Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.

[devn00b]

Goodbye for good everyone. I have had the final straw. After 2 almost 3 years of devotion to eqemu and its members im done. I will not stand herea and take the treatment I have been given the last week by the current developers. This post will probly be locked and deleted. Image left the dev team, wich would be fine. Except 2 seconds later my irc server was delinked and banned from the network. My irc name was suspended from nickserv, And to top it all off my admin here once again removed.

This is total bullshit. I wasnt even fucking arround for 3 days realy to know wtf was going on. I dont care what image did, or said. I am not image. I have never done anything to harm this project. I have done nothing but give. I will not come back to this project till wiz/melwin/LE are all gone. Maybe then I would consider comming back.

Now that was just my treatment. Now ive seen what happened with image, and that is a horror story all on its own, wich i'll leave for him to tell. If they havent banned him. Oh wait, they deleted his account, oops!

Finally, I would like to make everyone realize that the project control was never LethalEncounter's. Image had control of the SourceForge project as Project Manager (which was the source of where this project started). LE took control of the donated server, domain under for his own personal control (which was YOUR donations) and revoked Image's access. So in a sense you are now donating to a rogue group of developers. If they wanted to break off they should have done so without crippling the current EQEMu project (They wanted to break off into their own project, but instead they did so by taking over current parts of the project).

Fairwell EQEMu Sorry to see the fucktards ruin you. The developers talk about everyone having a say. Everyone is supposed to vote what dev gets on the team and who gets booted. I never got such a vote. The current team can talk alot of bullshit but they dont back it. I should be reinstated to full access untill a vote can be held. Image as well since I never saw a vote to remove his access.

Anyway I digress, anyone wants to reach me just hit me up at cronikus@cronikus.com

[bbum]

what do you want to change to make you happy? dont say wiz/melwin/LE leaving, thats just stupid.

[dark_one]

sad how good the project used to be...

now i guess its just a power trip for the devs...
anyways,

later devn00b was great having you around

[dark_one]

by the way:

bbum... what other reasons should he have?

[bUsh]

Why all the h8?

Smoke a bowl and give hugs!

The drama must stop, or at least become a mildly entertaining spanish soap opera.

[devn00b]

what do you want to change to make you happy? dont say wiz/melwin/LE leaving, thats just stupid.

None of them have done programming for the project recently, Image started working on getting EQEMu working with live again. He has been a long standing developer, LONG LONG before even lethalencounter and has not only contributed far more but has most likely more knowledge of getting it up to date faster

[dark_one]

Bush, dont you wish it was that easy?

some devs even high would act like asses and whiny bitches..

[bbum]

what do you want to change to make you happy? dont say wiz/melwin/LE leaving, thats just stupid.

None of them have done programming for the project recently, Image started working on getting EQEMu working with live again. He has been a long standing developer, LONG LONG before even lethalencounter and has not only contributed far more but has most likely more knowledge of getting it up to date faster

...but what has to change to keep you around, image being welcomed back? them leaving being the only way youll come back is stupid. they want to contribute to eqemu and so do you.

[Blakkjak]

Much respect devn00b ..see ya later, Shit getting crazy around here.

[Rogean]

Except 2 seconds later my irc server was delinked and banned from the network. My irc name was suspended from nickserv, And to top it all off my admin here once again removed.


The only reason that those were taken away was that image could have or gotten access to them. Lethal has since offered your irc link back as long as image doesn't have an ircop and etc.

I have nothing against you dev, and I'm sure thats how the other developers feel. But many of us know how close you and image were. Hell, if its true that you weren't the one that removed SCM, Then image had access to it right? And if thats so, he had access to more than just that.

[dark_one]

they want to contribute to eqemu and so do you.

apparently not...
firing the lead coding dev dosnt sound like its contributing to me...

sounds like someone(people) bitch and get their way... even if it is going to make the project go down... basically they might of just fucked over the entire project just to get their way about one dev...

and who the fuck gets hired to a dev team for writing messages on a forum?

yea, it boggles my mine too... :roll:

[devn00b]

Except 2 seconds later my irc server was delinked and banned from the network. My irc name was suspended from nickserv, And to top it all off my admin here once again removed.


