Anyone hear this CD

[Jiggawhat]

Any of u hear the new blink CD?, i just bought it today and man....its a really sweet CD

post your thoughts on it btw I wanna hear some feed back on it.

[danipunk]

:lol: blink is a big shit brother.
This group shows how disgusting is the american society. But, go, listen it and spend money, one day will find that you are dead and hadn't done nothing.
You are too arrogant and I hope that soon someone will kick your american big asses.

Hispanic Anarchy Against American Capitalists (H.A.A.A.C)
You ar killing the world, and the world will kill you.

[arkaria]

LOL

I see some nasty comments commin to this post.

I have found Americans to be quite nationalistic.
Be they Wrong or Right they don't take criticism of their country well. Not that anyone likes critical remarks about their country, but some take them better and more objectivly than others :)

[Trumpcard]

I think most of us can take criticism well, but we tend to not like to be generalized , or epitomized as evil, or threatened..

We have children, sisters, brothers, mothers just like everyone else born on this world, and we value most of the same things. The only things that truly set us apart are geographic in nature..

Dani, you obviously have issues you need to work through, despite your obvious shortcomings, i bear you no ill will, though it pains me that you could wish us harm. Many could look back on Spain and comment that you once (and may still) possess the arrogance you claim is ours. The spanish ruthlessly exploited the new world, victimized several south american indian nations (some to extinction), robbed, pillaged, plundered in their search for the seven cities of gold and the fountain of youth...

How is our society disgusting ? How are we killing the world ? You make vague accusations but no concrete examples.

The people that are 'killing' the world are those that can hate without understanding the targets of their ire. Do you even know why you hate us , or are you just following the crowd and hating for the sake of hate itself, with no real reason for such negative emotions? Are you told to hate us, or do you have a real reason too ?

[Stealth_raptor]

I don't hate Americans...I do think some are idiots though. For example, your president. If you want me to back this up with evidence...i'd be more than happy to do so :D

Edit: Since I saw that video of American soldiers bursting into a home full of women and children at night, I am against what they have done and do and are planning to do there (in Iraq). That kind of thing severely traumatises children... (just thought i'd bring this up on the account that this may bring up this issue :))

[mattmeck]

He isnt an Idiot he is a Texan....there isnt much of a diference to be honest tho. :lol:

[arkaria]

Hahahaha Mattmech

Oh too true :)

[mattmeck]

Mattmech


Its Mattmeck :twisted:

[Jiggawhat]

oh man....that bad, im called a american, lol i only like that group, im canadian btw. Just cause i like blink dont mean shit, i like rufio, starting line, jersey, alexis on fire, and local bands such as amid morning sky and repeat untill false, lol so dont flip out.

[Farrenz]

Sucks.

[arkaria]

Hehe sorry Mattmeck typos are fun :)

[DannMann99]

hmm... blink? no... but Jay Z: The Black Album...
whoa.

let me just tell you, those beats are crazy. The lyrics are great too.

Go get it. Its his last cd.

~Dan

[Hades]

raar i like music raar <3
oh oops i think im supposed to say that everyone elses msic sux but mine... yeah thats how it goes... yeah you alls suxors at your musizors choixores yeah eat that... my music is too good for you

[Jiggawhat]

LOL

[danipunk]

To Trumpcard,

First of all, I born in Spain, but I not consider me as a spanish.
They are not like me, and I am not like these spanishs that had murdered thousands of amazonic indians.
I know that in all places and countries are idiots and are kind people too, but the "typical american way of think" is money.
You defend a president (with your votes) that is in the power since two years ago. In these two years Mr oBush has done 2 wars, one each year. First afganistan, after Irak.

WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT? I'm sure that this won't be Spain. Our stupid President (not mine, but i live in spain) is sucking the ass of mr bush, and he dont attack us. They only attack POOR and 3rd world countries. Do you think its good? Your president is killing in name of each american, in your name. And you, only clap your hands. Its cool yeah?

This is what I see your way of think is. And the entire world has seen it.

Im sorry, cause my intention only was to make a critic of your way of life (very materialist too) and without wanting this has became out of my hands.
If I has offended someone, sorry, but the things are like this.

I only wanna add one more thing :

When the Twin Towers fall in 11S, I drink a toast with my friends and make a big party with a big big joint.

Let

[arkaria]

Just keeps getting better.

This poor soul is going about this the wrong way. His solution is the wrong one but some of his observerations are acurate.

[Stealth_raptor]

America's attack on Iraq was ruthless and the world now sees that the justification for making 'war' with that country was a lie. Iraq was disarming before America decided to attack (Can anyone tell me how cowardly it is to ask a country to disarm and then attack it once it starts doing so?).

