows Gui for EQEMU RELEASE

[cole89103]

This is a GUI (Graphical User Interface) For the eqemulator, its features include the following


Starting and Stopping EQEMU Uses start.bat file to start the server (must be in eqemu directory for this to work)((WINDOWS USERS ONLY))
Server Console GUI (Graphical Telnet Client tailor made for EQEMU Server)
Server Variables Editor
Server Rules Editor
Server Petitions Viewer/Editor


To Install Extract all files in archive into your main eqemu directory and edit the config file to match your server settings (for Console gui username and password MUST have status 200 or above and have a md5 password setup in the account table)

**!!~ NOTE ~!!**
This is released in BINARY form only Sources will never be released so please do not ask for then I have many reasons for not releasing them. This software is written in C#.NET and Requires .NET framework 2.0 or better

[trevius]

Did you post a link to the file, or is this post just to let people know about what you are working on? I know you had your previous posts on this that you asked to be deleted and it looks like they were. You released a very early version of the software and then pulled the file shortly after. Though, I don't personally think that deleting posts is a good idea on these forums. I think if anything, they should only be moved somewhere else instead of deleted.

I am going to post in this thread what I posted in the last one. But, first I want to say that I do appreciate any and all tools and information to help the community. Your tool sounds like a nice start to something that could be very useful.

I just want to clarify about using tools or any software that is closed source. There is absolutely no guarantee that the files are not malicious and could potentially be used to cause harm to your PC and/or database. Anyone using files that are closed source and haven't been verified by a trusted developer to be clean and hack free should know that they are "use at your own risk". I think it especially important to beware when you are entering your database username and password in the program's config file. This one apparently also needs to be configured with your username and password for a GM impossible account that has access to your server if I am reading that correctly. It would be very easy for that information to be forwarded to somewhere else so that person could use as they please.

Let me be clear on this; I am NOT saying that I think this software is malicious and I would certainly hope that it isn't. I just want to make sure everyone is aware of certain possible risks even if the chances are very low. Many of us have put countless hours into our servers and I think everyone deserves to hear and understand this warning.

As I suggested in the last thread that was deleted, I suggest that you allow this source to at least be looked over by a dev that is willing to check it and have them post to verify it is safe. Of course, this means that someone will have to check and verify it every time there is an update. It can still be closed source and get verified by someone else.

Last, I apologize if this post is read as an attack. If the moderators think this is an unnecessary post, then feel comment on it. If this thread gets deleted again and then remade, I will post the warning again unless asked not to by a mod or dev. This time I am saving the post so that I don't have to write it all over again lol.

Again, I am all for helping the community and creating new tools for people to use. That is great stuff. I don't at all mean to upset the creator or to stop them from creating or updating their application. I just think it is only fair to give the warning I have given.

[cole89103]

there are plenty of tools that are not opensource i will not release mine EVER CAvedude has seen the source as has another member of the community who helped me create it but i will NOT RELEASE THE SOURCE STOP ASKING!!!

And i will not be updating or further supporting either tool that i posted people who have it use it and enjoy it already but i think everyone needs to realize that implying something is malicious simply because the developer of said software doesnt release the source is NOT going to change the fact that it REMAINS closed source if you want an open source version make it yourself simple as that. I will not put my copyrighted work out for anyone to rip off and THAT is final

http://shardsofnorrath.no-ip.org/EQEmuGui.zip

ONCE again!
THE SOURCE WILL NOT BE MADE PUBLIC UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ANY REASON EVER!!!

[MNWatchdog]

I dont get why not release it AFTER your done developing it at least. Not like theres something top secret in it I assume. And how useful will it be if you stop updating it to the current state of the Emu and noone else can either?

Ive seen utilities come and then become more and more useless because it isnt being maintained and cant be without the source.

People come and go all the time and it seems like the wheel is constantly being recreated.

[cole89103]

I will NOT GIVE out MY copyrighted WORK simple as that nor will i support it for a coomunity that demands my work so they can use claim it as their own if you dont like that it is closed source DO NOT USE IT!!

STOP ASKING FOR THE SOURCE YOU WILL NOT I REPEATE NOT GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moydock]

Damn man, take some midol or something.

[cole89103]

well i said it in the intial post i dont know what part of it people neglected to understand i thought i was quite clear not to ask for the source

[trevius]

Just to be absolutely clear, I could care less about the source. I don't want it, and I don't even want to see it. I never implied I did. I just wanted to give out the warning that anyone with the ability to code could easily slip something nasty in there. I am not saying you did, but what better way would there be to get unlimited access to people's databases than by making a simple tool and then handing it out as closed source?

If Cavedude saw the source and gives it the all clear, then that is all I was getting at. If he was to post and say that this is safe to use, then there wouldn't be much of a need to be concerned anymore.