The only reason that those were taken away was that image could have or gotten access to them. Lethal has since offered your irc link back as long as image doesn't have an ircop and etc.

I have nothing against you dev, and I'm sure thats how the other developers feel. But many of us know how close you and image were. Hell, if its true that you weren't the one that removed SCM, Then image had access to it right? And if thats so, he had access to more than just that.

Image was given SCM access because he is the project administrator (senior to LE). Image had access to SCM and thats it. oh and gimped oper on my server OMG!. As for the offer to relink as I said to doodman, removing image and I was a violation of the " rules " that everyone agreed to abide by. Everyone agreed to vote on issues. Looking at the dev section, I saw no vote for image and I. Great job there make the rules just to break them.

I think its sad that even tuxracer got a vote before he was removed.

[Wiz]

sad how good the project used to be...

now i guess its just a power trip for the devs...
anyways,

later devn00b was great having you around

Actually, what happened recently was all about getting rid of the powertripping devs like image.

[Wiz]

Um, devn00b. Image was removed because when he tried to override a voted decision saying he didn't like voting and wouldn't abide by them, because he was an ADMINISTRATOR, he said he would pull loose from the project and cut everyone's access to Sourceforge and SCM and so on.

Yeah.

[Richardo]

devn00b > * + baby jeebus


that is all.



c|2@c|<

[devn00b]

Um, devn00b. Image was removed because when he tried to override a voted decision saying he didn't like voting and wouldn't abide by them, because he was an ADMINISTRATOR, he said he would pull loose from the project and cut everyone's access to Sourceforge and SCM and so on.

Yeah.

Thats fine but your treatment of me. The senior member of the team is deplorable. even other memebers of the team agree. Your words are hollow...you all say one thing and do another....No one had any right to remove my access. remove my nick from irc and remove my admin here. As i have stated image has no access to anything. sept my irc server. I still dont see a vote for my removal. and i still dont see my access back...your all hypocrites.

[Memener]

Hmmmm I hate to see you go /dev/n00b...


All I know is one day image was talking about the packect collector asking for everone to get logs and the next day poof he was gone....
And i was told he had just left.


Most of the people here like me that have been here for 1 or 2+ years dont have a clue on whats going on....


/dev/n00b maybie one day you'll come back :)

[Blakkjak]

and who the fuck gets hired to a dev team for writing messages on a forum?


^almost fell out my chair laughing.

[Rogean]

[7:21PM] <~LethalEncounter> the majority has voted him in, and your vote about the 75% rule has had 5 votes against it and 0 votes for it
[7:22PM] <&image> obviously you aren't getting me
[7:27PM] <&image> lethal
[7:27PM] <&image> if you want to webmaster that site
[7:27PM] <&image> go ahead
[7:28PM] <&image> but thats not the project anymore
[7:28PM] <~LethalEncounter> ok, if you want to break away from the project go ahead
[7:28PM] <&image> no, you are the one breaking away
[7:29PM] <&image> your SF access has been revoked
[7:29PM] <&image> your SCM has been revoked
[7:29PM] <&image> you will not be receiving ST
[7:29PM] <&image> there is a few of us that are fed up with this
[7:29PM] <&image> im going to spend my weekend getting EQEMu working with live

I'm sorry.. We are suppose to drop everything we are doing right there and make a vote, while he is strolling around with the potential to start deleting everything and generally causing chaos?

[Rogean]

Thats fine but your treatment of me. The senior member of the team is deplorable. even other memebers of the team agree. Your words are hollow...you all say one thing and do another....No one had any right to remove my access. remove my nick from irc and remove my admin here. As i have stated image has no access to anything. sept my irc server. I still dont see a vote for my removal. and i still dont see my access back...your all hypocrites.

dev, You were never removed, only your access was temporarily revoked until we were sure image didn't have access to it. Now that we have gotten to the point where you say he doesn't have access anymore, we have unsuspended your irc nick, and we have offered to unjupe your irc server..