As for removing Saddam...maybe it was good...but at least he was able to run the country (we all have our ways of doing things, his was just 'less civilised' than Bush would have liked it to have been...and it was that way with the American people too (and many others)).

There is no law that says you can attack a rogue state for posession of nuclear weapons. That is legal.

By attacking Iraq, America IGNORED the UN...destroying its credibility and legitimacy.


Edit: Just wanted to add...

Sanctions against Saddam's regime have been responsible for the death of approximately 500,000 children within Iraq since they began 12 years ago.

If one nation perceives itself to be under threat from another, it may approach the Security Council who will then assess the existence or nature of the threat and sanction appropriate measures. No nation, unless attacked, may act unilaterally with military force. (Part of the UN charter which the US has agreed to)

America also has the right to stop a UN inspection on its soil and can prevent any American sample being analysed in another country. (Who is running this world?)

[quote]'I will never apologise for the United States of America

[Farrenz]

Sterotypes are the perepsctive of the ignorant.

Your president is killing in name of each american, in your name. And you, only clap your hands. Its cool yeah?


Not all Americans are capitialist power hungry pigs looking to rob the world blind.

Those people are known as Republicans.

[Stealth_raptor]

Sterotypes are the perepsctive of the ignorant.

Not all Americans are capitialist power hungry pigs looking to rob the world blind.

Those people are known as Republicans.

I did NOT sterotype Americans if you were talking about my post...first of all. (George speaks for America as a country...I at no point stated that the American people made war on each country (although, I know some wanted to))

As for all Americans being power hungry pigs....thank goodness you all aren't.

[Farrenz]

not you... : P

DaniPunk

Being an American punk I feel the need to correct him.

[Stealth_raptor]

I'm glad :)

[Trumpcard]

If all these claims about America were true, you guys would all have been dead years ago... Capitilistic, yes.. We're not any different than most civilized countries..

As for America and the war, I dont disagree , we had shakey reasons for going in there in the first case. As far as the UN goes though, the UN has always been useless in my mind, UN sanctions have had little or no effect on anyone... The american people had NOTHING to do with the governments decision to go into iraq... In fact, the vast majority of us dont want us to be there.. I have a brother in law that is in the military that is stationed in Bagdad. Does he want to be there? No.. Do we as his family? No..

But Dani, anyone that toasts when innocents are ruthlessly murdered, regardless of where they are from, is an idiot.. You were gaining credibilty in my mind while i was reading that post until i came across that. Once you said that, you proved to me that my initial impressions regarding you were correct...

Should I wish your family death? Should I laugh when you father dies and wish the same for your mother ? I'm guessing you're a kid, because your comments certainly indicate that..

We live in this country, that doesnt mean we agree with every decision that is made.. And you still havent given any concrete reasons for hating the US other than 'I dont like George Bush'..

You're not a punk, you're a dumbass....

[a_Guest03]

Our media lies to us, and your media lies to you. If you think that you can stop your military any faster than we can stop ours, I challenge you to do so. Find the truth among the lies, do the right thing, and save the world. Oh, you don't have time, or the facts? Nobody gave you a militia or a political backing? You don't have the time and money to do this while you earn a living or go to school?

Don't blame me for our "great injustice". If I could've voted on the war, and I could trust my media, I would do the right thing. Otherwise it's a crapshoot.

[Stealth_raptor]

Ok, wrote a reply up before but my internet got disconnected. lol

First up; Sanctions kill millions of people each year, not only in Iraq. They are, in my mind, the biggest injustices in this world. For how many they kill...they morally acheive nothing.

The UN needs more power. It needs to be able to stop countries from going to war with each other and have the force to do it. There SHOULD be more strict penalties for countries if rules are broken...but unfortunately there aren't.

Yes, the media does lie to everyone, only telling the people the things that wont hurt their country and allies of their country. You may see those that are rejoicing because Saddam's reign is over, but you hardly ever see those that do not want any military force occupying their country, other than their own (You also don't see the harassment...but I wont go there).

I hope American soldiers are permitted to leave. What George W. Bush is doing may just be causing more chaos for the future. Oh and...I forgot, you can watch your dollar drop for the next few years because of him.

[witch1329]

<holds up riot shield> Not to get off topic but i enjoyed the blink 182 cd :)

[danipunk]

Jajajajaja (spanish laught)
And you (farrenz) can call PUNK yourself? Punks , not american punks, look that its different, dont trust in countries, or states, or... nothing.
You are not a punk, you are an american punk more of the system. The american punks, usually call themselves as punks, but wear like hip-hop bands, except ribons and stuff. Punks that I related, are like UK punks, and like spanish punks. You are a plastic punk.
Please, in the next time, make a specification between PUNKS and AMERICAN PUNKS. Only to call the things for his name.