I am sorry that you took my original post the wrong way. Let's try to keep it calm and friendly. If you aren't going to work on this tool anymore because of the closed source issues, then that is too bad. This community can always use extra tools and helpers.

[GeorgeS]

Anyone who writes software does not need to disclose the source. I think that's cole89103's choice. As a writer of software I also do not release source to everything I put out, but in my case, certain code cannot be released due to license restrictions, or just my preference.

Anyway, just enjoy the tools source or not :)


GeorgeS

[Angelox]

I don't understand why we chose this guy to wail on? I was worried about minilogin and the the Login Server when I first started here; What's to say that's not a big bomb waiting to explode in my PC?
And what about all the other stuff I have? most of it is not open source - something there could screw me too.
But at this point in life, I just make sure I have my bottle Vaseline with me at all times :)

[cavedude]

My name is cavedude and I approved of this message.

His code does exactly as described above, nothing more. Of course, I take no responsibility for bugs or other unforeseen errors.

[cole89103]

LMAO OMG thats funny thanks cavedude I needed that.

That said My choice to not support or update the tool was based on the implication that the software sniffed passwords or was in another way malicious i dont see all the other tool developers HAVING To submit their code to the developers of the emulator for "approval" And that is also the reason for my reaction to it.

So why did you choose me to whail on? I am currious here, if you show me 10 other tools that submitted their source to the devs for APPROVAL before they posted it ill shut up however that said i am certain i can name atleast one dev who didnt submit their source to anyone.

[leslamarch]

I can say that i have been using this for weeks and all works well, This is another great tool to add to my list. everything we use could be a risk.
Thanks for the great tool!!

[cole89103]

yeah including the public loginserver which grants the admins of the ls gm access to the worldserver theres even a variable for it here

http://www.eqemulator.net/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=ServerVariables

honorlsworldadmin


Lets see what tools are closed source

well the DRP editor by sesmar was closed source
simple client
minilogin
some of georges's tools
various other tools
peq server pack installer(installs the emu which is open source but sources the db and requires the root password to do it) ~NOTE~ just pointing out that there are people who dont release the source and dont get attacked like this for it or demanded that a dev approve their tool!

so why does MY source need to be approved or released? and why is my tool being targeted and basicly flat out called a password sniffer or other malicious software? personally i think i deserve an appology at the mere implication

[Theeper]

Noone attacked you, or "wailed" on you. Trevius never said your software was malicious. In fact, he said ..

Let me be clear on this; I am NOT saying that I think this software is malicious

You don't have to release your source if you don't want to and Trev doesn't have to use it if he doesn't want to. Let's not argue over petty things. There are plenty more important and productive things we could be doing.

[cole89103]

i told him if he didnt like it not to use it right off the bat however he ALSO Said

Just to be absolutely clear, I could care less about the source. I don't want it, and I don't even want to see it. I never implied I did. I just wanted to give out the warning that anyone with the ability to code could easily slip something nasty in there. I am not saying you did, but what better way would there be to get unlimited access to people's databases than by making a simple tool and then handing it out as closed source?

If Cavedude saw the source and gives it the all clear, then that is all I was getting at. If he was to post and say that this is safe to use, then there wouldn't be much of a need to be concerned anymore.

now why should anyone have to give the all clear? i dont see him mouthing off about georges's tools or minilogin or any number of other tools that are available that havent been given an "all clear"

even angelox noted it was out of hand

the principal of the matter is the issue getting a third party tool cleared by the devs like that to my knowledge hasnt been asked of anyone else when they release closed source tools and therein lies the attack

[cole89103]

why is the concern only about MY Tool and not the countless others that are available that dont have source included THAT is the attack or whailing as angelox put it

[cole89103]

you know it truly amazes me how much people troll just to start trouble with others, Let me make this perfectly clear just so there is not any misunderstanding.

IF YOU DONT like it OR DONT want to use something that you dont have the source to.... DO NOT DOWNLOAD OR USE IT

Now that said, i have recently recieved a pm in which someone mentioned my lack of contribution for 2 years well look at this post and you will see WHY I have not contributed nor will i do so again after the reaming i got and the implications my software was a password sniffer.

Its also been said i am an asshole to this i adamantly agree, when attacked flamed or insulted i am the worlds biggest prick and PROUDLY admit it i wont stand for peoples BS EVER.

Now hopefully people will stop derailing my threads with their useless village idiot prattling and accusations

[trevius]

From your PM to me today:
you owe me an appology for implying that my software was malware and a password sniffer funny how you stfu when cavedude and angelox posted be a man and admit you were fucking wrong

You were plenty willing to fuel the fire of a false rumor that was harming the reputation of members of this community that have put far too much work into this community and project to deserve that kind of disrespect. Here is the post:

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25112&page=2

And, I imagine the grudge you seem to have against some of the devs and moderators in that post are probably because you are the same person as Corvanus in the post below. This would also explain why you are so concerned about your source code due to "your own reasons". Not to mention that you and Corvanus type in the exact same way.

