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Shadow-Wolf
02-29-2004, 02:50 PM
I also post this on my old eq guild website..
i am getting tired of these friggin moms(sorry to any moms heh) against something kids like(moms against this moms against that give up already!) groups i just read this article on the MAVAV(Mothers Against Videogame Addiction and Violence) right here http://www.mavav.org/resources/ and i just have to say they are stupid the facts they have are completely wrong. here is my revised version of that article for Gamers Against Mothers Agianst Videogame Addiction and Violence(althought i am against real life violence)(my own little %^&* i hate you group)

Videogames: The Frightening Truth that the MAVAV cant stand!:

Fact: Videogames are now a hobby or a fun thing to pass time and yes game makers are taking advantage of it just like model plane companys they are taking advantage of the idea that people like to build model airplanes!

Fact: Videogames have been proven to stimulate the development of the proper social skills and interaction needed for a long happy and enjoyable life. Young gamers are prone to being enlightened with happyness and peace all throughout their life

Fact: Health studies have found that even those casual gamers suffer from high self-esteem and self-pride compared to their athletic and more socially accepted peers in their same age group. Young gamers were found to be more likely to become smart and becoming social outcasts(and thats a bad thing??).


Fact: Hardcore gaming not only leads to intellect and good changes, but to law and order as well. Hardcore gamers never buy computer videogames(im a hardcore gamer and only 1 of my games left on this coputer is warez). Instead, downloading illegally copied videogames or

Wumpas
02-29-2004, 07:22 PM
Bwahahahahaha

Wow good read thank you

I needed this for my mom to read 5 years ago

Keep this kind of work coming lol

Mrwalsh
02-29-2004, 11:39 PM
Wow.

So...people really are that dumb!

x-scythe
03-02-2004, 04:27 PM
i will keep the next so called "fact" the mavav made up:
Symptom: Unusual "Role-Playing"
Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games (MMORPG) is a digital escape from the real world for emotionally unhealthy and mentally unstable people. It is a place for computer enthusiasts and social outcasts to gather un-bothered and un-harassed by the realities of real life.


omg...that "fact" is total BS...i play because its...fun? wtf? i mean...there may be some people who play to escape real life problems...but the majority or people play for fun. something these people probably dont understand/have never experienced. so lame...

RexChaos
03-02-2004, 04:56 PM
I believe there may be some moms out there who need to get laid more often...

NumberBlue
03-03-2004, 09:21 AM
Although some of their statements do hold some truth, most of their blame is misguided or incorrectly divided among the entertainment industry.

Sure, in a video game you may actually get the chance to "kill" something, but what about movies, that have infinitely better graphics, and are so main streamed that killing turns out to be very "cool" in many cases.

Books turn into movies, movies turn into videogames. So, how is that videogames get all of the blame? I'm not saying books are bad in any way, but come on, videogames the root of all evil, give me a break.

If your kid thinks it's alright to go out and kill people, then the only one to blame is yourself, for not TEACHING your kid right from wrong. From not taking the time to listen to their problems and give them some damn support in life when the only other place to turn was escaping life altogether. You failed as a parent when you allowed your child to be SO INFLUENCED by an outside source, that it over ruled everything you ever did, or didn't do, for that kid.

Of course, for some people it's too late, but seriously, every negative thing they described on that page, has been happening since long before the introduction of videogames and the thought of addiction to them.

Well, that stuff makes me sick, and although as I said, some of what they say has some merit, most of it is complete bullshit or misguided blame.

/rant off

Hope that made some sense, or some contribution to this post.

RexChaos
03-03-2004, 09:29 AM
This crap has been going on since before I was a teenager in the mid 80's. Back then they blamed D&D for kids killing people. Before that it was Judas Priest. I listened to JP and I played D&D and I've never killed anyone...yet. ;)

It's a worthless discussion really. I'm ashamed I even posted a comment to it though. :)

I do however, still stand by my claim that those mothers need to get some action...

samandhi
03-03-2004, 05:12 PM
I cant believe I am posting to this also hehe.. But:

The mothers are peeved because there are all these things out there that THEY dont like, and want to keep from reaching their children's hands. The problem lies not with the video game makers, but within the parenting abilities. Most mothers out there (namely the ones complaining the most) do NOT know how to control the content that reaches their children... Trust me, I live with one of them, and we often fight about me being what she calls "Adolf Hitler" with her children. I will NOT let them watch movies that are rated R and even some that are PG13 (they are 9 and 13). So, in a way I DO understand where they are coming from, but dont condone the fact that they are blaming everyone but themselves.

An example of this hypocrasy (if you will), is ciggerettes, or even cars.. Parents dont allow their children to smoke at those ages (well, most dont anyhow), and they dont let them drive cars till they are a certain age... Does the fact that driving is VERY dangerous make it the car company's fault when a child does something he/she is not supposed to do? No, it is the parent's fault for not guiding them properly in the right direction... N'uff said... Though I could go on and on <smile>.

Windcatcher
03-04-2004, 09:34 AM
There was a time (my age will show here) when HBO and Cinemax would *not* show any R-rated movies before 8pm. Now they'll show anything at just about any time. Sign of the times, I guess... :evil:

WC

Shadow-Wolf
03-04-2004, 10:00 AM
lol wind you know you like it now that they play r movies all the time now :twisted:

Windcatcher
03-04-2004, 01:28 PM
Actually it makes me very angry. Many of my friends have small children now and I don't like it that it's harder for them to keep their kids away from this stuff. I'm not in their shoes yet, but that doesn't mean I won't in the future. If I was in their shoes, it would make my blood boil. As for myself, I'm 34 -- if I want to see an R-rated movie, I'll go rent it or buy it.