Another thing, is that in spain the republicans are the "radical" part of population, because Spain has a king who rulez the State. And the republicans here are people who wants the king dead. Wants the power for the people. Its very different.

I only was talking about the impression that americans give to the world.

Trumpcard, do you know how much people had killed the US in the last century? There will be like the nazis more or less.
-How many nations had launched a nuclear bomb to another country? Only USA. Twice, Hiroshima/Nagasaki
-Do you know the number of children that died in the first Irak War in 1991, without counting the adults and women? 130000aprox.

Like these, I can say you more and more examples of War and destruction made by the USA , sometimes in name ofthe good fo the world people, or the freedom or... anything.
These are GOOD reasons for you?
If you look at the numbers and you had done maths in school you know that 130000 children dead is MORE big than 5000 (+o-) people that died on 11S.
And if you think a little is logic that if the US had killed 130000 children in Irak, they at least, would try to kill the more americans possible.
Trump, we are from different cultures, if you think its logic to have differences. But you cant deny that USA is the most belic country in the last...century.
I belive in violence, but for change for good. Sometimes Speaking you cant get anything. In that cases violence can be accepted, in others like the USA militars use it, its not accepted.

P.D: I have heard someone saying that rancid sucks. Rancid is the best PUNK group from the american. Its not american punk.
If you dont like Rancid, you hadn

[Farrenz]

Jajajajaja (spanish laught)
And you (farrenz) can call PUNK yourself? Punks , not american punks, look that its different, dont trust in countries, or states, or... nothing.
You are not a punk, you are an american punk more of the system. The american punks, usually call themselves as punks, but wear like hip-hop bands, except ribons and stuff. Punks that I related, are like UK punks, and like spanish punks. You are a plastic punk.
Please, in the next time, make a specification between PUNKS and AMERICAN PUNKS. Only to call the things for his name

lol...Its quite obvious you know nothing about Punk in the United States. Its your sterotypical attitude that makes you the dumbass Trump pointed you out as.

Rancid is from America...wtf are you talking about, but I do agree that they are awsome, Along with Anti-Flag, The Casualties, The Exploited, F-Minus, The Unseen, Operation Ivy, and The Virus (not to mention the 100's of other local bands).

[Trumpcard]

The Misfits and Black Flag...

Enough said....

I love this one, it needs to be on a tshirt..

I belive in violence, but for change for good. Sometimes Speaking you cant get anything. In that cases violence can be accepted, in others like the USA militars use it, its not accepted.


My violence is cool, yours is dumb! naa naa nee naa naa

LMAO

[Stealth_raptor]

Speaking can get you someplaces, although it's the lack of wanting to compromise that upsets things. A child wants an apple, another child wants that same apple, cut it in half. Unfortunately...that's not always the case...and the bigger child usually gets the apple.

[DaGrahamster]

Wow....Danipunk....wow.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of America either. I am an American, but the way this country is going nowadays.....
Ever since 9/11 we have basically become ultra-power-trip egomaniacal self-righteouss bastards. People (not ALL people, but almost all the people in power both politically and corporately) in the country are in general greedy, shallow, prejudice, hypocritical, violent-prone, prudish, closed-minded, and as I said before, self-righteouss. I don't even want to live in this country when I'm an adult.

That is not to say that they are bad people. I don't hate anyone, no matter what their actions or beliefs, and no matter what their beliefs, I think they have the right to think, and to (non-violently) express that. That is freedom of speech and I strongly believe in that.

There's a quote, I don't know who said it, but it goes something like:
"I don't agree with what you say, but I would give my life for your right to say it."

I would give my life for that too, and that is the essence of America, of what America is SUPPOSED to be, but sadly, isn't anymore.

But what you said about 9/11 Danipunk:
When the Twin Towers fall in 11S, I drink a toast with my friends and make a big party with a big big joint.

That's just ignorant and does nothing to help the state the world is in. that only acts to spread hate. Those were civilians. They were people who had their own beliefs and no matter what they were, they didn't deserve to die just because of who they are.

That said, the same goes for Muslims. I can't stand it when people persecute Muslims for 9/11. That's not what Islam is about. That's not what any religion is about.

P.S. Farrenz, love the quote man. :twisted:
Not all Americans are capitialist power hungry pigs looking to rob the world blind.

Those people are known as Republicans.


Pretty gross generality, but yeah. So true, so true.

You should all read a little book (graphic novel, really) called Watchmen, and for that matter, V For Vendetta. In both of those there are many parallel themes to what is said in this forum.

[dolanorn]

Trumpcard, do you know how much people had killed the US in the last century? There will be like the nazis more or less.