[bbum]

they dont want you to stop working on eqemu, you dont want to stop wroking on eqemu, they obviously thought getting rid of image was a right step for eqemu, and devnoob does not mind that image is gone, and they basicly said sorry for taking away devnoob's leet status. whats the problem here? your willing to give devnoob his status back right? what else could devnoob want to convince him not to leave heheh

[omeraltay]

Well i think it was all a misunderstanding Rogaen explained the situation. Lets all get along...

[dark_one]

sad how good the project used to be...

now i guess its just a power trip for the devs...
anyways,

later devn00b was great having you around

Actually, what happened recently was all about getting rid of the powertripping devs like image.

weird, the way i see it... you (lethal, melwin) take image out of power for his "power trip" but you give status to people who don't do shit for the project.. funny how things work, people who actually code arouned here get fucked, and people that read forums and move topics get rewarded...


nice 'team'

[Rogean]

No matter how many times I tell darkone, he doesn't get it that image was not removed because we liked MELWIN so much that we WANTED HIM so bad over image. No. image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote, and then after a conversation with lethal, as you can see above, continues to remove our access from sourceforge, SCM, etc.

Anyways, this is NOT THE SUBJECT. This thread is about devn00b, not image. So please do not post about image again unless it has to do with devn00b.

devn00b: Your nick has been unsuspended on IRC. Your welcome to join #eqemucoders and we can talk about this. Thats all we wanted from you in the first place, just for you to come on, let us know that image doesn't have any access, and we'll be happy to give you more access back.

[dark_one]

and who the fuck gets hired to a dev team for writing messages on a forum?


^almost fell out my chair laughing.


blakkjak i wish it was a joke...


actually, wiz lethal or melwin...
do i meet the requirements to be a dev?

[dark_one]

No. image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote, and then after a conversation with lethal, as you can see above, continues to remove our access from sourceforge, SCM, etc.

i didn't know all the 'dev' team members made the decision...

and i do believe it has something to do with image, since devn00b's being banned and his server removed revolves around this same 'incident'

[Rogean]

and i do believe it has something to do with image, since devn00b's being banned and his server removed revolves around this same 'incident'

dev was never banned, his access was just temporarily revoked.

and yes, this started off with image, but discussing how image was removed has nothing to do with discussing why devn00b's access was revoked. I have posted above waiting for devn00b's reply. He can either reply or come onto the irc and we can discuss this.

[dark_one]

also... rogean...

the dev team obviously has biased views against devn00b and/or image... if devn00bs access was removed for fear of having access to other things was LE's BS's Khuong yours or anyone elses dev access removed?? just a thought...

another thing,
its obvious everyone ganged up on image just beacuse he made and executive decision that melwin was not fit for the part, which in my opinion is completly right... you say that the dev team all has the same voice.. rogean, that cannot be possible, you must have some kind of leadership in projects like this, in buisness projects, in anything... you cannot have everyone with the same ammount of authority, image obviously should of had higher voting status than you or any of the other devs excluding lethal for reasons i don't know... and if this was not true, then your leadership team is most defiantly flawed.

the point is, you always have to have some kind of leadership and frankly image is the only one up to the job, then and now..

[Ace]

While not directly addressing Image, this snippet does get me interested:

[7:29PM] <&image> im going to spend my weekend getting EQEMu working with live

Is this doable in a weekend?

[dark_one]

yes ace if you are basically finished with it anyways...