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24898&page=2

And in that post, another post is mentioned which appears to be where your original "reason" to be cautious about your source started. And, coincidentally the username that posted that post was Coleshadowblades. Is it chance that cole89103 and Coleshadowblade both have "cole" in the name?

http://eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20807&highlight=mysql

If I am wrong about any of that, then I honestly apologize. But, if I am right, then I think people deserve to read and understand the warning I posted. If all of these accounts are yours (Corvanus, cole89103, Coleshadowblades), then you have some real issues with many high level members of this project. You also have a very short temper and have caused a large amount of drama on these boards. If I am not mistaken, I believe you made account after account after account causing all kinds of issues to the mods while you were trying to post "your" login server download link from some website.

The simple fact that you change to a different login name so your reputation doesn't follow you is something that concerns me a bit. I think reputation is VERY important. And if people are going to trust someone with their passwords by putting them in a closed source application configuration file, they should definitely be aware of the code writter's past reputation.

If you were reasonable and kept things honest and civil at all times, then I would have no troubles with you. I even try to understand where you are coming from in some of these argumentative posts. I can see your point in most of them, but you are quick to blow things out of proportions every time. When you start in on the reputation of the senior members of this project every time, it makes me think that you have something against the entire project. If that is the case, then there is definite reason to use caution when considering the use of any of your applications. If you can't even show respect to any of the devs/mods in this project, then how can we expect you to respect other people's hard work (their databases).

You wanted to understand why I posted my warning, now you understand my perspective on this. Really, the warning I posted applies to any and all closed source software. Most of them come from already fairly trusted sources. Any that come from a single person without a fairly well known reputation/history seems to be somewhat more of a risk. If any of the people with closed source tools or applications had a questionable reputation, then I am sure you would see similar warnings in their tool submissions. Every single one of them as far as I have seen has been nothing but professional in their posts and uphold an excellent reputation.

You have been very helpful lately on the forums answering some questions and working on your projects. And please, don't let me deter you. I certainly wouldn't let 1 person stop me from doing something to help everyone else. I run a fairly popular server and I don't shut it down every time someone says that I suck. So, I hope you continue to help the community.

Trust has to be earned. It takes time and consistency to earn it. By going from helping users to flaming the devs and mods, that shows instability. I truly hope you can prove yourself to be trustworthy. I am a positive person and I always give people a second chance if they deserve it. I think that you really do mean well, but that you take some things a bit to seriously and lose control over them.

If you want to keep your source closed, then I can understand that and respect that. It is your hard work and you can do whatever you want with it. But if you really want people to trust you, then maybe you should show a little trust and consider opening the source. As stated before, tools die off that are closed source once the emu code is updated and doesn't work with the tool anymore if the developer is gone and doesn't continue to support it. That renders your hard work useless once that happens. No one is going to use your code to make something that makes money for them. These are all tools that are free to use by the community and for the community. It isn't like you invented DOS and are at risk of Bill Gates stealing it to build an empire on.

If all you want is credit for your creations, then just keep working and building your reputation and you will get all of the credit you deserve. This isn't a movie production where credits have to be displayed by law and people get paid to do everything. This is a free project ran by volunteers. There is alot going on in this community and no one is perfect. Sure, some things might go unnoticed or you might not get credit for everything you do, but what can you expect? If you are consistent and are helpful, your work will eventually get noticed. Just be patient and keep helping. The reward should be the act of helping the community and knowing you are doing something good. Any recognition is just a nice bonus, but it shouldn't be something to be upset over.

I don't personally want to see your source, and I don't really have much use for your tools (at least not what you have done so far). I am not a coder either, so believe me when I say that I don't want your source opened so that I can personally cheat you of whatever work you have done on them. I understand that you are keeping it closed and that is perfectly fine with me. I just feel like I owe it to people to give a fair warning about closed source. I know some server admins who might not be aware that there is any sort of risk and I think they deserve to be aware.

I am not trying to harm your reputation. That isn't the type of person that I am. I consider myself a fair and honest person that tries to be helpful when I can. I try to stay calm and level-headed as well as unbiased. I haven't contributed anything major to this community yet other than some help where I can and a couple of my custom quests. A coder like yourself can certainly help the community in a larger way than I can right now. For that, you deserve a certain level of respect. If you can continue to uphold a positive reputation, you will surely get every bit of respect that you deserve.

If you feel the need to try to put me down or harm my reputation because of this post, please don't bother. I won't be replying on this subject again unless asked to by a Developer or Moderator. If I am harming my own reputation by making this post, then that is too bad. But, I have plenty of patience and time to build it back up. I know what kind of person I am and that is all that matters to me.