OMG I'm speechless when I see such idiotic statements , Have you ever been to a concentration camp ? Have you ever saw the pile of hair that were used to make carpet ? Have you ever saw the crematory oven ?
America never started a war that killed 50 millions people and organized the extermination of a whole population.

-How many nations had launched a nuclear bomb to another country? Only USA. Twice, Hiroshima/Nagasaki

and USA started the second world and attacked the japan at first...
I don't see your point , theses bombs were launch to stop the war , japan would have not surrender until the destruction of their whole country and this would have cost far more lives and consequences of atomic bomb weren't well known too.

-Do you know the number of children that died in the first Irak War in 1991, without counting the adults and women? 130000aprox.

USA weren't alone in the first Irak war (almost 50 countries) unfortunatly there is no "clean war" and do you really thinks it's better to let rogue state invade others and do nothing ? with people like you nazis would still own the whole Europe.
I disagree 2e Irak war , but first one was justified. I'm french , I disagree with USA foreign policy on many things especially on unjustified war like viet-nam (french decolonization war at first...) but you can't blame USA on first and second world war nor can you on first Irak war. and when you say:

USA is the most belic country in the last...century

you're statement is maybe true for the last 2 years and Mr bush , but no way for whole century , your memory seems to be very selective , germany maybe ? 2 world war and 60 millions death isn't enough for you ... USA has done a lot for the world with no real profit in return , lots of mistake too (Pinochet for exemple...)

study more history

You should too...

you are inside the system, and perhaps isnt too late.

LOL and your are :
1) using a computer(microsoft anyone ? if you want to use EQ at least)
2) playing EQ (paying a corporation you didn't started by EQEMu)

I saw real punk in Berlin , and I wasn't that impress , real punk lives in the street not in their confortable house listening to some punk group on major label and playing EQ and then saying how "out of the system" they are...

[Stealth_raptor]

Do you Americans (yes i'm talking about ALL of you) still call Pearl Harbour a stab in the back?

Also, those bombs were dropped on innocent people. Women and children... It is the same as 9/11, except it's only right because America did it and no one really cares that more than a million innocent people were killed.

At this point, you may be thinking, but the Japanese attacked first...Well those terrorists aren't p*ssed off for nothing, go find out why they're annoyed. Also, both targets WERE civilian...

If I ever hear anyone say that the Japanese people deserved that...I can honestly say that you, if you are in your right mind, should be put under hospitalisation. Do you know what happens when an atomic bomb is dropped? Have you seen pictures of the third degree burns people suffer THAT HAVE NOT DIED (ESPECIALLY CHILDREN OF LESS THAN 5 YEARS OF AGE!)?!

[dolanorn]

If I ever hear anyone say that the Japanese people deserved that...I can honestly say that you, if you are in your right mind, should be put under hospitalisation

No of course japanese people didn't deserved that , the fact are that the bomb ended the war , without the bomb most historian agree that the war would have lasted at least one more year, japanese population was fanatized and ready to die for their country, and that would have cost far more innocent lives in final.

Well those terrorists aren't p*ssed off for nothing, go find out why they're annoyed. Also, both targets WERE civilian...

I agree with you it's not the people who start the war who suffer their consequences, Leaders should pay... That remind me of Offpsring: "In a world with no leader, who start the wars ?"

Do you Americans (yes i'm talking about ALL of you) still call Pearl Harbour a stab in the back?

I am not American. Japan was a rogue state since early 30's (invasion of China , Korea 300 000 korean girl were used as sexual slave by japanse army during the war...) I don't see what is so wrong with the idea of a surprise attack... , of course USA and Japan had a influence war in pacific ocean but is that a reason for real war ? Japanese imperialism was well known , USA had an isolationist tradition back then.
Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany (atlantic chart in 1941) but with Japan ? Honestly I'm not an expert of American policy toward Japan back then but you cannot say that 2e WW wasn't a "right" war anyway.

[Farrenz]

I saw real punk in Berlin , and I wasn't that impress , real punk lives in the street not in their confortable house listening to some punk group on major label and playing EQ and then saying how "out of the system" they are...

Not nessicarily, there are alot of different kinds of punks. Punk has more to do with state of mind and the actions you make more than your living conditions.

[DaGrahamster]

I don't agree with dropping the Atom bombs on Japan.

The fact that the war would have lasted longer is not irrelevant at all, but it was based on speculation. The Japanese were not fanatized. Their leaders were. They were drunk on being one of the most powerful countries in the world after hundreds of years of self-imposed exile.