[devn00b]

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

[Darkwaters]

Wow to say the least sorry to hear you wish to leave /dev/noob.
As far as the way this system has changed over the last few years and I mean years because Lethal came to this board long after I did when this project first started. I've left and come back a few times because the game just gets to you this way. But folks your supposed to be a TEAM which means pulling through the tough shit like your fucking family and getting off your fucking high horses. I mean all of ya. I have more knowledge of O/S than all of you here don't make me special and it certainly doesnt make me a coder. I see one failure, you all try your asses off, expect the same glory over and over; from each flame, to each success, to pointing out where something could be done, but no one wants to or my fucking favorite my server is too L33t to have to worry bout even though its not fucking up yet. This was probably the L33test place to be a few years ago and your all turning into fucking cry babies. Get over it and don't flame me cuz if you were honest just one fucking time in your life you'd see your spending all this time bitching or expecting something and dangling taking the shit away even though others have put the same type of commitment into testing, db's, being here on the forum helping peeps and chattin it up, bug reporting, packet collecting, etc etc etc. The real point is cut the shit, work like a team, or go on and leave a community of people that actually give a shit about the project and understand your commitments.
This was probably the worst attitude I've ever seen. I'm disabled so flame me but realize I speak nothing but the truth. If you really were that concerned about the project why the hell isn't there a back-up somewhere for purposes of such issues like Image?
I'm staying, but I'm freaking pissed you all would stoop to such levels here knocking each other over petty differences when you all seem to wish the same end result.
Fucking confused,
Darkwaters

[Rogean]

also... rogean...

the dev team obviously has biased views against devn00b and/or image... if devn00bs access was removed for fear of having access to other things was LE's BS's Khuong yours or anyone elses dev access removed?? just a thought...

another thing,
its obvious everyone ganged up on image just beacuse he made and executive decision that melwin was not fit for the part, which in my opinion is completly right... you say that the dev team all has the same voice.. rogean, that cannot be possible, you must have some kind of leadership in projects like this, in buisness projects, in anything... you cannot have everyone with the same ammount of authority, image obviously should of had higher voting status than you or any of the other devs excluding lethal for reasons i don't know... and if this was not true, then your leadership team is most defiantly flawed.

the point is, you always have to have some kind of leadership and frankly image is the only one up to the job, then and now..

Darkone, We all agreed that issues would be voted on. Thats what we were doing, voting. Then image felt like he had to start removing our access to SCM/SF when he didn't get his way.

devn00b's access was temporarily removed because, as I have said before, most of us know how close image and dev were, and the possibilities that image had access to a lot of dev's things.

[bbum]

image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote

hmm one vote started all this.. ive found when you have to vote on issues instead of talk to an agreement its never a good sign for a dev team :D ..can you tell us what the vote was on? im just curious.. must be somethin huge if it caused image to do that stuffs.. he must of felt really strong about whatever it was

[Darkwaters]

There's more to the story than a simple vote and it's only fair we know it after all the rip-roaring flamage I've witnessed in just one thread.
Still pissed about the way people are acting atm
Darkwaters

[Rogean]

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

Read my post above. I have also said the same thing in a previous post.

If that's how you feel dev, then it was good to know you. If indeed you would have stayed if this situation had not happened then I am sorry we did not communicate in a better fashion. Good luck.

[dark_one]

image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote

hmm one vote started all this.. ive found when you have to vote on issues instead of talk to an agreement its never a good sign for a dev team :D ..can you tell us what the vote was on? im just curious.. must be somethin huge if it caused image to do that stuffs.. he must of felt really strong about whatever it was

bbum... they invited someone who 'piggs' people on the fucking forums to be a developer...

my god... could it be that image was right?


god damn he fucking did nothing and image did everything...
*gasp* could it be that image is right and the devs were wrong?
wow... would that be much of a change?

[devn00b]

It was because image (myself included in this as we where talking one night) thought it was stupid that somone that isnt a real dev (melwin) should have admin status to the board while somone else who is a real dev (doodman) doesnt. And also having too many people with Admin access to the forums is a bad idea for the simple fact that it makes it easyer for a hacker to gain access to the system. Alot easyer to find 1 weak password out of 10, than to find 1 weak password out of 4.

[bbum]

theres nothing wrong with having board moderators who arnt devs. melwin is a good mod too btw

and just becaues they can contribute to eqemu doesnt make them a good forum mod.