WC

x-scythe
03-04-2004, 02:14 PM
personally i like the fact that they play R-rated movies anytime now...i think it is stupid that you have to be 17 to see an R-rated movie in theaters...yet i can watch one anytime on HBO (and can even watch the occasional softcore :twisted: )...but it tends not to matter anyways cus me being 16 me and my friends always sneak into R-rated movies anyways :P

argar
03-04-2004, 03:35 PM
a kid who went to school with me his parents didnt ever let him play games, he graduated , with full college scholarship. He got to college, played a video game and ended up not ever going to class because he had never played one and never really had fun.so if a parent keeps there kids from playing video games eventualy they will leave the parents and meet video games..

RexChaos
03-05-2004, 05:50 AM
AHHH!!! Please please please! Let's not give any more credit to these nimrods. Let this discussion go. Save yourselves! Let's get back to playing some violent games okay? ;)

ryder911
03-05-2004, 08:20 AM
BULL SHIT

MMORPG videogames were recently labeled as one of the top 10 leading causes of students dropping out of high school.

This article is horrible. It trys to make sterotype more than anything. My grade havent dropped because of EQ or DAoC. I'm not unhealthy. The lady who wrote this should be one to talk about people being unhealthym, I guarantee that she is overwieght :D 62% of americans are over weight and 26% are over weight, just wait there going to start saying that EQ made all these people overweight and obese. Im in better shape then most people my age. Makes kids be social outcast? Ya ok, i beleive that. Kids who are social outcast are usually social outcast before they play mmorpg's and become "hardcore" gamers. If a kid who has a parent who smothers him like these parents want to do I gaurantee the kid is going to be a social outcast.

DeletedUser
03-05-2004, 11:48 AM
I am insulted by that website in every way, who do they think they are to catagorize gamers like that?

Let me catagorize them then:
They are idiots who have no life but to blame their own personal problems on a group of people who have done NOTHING to them (this happens way too much in life), and also have the stupidity to attempt statistics (lets see their education if gamers do so poorly at school), on top of that obviousely their husbands left them for some reason (hah bet they found out the game was more enjoyable than their wife).

hey MAVAV I hope someone hacks your website and makes complete asses out of you.

Stealth_raptor
03-06-2004, 01:47 AM
Fact: Videogames aren't just for "fun" anymore, the videogame industry made a net income of $6.3 billion in 2002, surpassing even the movie industry. Developers profit and continue to take advantage of today's youth with cute, loveable, addictive, and recognizable franchise characters. A practice and strategy similar to those used by the tobacco industry.

- What do the sentences that follow the leading one have to do with it? Usually, those 'characters' emerge in games that are immensely popular for one reason...They are good and exciting to play!



Fact: Videogames have been proven to prevent the development of the proper social skills and interaction needed for a long happy and enjoyable life. Young gamers are prone to being burdened with depression and sadness all throughout their life.

-This is the common stereotype of young gamers. While, this should NOT BE CALLED A FACT, there is some truth to it... However, some 'young gamers', i'm sure, do not spend 10 hours a day playing games and do have friends that they will go and see from time to time, or invite over....but there are some exceptions, sadly.

The next sentence really gets to me...Young gamers WILL MORE THAN LIKELY NOT be prone to being burdened with depression and sadness throughtout their life... Depression is a common thing in this world and sometimes the triggers for it are not even known. To state that videogames will cause young gamers to be prone to depression and social deficiencies is totally and utterly stupidity.



Fact: Health studies have found that even those casual gamers suffer from low self-esteem and self-pride compared to their athletic and more socially accepted peers in their same age group. Young gamers were found to be more likely to become lifetime gaming addicts and becoming social outcasts.

-I am sick and tired of this 'social outcast' bulls**t that they continue to throw at everyone. I'm sure all of these 'young gamers' have friends that they can talk with and hang out with.

Be sure to notice they placed this strategically in, "even those casual gamers suffer from low self-esteem and self-pride compared to their ATHELETIC and more sociallly ACCEPTED peers in their same age group." Key words are in caps. Now, playing video games does not mean you're fat, underweight or in any way unhealthy. I do a lot of exercise...probably more than 97% of people in my region and give myself adequate rest and I do not see myself as socially unaccepted as I DO HAVE many friends which I like to hang out with from time to time. Having been a videogamer for more than 6 years...I have seen no social deficiency in my life, no poorness of any kind. In fact, I enjoy my life more than most others.




Fact: Hardcore gaming not only leads to videogame addiction and abrupt lifestyle changes, but to crime and felony as well. Hardcore gamers never buy computer videogames. Instead, downloading illegally copied videogames or

kathgar
03-06-2004, 02:39 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/01/07/hln.game.internet.hoaxes/
http://a.parsons.edu/~dyoo/2002-3/interactivity/mavav/
Was also on penny arcade, slashdot, pvponline.. everywhere basically...

Stealth_raptor
03-07-2004, 12:04 AM
I laughed when I found out it was a hoax. Was good to argue the points though and challenge the stereotypical nonsense that videogamers commonly deal with.