Though I don't agree with what happened at Pearl Harbor, all is fair in love and war, and there is nothing "wrong" with a sneak attack (though I don't believe in violence). And if you know your history at all, it wasn't a stab in the back. The United States ceased to supply Japan with food and munitions (why we were doing so in the first place I don't know) and so they retaliated. By the way, if surprise attacks are all bad and unfair, then what do u have to say about what George Washington did to the German mercenaries during the Revolutionary War. Ya know after he crossed the Deleware River and took them by surprise, drunk after Christmas partying.

And as for why those terrorists are pissed off:
1. They hate Jews for many reasons, the oldest one being the story of Israel and Ishmael. Go find your local Bible and read that story.
2. They hate Westerners (and Christians especially) for many reasons, the oldest being the Crusades. Yes I know that was a loooong time ago, but it was one of the worst acts of pointless slaughter in history. The Muslims were actually rather nice to Jews and Christians before the Crusades. They were free to live in the Islamic Empire....until the Crusades that is. Thats when things turned around.
3. The Gulf War. Americans apparently went into sacred Islamic land in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War and so that's why a lot of Saudi Arabian terrorists are so pissed off.
4. Americans just basically has huge egos that need to be taken down a notch (Their logic not mine, well ok mine too but not with violence)

Just thought yall would like to know.

[Stealth_raptor]

Do you Americans (yes i'm talking about ALL of you) still call Pearl Harbour a stab in the back?


Based upon the fact that in some American schools, students were taught that the attack on Pearl Harbour was a 'stab in the back'.

Edit: If you look deeper...it's believed the American government knew it was going to happen.

Who sends aircraft carriers out to sea without protection?

[Nanwedar]

i'm sory i just can't stand it anymore it's IRAQ not IRAK learn how to spell before you start going off on idiotic rants that only make you look like a complete jackass.

[dolanorn]

A sneak attack is when a country attack another without war declaration so pearl harbour was a sneak attack , even if it was foreseeable.

I saw real punk in Berlin , and I wasn't that impress , real punk lives in the street not in their confortable house listening to some punk group on major label and playing EQ and then saying how "out of the system" they are...

This was against people who says they are "out of the system" (danipunk for exemple :P ). If you live in our society, got a job or go to school you are in the system , my exemple were people that were really "out of the system" not pretending to. You can think by yourself without beeing out of the system IMO.

Punk has more to do with state of mind and the actions you make more than your living conditions.

I totally agree with that.

[dolanorn]

Iraq is spelled Irak in Europe.

[Tertiary]

Iraq is spelled Irak in Europe.

Not in the UK. :wink:

[dolanorn]

Ok it's spell Irak in "continental" Europe 8)

[Nanwedar]

he said he's from spain and currently resides there so it's a misspell and not a diff way of spelling.

[mehltd]

I'm not reading any further because you got me all riled up, so now I'm going to give you a history lesson. Like it or not, this is going to be long.

-How many nations had launched a nuclear bomb to another country? Only USA. Twice, Hiroshima/Nagasaki

Okay, so we dropped two bombs on two foreign cities, killing approximately 400 thousand people (OOPS).. which is a lot, dont get me wrong, but did you ever think of what would have happened if we DIDNT have the bomb?

(OOPS EDIT 1 -- 400,000 people died from the blast, and I forgot to tally in the radation sickness, mutations, and burn victims. I will raise my numbers to approximately 1.5 million people since im considering second and third generation mutations.)

The original plan was to invade japan like we did to europe.. load everyone up on ships and storm each and every freggin island of Japan. The estimated death toll of JUST american soldiers was approximately 2 million.. and the 400 thousand Japanese (OR MORE. :shock:) would probably have also died. Why, do you ask?

The japanese then were raised on the bushido (sp) code, which stated that you are worthless to god and your country if you surrender, or are taken prisoner. The Japanese used to grenade themselves and their families (:o) and children so they were not taken prisoner (but that is a different story all in its own).

It was determined by the military masterminds of the US that dropping the bombs would cause the least amount of casualities, and in my opinion, it probably would have caused less.


-Do you know the number of children that died in the first Irak War in 1991, without counting the adults and women? 130000aprox.


The only way you can come up with that figure is if you tally in the Kurds that were gassed, and all of the civilians that were killed by saddam for not fighting, or for other random reasons.

You could also come up with that figure if you remember that the MEDIA LIES. I do not believe that the United Nations (IT WAS THE UNITED NATIONS WHO WENT INTO IRAQ THE FIRST TIME, NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES. Did you know that Spain was there, killing along with the United States? and by the way, you are spanish, whether you like it or not. there were over 50 countries that comprised the coalition of the first Persian Gulf War).

Now im going to read the REST of the posts, and see if I need to post again.


Okay, read the rest of the posts (and finished this one, :roll: ) and appended the new text on the bottom. thanks for reading all of this.



Trumpcard, do you know how much people had killed the US in the last century?