[Rogean]

It was because image (myself included in this as we where talking one night) thought it was stupid that somone that isnt a real dev (melwin) should have admin status to the board while somone else who is a real dev (doodman) doesnt. And also having too many people with Admin access to the forums is a bad idea for the simple fact that it makes it easyer for a hacker to gain access to the system. Alot easyer to find 1 weak password out of 10, than to find 1 weak password out of 4.

A vote for giving melwin forum admin access was made because melwin was the only person that was trying to organize and pull the boards together. Most (if not all) of the current admins werent doing anything about this.

I honostly doubt that the real reason that you voted no was because 'it makes it easier for hackers'.

But, once again, the point of removing image was not that we wanted melwin so bad, it was that we established the rule that we vote on issues like these, and image felt like he had to override and remove our access when he didn't get his way.

[dark_one]

theres nothing wrong with having board moderators who arnt devs. melwin is a good moderator to btw

its not a hard job... if you can read, if you can type, if you can click a mouse
you've got access..

[dark_one]

the point is, you always have to have some kind of leadership and frankly image is the only one up to the job, then and now..

tell me if im wrong...

[Darkwaters]

It really should have been 2 Forum Admins maybe 3 for off vote for ties. The rest get access to a special forum of their own special talents to work there and leave the general public a way to post their issues in a forum regulated by the Forum Admins not the special talent forums users. ie 3rd party, world building, etc
Would have eliminated a large number of access right issues and those 2 or 3 admins would be the main peeps while special talent groups could chose a moderator for their respective forum. Just an idea for the next saga.
Hope someone realizes out of all of you that it really sucks to see people I know were awesome back in the day all working together now siding one way or the other. The side you all ought to be on is clear EQEmu. Well I get to head to the hospital tomorrow for surgery I hope my account is still here after saying I was upset by this thread. So my comments are done I can't spare anymore aggrivated frustration atm. I really hope you all can come together and work this out.
Darkwaters

[bbum]

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

your not comming back because of 'the way the team is now' ... try being alittle more specific.. tell them what you want to happen before you return..

[dark_one]

I have done nothing but give. I will not come back to this project till wiz/melwin/LE are all gone. Maybe then I would consider comming back.

....

[Blakkjak]

Quit dodging Darkones posts and accept the truth.

[Wiz]

Um, devn00b. Image was removed because when he tried to override a voted decision saying he didn't like voting and wouldn't abide by them, because he was an ADMINISTRATOR, he said he would pull loose from the project and cut everyone's access to Sourceforge and SCM and so on.

Yeah.

Thats fine but your treatment of me. The senior member of the team is deplorable. even other memebers of the team agree. Your words are hollow...you all say one thing and do another....No one had any right to remove my access. remove my nick from irc and remove my admin here. As i have stated image has no access to anything. sept my irc server. I still dont see a vote for my removal. and i still dont see my access back...your all hypocrites.

As far as I knew at the time your access was pulled, you had been doing a DOS attack and cooperated with image on pulling CVS.

If these two are false, I would have nothing at all against reinstating you.

[Wiz]

image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote

hmm one vote started all this.. ive found when you have to vote on issues instead of talk to an agreement its never a good sign for a dev team :D ..can you tell us what the vote was on? im just curious.. must be somethin huge if it caused image to do that stuffs.. he must of felt really strong about whatever it was

bbum... they invited someone who 'piggs' people on the fucking forums to be a developer...

my god... could it be that image was right?


god damn he fucking did nothing and image did everything...
*gasp* could it be that image is right and the devs were wrong?
wow... would that be much of a change?

Melwin is not a developer. He's a community manager. He has no access to coders or CVS.

You = dumb.

[Wiz]

Ignoring all dark_ones little stupid jabs about my apparent lack of work for the project (nvm that I JUST put a big thing into CVS), let me explain the entire situation and how it went down.

Essentially, it started with drama over Melwin having admin access to moderate forums. Note. Admin access to forums. This does not mean he was a developer or had dev powers or CVS access or anything. Okay?

Now, image didn't want him to be admin, and since devs had agreed to vote on issues, image made a vote for wheter Melwin should be admin. Vote turned out 6-5 in favor of Melwin (7-5 but Melwin voted, that was voided, lol).