The apology that I owe is to anyone reading this post. The last thing I want to do is start drama, and I imagine that this post will be read as drama. If the devs/mods feel that this post should be removed, then please feel free. I respect and trust all of the devs decisions and I don't wish to cause anymore issues for them than they already have. If they feel like I owe you an honest apology for this post, then I will give you a true apology. I could be completely wrong about what I have written here and I hate to assume without having 100% facts. If I am wrong then I deserve anything coming to me and I owe you a big apology.

I think that covers most of the topics I wanted to touch on in this post. There are a few other things I wanted to point out, but this post doesn't need to be any longer than it is already lol. I didn't want to post this in the first place, but I think some things just needed to be said.

I hope you can rise above flaming me for this post. You don't even need to post and get defensive about the subjects I mentioned here. Though, I fully expect an explosion of anger which I am sure we could all do without.

[cole89103]

lmao actually i find your digging up all those peoples posts (especially the one from ColeShadowblades) on the basis that the name has the same word in it utterly funny and terribly ammusing, it merely shows how desperate you are to troll and derail a thread (i invite anyone to look at the members list and see how many members have the same words in whole or in part in their names does that make everyone who has the word matt in their name mattmeck or dood doodman or dude cavedude?

Now

If the devs or moderators have something to say to me they can do it themselves and if they are going through you then well that merely shows their own immaturity and cowardice among other things, notice i said IF they are...

I will NEVER release my source to this community EVER for many many reasons i have seen former project devs get ripped off and so forth too many times to even consider putting myself in such a possition, ontop of that some of the class libraries i use are not limited only to the emu and it would create a rather large security hole on other non emu related projects that i work on in my spare time and also Ive recieved help and guidance from other developers when i have gotten stuck on something and would never release the source because of that as well.

As for the person you refer to posting their cracked minilogin nope sorry i have a working public loginserver albeit an old one even has eqcrypto.dll and works wonderfully if people want a copy i have no issue providing it to them as one its already been leaked by image two it only works with older versions of the emu server and client so i doubt ill get banned if i did... several of the emu staff know i have it as well so why would i bother cracking minilogin lol i dont need to i have the source to an actual public loginserver so decompiling minilogin would be both useless and a waste of my time(anyone with the client from sod can connect to my loginserver if there is any doubt at shardsofpalgoria.no-ip.info:5999)

the problem with the community is people who do stuff like this they troll and derail a post due to their assumptions and afterwards their accusations and flames,

You say you dont want to harm my reputation then without a shred of actual proof you have accused me flat out of being several different people thereby attempting to harm my credability and reputation.


now i think thats about all i really have to say other then thanks for the laughs i really needed them after the last couple days where i work

[mattmeck]

You are those and at least 3 dozen other names I banned for being a retard and an ass.


You are the main reason all the user groups got deleted, you are the main one with the entitled attitude, you are the one starting issues.

Getting ripped off? how can you get ripped off on something thats freely given??

I personally have cough you in so many lies, and enough of the community has contacted me over what you are doing now, I wanted to come here and post this for there sakes.

You have been the biggest bane on this community, and caused so many new rules, and headaches, and caused many good people to leave...


People like you make me glad I dont need to worry about admining this anymore.

[cole89103]

you havent caught me in anything nopw lets talk about lies shall we?

one you are an asshole matt and you left because of your own immaturity, now lets see hrmmm how many projects did the current staff rip from out from under the original dev of peq?

now as for the usergroups you got rid of them because well your an ass who went on a tempertantrum, you were such a shitty admin you couldnt even follow your OWN Rules let alone have a foot to stand on to punnish others

now to QUOTE you you said that preferential treatment occurs here(or did when you were the admin)

Now i would like to see PROOF of your bullshit lies to flame me get lost matt stop trolling like a fucking idiot

[cole89103]

And now I officially request this entire thread be removed i am sick of this bullshit all my binary downloads are being removed from my server as of now im sick of you fucking people

[cole89103]

I have no removed all downloads from my server and will NEVER again release a single piece of code idea custom tool or anything else to this community of bad people and accusers, I am sick of this poo i truly am as are others im sure with the total lack of any kind of respect for people.

Mattmeck you call me the bane of the community? really? thats funny cause im sure if someone actually was the bane of the community doodman would be in jail under the dmca by now yeah see now THAT would be a bane of the community.

Personally All i got to say is anyone who provides this community with anything is well not entirely too bright

I have been attacked flamed berated accuse and i am now sick of it and will no longer tolerate it nor hold my tounge so flame away just expect to get it back tenfold

[moydock]

Thank god...

[cole89103]

would someone atleast lock this thread for shit sakes god even the eqemu team are trolling now you guys are sickening truly sickening

[KLS]

I will lock it for you, I meant to do it the first time I came through actually just latenight hunger overcame me heh.