You neglect to mention other countries that kill people (sometimes randomly), too. Japan and Germany, sure, but what about Iraq, Iran, and Turkey? I hope you get taught about south-west Asia before you finish school.


And if you think a little is logic that if the US had killed 130000 children in Irak, they at least, would try to kill the more americans possible.

Once again, show me where you got that figure from.


Like these, I can say you more and more examples of War and destruction made by the USA , sometimes in name ofthe good fo the world people, or the freedom or... anything.

You are against the capitalist United States, yet you live in the streets? You said you were true punk, and later stated (or someone else did) that true punks live on the streets.

And like that other person (:p) said, youre using a capitalist computer on the capitalist internet, with a capitalist browser typing on your capitalist keyboard. If you hate it so much, go back to (capitalist) punchcards, and hope you can input information that way.


Trump, we are from different cultures, if you think its logic to have differences. But you cant deny that USA is the most belic country in the last...century.

This isnt directed towards me but I'd choose Germany.


I belive in violence, but for change for good. Sometimes Speaking you cant get anything. In that cases violence can be accepted, in others like the USA militars use it, its not accepted.

What is our violence for? Do you think we enjoy sending our youngsters out to get killed? Iraqis arent the only people who are perishing in this world.



Tip for americans: study more history. If your country only has 3centuries of history, at least, you could respect others countries, costumes and history. The word yhat needs these world is RESPECT and, if the powerful country don`t respect noone... the world is in the bad way. I think that humans can live together, without differences. You dont demonstrate us this. You show us that your country doesnt matter how much innocents will die to satisfy the necessities and comodities of all american (not hispan or southamerican, this are the marginals in your society.
You need to see more. I can tell this to you knowing that my country, Spain, wanted to be atacked by USA in year 196x when was the dicatator Franco in the power. And USA wanted to kill him (like Sadam), but in Spain people didnt want Franco and didnt want that USA came here to kill him.... (IS HISTORY REPEATING???)
Maybe.


We dont want Bush. The only way he gets in is if Florida is rigged (again). I personally will not be voting for him, and I am very sure that my parents and friends wont, either.


Learn more, it will help you to open your mind and maybe one day you could discover that effectively you are inside the system, and perhaps isnt too late.

I agree with you, and would like to kindly direct you towards a history book.

Thanks for all the people that hates me, and for the devs , for making 0.5.1 possible, and 05.2 nearly.

We dont hate you and its wrong that we dont, but its right and fine that you hate us.

Yes devs, thanks for the awesome work. :wink:


Marshall Mehean the Mauler,
65 Warrior, BB server.[/b]

[Stealth_raptor]

What is our violence for? Do you think we enjoy sending our youngsters out to get killed? Iraqis arent the only people who are perishing in this world


...Unfortunately.

[arkaria]

...Unfortunately.

Wow it's people like you who are the source of this whole situation/problem.

[three_libra]

I saw this i'm sory i just can't stand it anymore it's IRAQ not IRAK learn how to spell before you start going off on idiotic rants that only make you look like a complete jackass. Come on now, please look past it. This post actually has substance, and the grammar isn't detracting from it. After reading several points of the debate, i think the guys could leave out all vowels and still prove a point. Just what i think . . .

[dolanorn]

he said he's from spain and currently resides there so it's a misspell and not a diff way of spelling.

Sorry I don't get it , you spell Iraq Irak in french , spanish , german it's a spelling mistake in english and ? Is that so important that you need to make a whole post about it and how idiot people are because they spell the same word a different way in their mother tongue ?

[Stealth_raptor]

Maybe I worded that in the wrong way, Arkaria, because I don't see how i'm one of the people that is the cause of the 'whole situation/problem'. What I meant, if this wasn't understandable, was that the death of anyone, including the people of Iraq, is unfortunate.

I in no way endorse killings or wars, however much people think it is necessary. I'm sorry if that was a misunderstanding.

[Jeldorith]

I'm puzzled how this turned into a societic confliction from a CD.

Dani: Do us a favor and grab a life buddy! I don't believe many care about your thoughts on America except your homies,if thats what you PUNKS call them. It's people like you that straddle my last nerve, please, just shut it and take it elsewhere. I find it sad that you have nothing else to do but shit your political babble on a way off topic-topic.

P.S.: http://home.1asphost.com/ascendra/eta_pic.jpg

[Lasiel]

I saw real punk in Berlin , and I wasn't that impress , real punk lives in the street not in their confortable house listening to some punk group on major label and playing EQ and then saying how "out of the system" they are...

Not nessicarily, there are alot of different kinds of punks. Punk has more to do with state of mind and the actions you make more than your living conditions.