Right after losing the vote, image made a vote that forum admins needed 75% approval. Which was shot down. After losing that too, image went on an outburst in IRC and kept talking about how he never agreed to voting and it was his project and so on. Basically he was playing King Image of EQemu. LE refused to give in, and they argued, so image did the "ok ill pull all access" deal. And the split was a fact.

devn00b.net was disconnected since image had access there and image has proven himself to be childish and vengeful before. now, a lot of DOS attacks started hitting the EQemu box from what LE said to be on of devn00b's server, and that devn00b along with image had pulled CVS access from everyone else. I have no idea if he was right on that or not, but that's why your access was pulled, devn00b. If it was wrong I apologize, and so should LE imho. Image did spout off on how you would shut down anything you ran because you were with him, etc.

That's essentially the whole of it. If you want to consider me a bad guy in this, devn00b, go for it. But I really never wanted anything else than getting rid of the powertripping. Was so fucking tired of image crying because someone edited his rules post or something.

[Memener]

voting is for devs right?

if so they vote on what?

I mean I just asking... I like working with eqemu and I am starting to work on qeusts for ProjectEQ... I would be a coder but everone beats me to what I want to do...(which is ok..) Anyway I would just like a heads up.... I saw that the project is going to spilt up..?
If so what are they going to split into...?


this is semi of topic but seems to be the best time to ask :)

[Wiz]

voting is for devs right?

if so they vote on what?

I mean I just asking... I like working with eqemu and I am starting to work on qeusts for ProjectEQ... I would be a coder but everone beats me to what I want to do...(which is ok..) Anyway I would just like a heads up.... I saw that the project is going to spilt up..?
If so what are they going to split into...?


this is semi of topic but seems to be the best time to ask :)

Split as in split between image and the rest. Image took his toys and left.

We vote for major things like adding devs, big changes, etc.

[Memener]

Split as in split between image and the rest. Image took his toys and left.


Oh ok i see :) Thanks for the fast reply!

[sotonin]

Good riddens to image then. The project has no room for shit like that honestly. Voting is a good system and nobody should have "my way or the highway" authority.

I think the project will only grow stronger with their absence

[Shadow-Wolf]

What angers me is I have been trying to get my packetlogs submited for DAYS. For some reason I cant get atachments to work with hotmail or walla, So I told Image and asked him if i could send it through IRC and he AGREED. It seems like hes the only one who would take them, i have been trying to send them but all ive ben getting is being ignored BUT Image listened and he happily started downloading even though the file was only moving at 1kb per sec and wouldn't be done for 40 minutes.

Melwin is not a developer. He's a community manager. He has no access to coders or CVS.

There is more to being a community manager than just moving posts and moderating forums, now mind you I have NOTHING against melwin I think its about time someone started enforcing the rules. Yet I only see melwin as a moderater, not admin.

[fnemo]

LE took control of the donated server, domain under for his own personal control (which was YOUR donations) and revoked Image's access. So in a sense you are now donating to a rogue group of developers. If they wanted to break off they should have done so without crippling the current EQEMu project (They wanted to break off into their own project, but instead they did so by taking over current parts of the project).

Just my 2 copper. I was telling me so...
For times now, Wiz/Melwin tries to get more and more control and override this project for their own in many way : discredit about members, discredit about others' projects ...

What I may ask is :
- Wiz did almost nothing for EQemu . Only for WR or what he planned ?
- Melwin wasn't, isn't and will never be a (good) Public Relation guy
- WR is loosing money about its hosting ... next month every thing would be ok ?
- why, every times a dev or an important member of this project leaves, bullshits appear ?

It appears to me that the dumbass are not who we think of at first ?
Hogie left because his receive bad traitment about receiving most of the donations.... he was doing all the hosting part ... there was no problem about hosting, etc for this project and some third projects ...
others left because of bad treatment. Cause of this bad treatment ? they disagreed some of the "current" dev (understand, by those days)
others left because they asked several times to get rid of dumbassness a certain way but due to their age in this project, they were throught out
...