'Punk ain't no religious cult. Punk means thinking for yourself.'

or how about...

'What is punk?'

Oh how the somewhat old classics speak volumes eh? Our lil spanish friend sounds more like a wanna be anarchist/fascist than a punk imho.

[DaGrahamster]

Anarchy and fascism are two seperate things.

[mehltd]

I'm puzzled how this turned into a societic confliction from a CD.

Happens quote often. Its known abroad as "Thread Hijacking"


By the way, I have heard some of the songs off the new CD, and theyre alright, but I dont think I'm gonna go run and buy it :)

[twist]

or how about...

'What is punk?'


only thing punk has been since the mid 80s is dead, but its nice to know that there are still people running around with dead kennedy t-shirts and safety pins in thier ears thinking people really care what they call themselves.

[DaGrahamster]

"Punk" is not Green Day or Dead kennedys (though I like both bands) and it doesnt have to do with how you live. The only true punk is the mid/late 70's rock movement against disco and arena rock. Punk is anti-establishment, anti-corporate. Anyone heard of the Sex Pistols? That's real punk.

[Lasiel]

You are joking me right? The Pistols were total sellouts and Malcolm McLaren (sp?) was just some leech that wanted the big bucks for 'assisting' to get them where they got to. Good old Malcolm still has that mindset and pulls the same crap on every band he's ever managed.

Punk originated in the US btw, and was well rooted in the NYC 'scene' long before the Sex Pistols were even a dream.

[DaGrahamster]

Ya the Sex Pistols did sell out. That doesn't mean that they weren't punk whent hey started. They made Punk mainstream in Britain (and the US). I never claimed to like McLaren. He was just their "manager". Plus you can't even compare the Sex Pistols to EVERY SINGLE modern band as sell-outs. Besides The Clash is a much better band anyway.



Punk originated in the US btw, and was well rooted in the NYC 'scene' long before the Sex Pistols were even a dream.

.................BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH

Yes, yes I forgot everything happens in New York first doesn't it? Cuz it is the center of the world isn't it?

[Lasiel]

Do a little research and you'll find more than a few 'punk' bands around LONG before the UK was even aware of it (CBGB anyone?). In fact it was The Ramones that turned a whole generation of UK kids into what turned into punk and since they're a NYC band... Considering I've been a 'punk' since the mid 70's (75 to be exact), I might be a little more aware of when the 'oldschool' punk was big and who originated the base ideologies *shrug*

As for the originating topic? Blink are a bunch of wannabes who know as much about 'punk' as all the little Avril Lavigne wannabes. Unfortunately people seem to think punk is all about the uniform you wear and not the ideologies you stand up for. Most new age punks are nothing more than a mindless bunch of moronic sheep.

[Stealth_raptor]

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Just listing a few topics of each post off the top of my head. This thread hasn't gone too far off topic. :)

[Farrenz]

As for the originating topic? Blink are a bunch of wannabes who know as much about 'punk' as all the little Avril Lavigne wannabes. Unfortunately people seem to think punk is all about the uniform you wear and not the ideologies you stand up for. Most new age punks are nothing more than a mindless bunch of moronic sheep.

Amen

[nixorcist]

I listen to industrial. Bands like - Funker Vogt, Hellsau, Suicide Commando, F.A.V, :wumpscut:, Haujobb, Feindflug...and so on.

We're confused for punks sometimes cuz we have mohawks, wear swat pants, some people wear a lot of obscure sounding band shirts, patches... that kinda stuff.

Instead of being mixed in with punks socially tho, even tho the attitude is very much the same - think for yourself, control yer own destiny, your government hates you and so on, we end up being squished in with the weepy mopey goth community, because someone suggested there is some semblance in the 2 styles of music.

Not even close. Download some Joy Division and then find some Hellsau, you tell me if its close. Ugh.

but anyway. you wanna see some scary peeps, look up hard core rivethead pictures online. We're not dirty and in rags like yer stereotypical punk squatter living in some half build house in downtown Detroit, but we inspire fear in joe average walking down queen street in toronto i can tell you :)

in reply to the original post way back -

I hate Blink, i think its trendy studio producer mass processed tripe - but listen to whatever you want to, its your right to choose.
If you like it. The problem starts when you like something cuz someone else tells you that you should. But lets not get preachy here or we're gonna get into Boobs Spears and Cleavage Agularia or whatever their names are, and thats a can of worms no one needs to open.

- Nix

[DaGrahamster]

Ya i agree with Ramones as being probably the first real Punks, but....they didn't really have the attire....which is a minor detail IMO. You're right it is about the beliefs. And no, the modern-day "punk" bands don't really have 'em or else they've lost their way after becoming famous. People- Green Day, Blink, etc etc these are not punk bands these are >>Alternative<< call it "Nu" punk if u want but whatever.

Hey Lasiel I wear T-shirts and cargo pants, go to a private school in the Bible Belt, but I'm an anarchist and an atheist and a pacifist and anti-corporate and anti-conservative. So even though I don't have the clothes, does that make me punk?

And I still think British people make better punks tho. That accent gives it a little something.

[Lasiel]

Punk is a mindest, so yeah you probably are ;) I know a lot of people who don't even listen to punk or remotely look like punks but have extremely punk ideologies. Hell I'm 39 and haven't looked like a punk for probably a decade, but still hold the same ideologies I used to.

[Bug]

All music is an excuse for Devs and DBers to cease working on their life's work.

[Stealth_raptor]

Their 'life's work' being...what?


Edit: Realised a few days later that I spelt 'their' wrong. lol :D

[danipunk]

I hadnt read all the messages above. I had more important things to do. I don't mind what they said.

In fact, I had seen a message of "I dont know who" that had a image with Spain LOL (or something like this) and that critizises me.

I dont care if you think I am an idiot, its your own opinion, and you had the right of think what you want.

But SPAIN is not cool. Its a big shit, like USA, but a little more poor and without Twisters or hearthquakes. I dont like it. But i was born here and live here too.

Is this a reason for me to be a patriot? No. I am fighting )in the streets, and in associations, to change this shit, this government, this capitalism that you had imposed to the world. But people dont mind on it. Live their lifes. Until they are dead, and they go to the.... heaven? or hell? or what? Whe they die, the began to rotten themselves. Like the corpses on the 11S, that must be on their bones , or the recently Spanish & US soldiers deads in Irak.

Fuck you!! And use your time well, tomorrow you would be dead and had your last breath.

How happy I will be if you die tomorrow! :P

p.d.: Soprry for my english. I didnt grew up knowing it. I had to learn it after, and Im not a perfectly speaker.

WHO SAID I WAS A PUNK??
Im not a punk. I'm anti (against) fascism, anarchist, and FREE (in the way its possible), but my brother and friends are punks, and I know of what im talking. And to be a punk is not only to wear a crest or leather boots, or to listen.... Cockney Rejects or... Suburban Rebels. Is more like this, its a way of life. And who someone can be a punk when he works on MR$OFT company and wins a lot of money? This person dont have the ideals of the punk people, and couldnt be a punk unless he/she says that he/she is.

Do you understand it?

Different cultures/But only one end => FREEDOM for all.
This is a composition that everybody says or thinks, but do you practice it? Or your acts are against? Think around it, and dont reply. Keep your answer for you. :wink:

[Stealth_raptor]

Would this world be a better place if it had one person in it?

If only two people lived in this world, there would still be arguments. If three people lived in this world, there would still be arguments. If more than 7 billion people lived in this world, there would still be arguments. As long as we are human...there will always be arguments, provided that there are more than one of us alive.

I don't like the idea of being 'ruled' or having 'decisions made' by one person or even a group of people either....not many people do, unless they make the decisions THEY like. But we are too narrow minded to think of a way around it. We can think of lots of ways people can be controlled though, such as violence, humiliation, majority, pressure, destruction, poverty and starvation (and even more).

Freedom still only exists within our mind. That is why we were given our mind. Fighting gets us no where and the fact that somehow some idiot came up with the saying (and most people liked it and agreed), "There can be no peace without war", shows exactly WHY WE HAVE NO PEACE. We find it too difficult to think of any other way and even when we do, we hardly EVER pursue it.

[danipunk]

you have not reason with it.
Freedom could be possible, but a part of us didnt want.
I can "forget" all the past and began a new world. Its possible.But there are a lot of people with hate keep inside himself and cant forget. This is the very problem.
A new world is possible, with no war and collaboration togheter, but there are many minds closed, and Today, this world is impossible.
I think that 1 day this world came us...

[Trumpcard]

You talk about a new world without war, and at the same time you advocate violence against innocents and anarchy...

You dont have a clue what you're talking about..

I'm finally locking this thread, which i should have long ago. If you continue your bullshit, I'll ban/lock your email addresses (which btw is a free mail host, explicitly against our rules) , and make sure you dont get back into EQEMU. This is your final warning regarding this...

I am not against free rights or free speech, but I had friends that were crying that they had family that would never be coming home for Christmas again after 9/11 while you and your friends 'celebrated' the great victory against 5000 innocent international mothers, fathers, and children... Im past the point in being annoyed by your ignornance and calous remarks....



I dont care if you think I am an idiot, its your own opinion, and you had the right of think what you want.


Good... You would have trouble sleeping at night then if you understood my opinion of your intellect at this point.