All this to say, don't say Amen to what you see or what people tell you... Just grab all advice, all informations from both sides and you will be largely surprised.

EQemu is not dead. What is dead is the first day spirit :
offer a new way to play EQ and an alternative to SOE.

Today, and what comes first in mind when most of you talk about EQ is : WR ...
Wiz is a dev .... the tag says so ... I'm not really sure for the rest
Melwin (WR member) as public relation for EQ ? hmmm ....

Former EQ devteam members leaving more and more and tons of reasons (true or false, I don't really care ... for now) .... hmmm ....

Like i say often,
Nothing else to add, your Honor ![/list]

[devn00b]

Dos attack from my server eh? Lets see here.

PING soulblighters.com (207.36.232.31)
PING cronikus.com (207.36.232.31)

those are my two domains, as you can see they are on the same box. if a dos attack came from that ip then it was me. if not...

Wheres the logs? thats a pretty bold accusation to make there wiz.

[Melwin]

There's a lot of misinformation going on in this thread.

First of all, I'm not a developer. I'm not a public relations guy. I'm some dude who moderates the forums, and I'll be damned if I'm cutting anyone any more slack than the next guy. I have forum admin status because I need forum admin status to do what I do. If I couldn't ban, edit profiles, manage forums and usergroups and set status I'd be bugging the everliving fuck out of the "ideal" four admins that devn00b proposed just so I could do my job. A job I have because noone else on the team wants/has the time to do it, by the way.

Wiz works on the project a lot, too, by the way. He and Fathernitwit spent some long hours trying to get Line of Sight for NPCs working just recently.

You're right though nemo, EQEmu isn't dead. Nor's the "first day spirit" of trying to recreate an alternative to EQLive, though. To say so would be complete bullshit; we have a lot of active developers working on the project right now, and it's sure not so they can get free coffee.

image was anything but the only one capable of leading. In fact, as none of you at all would know since this all went down "behind the scenes", image was anything but capable of anything resembling respectable leadership. So yeah darkone, you are wrong. His "leadership" basically tore the team apart and by the time he left, people were pretty much ready to fork the project to get away.

image's account was deleted because he changed the rules to this (http://humme.dk/eqemu/image_rules.txt). I think it speaks for itself, devn00b.

Moreover, we don't "give status to people who don't do shit for the project". At least, if we do, we'd like to know who they are.

Everyone "ganged up" on image because he overstepped his authority, plain and simple, and not for any other reason.

I think that covers about everything. I won't get into the main meat of the argument for the fact it largely revolves around me and that image, devn00b and I had some mutual dislike going on.

[Wiz]

Dos attack from my server eh? Lets see here.

PING soulblighters.com (207.36.232.31)
PING cronikus.com (207.36.232.31)

those are my two domains, as you can see they are on the same box. if a dos attack came from that ip then it was me. if not...

Wheres the logs? thats a pretty bold accusation to make there wiz.

You're really just reading selectively to demonize me, aren't you? :roll:

I never said that it was you, I don't think it was you. I think it was a misconception. I'm saying the REASON we all turned at you was because it was believed you were on some vengeance game along with image.

[Wiz]

- Wiz did almost nothing for EQemu . Only for WR or what he planned ?
- Melwin wasn't, isn't and will never be a (good) Public Relation guy
- WR is loosing money about its hosting ... next month every thing would be ok ?
- why, every times a dev or an important member of this project leaves, bullshits appear ?

- I have done the following for EQemu: FD, waypoints, an AI rewrite, packet rewrite, fixes to combined packets, basic LOS (and now advanced LOS, plus fear and combat pathing coming), several crash fixes, fixes with merchants, fixes with groups, a large amount of packetcollecting, etc etc etc. Yeah okay. Nothing at all.
- Don't care to comment on this one.
- Actually, yes. And this has nothing to do with EQemu. We got enough donations to stay afloat now, I only have to pay a little every month.
- Where was the bullshit when merth left? How about kathgar? You're making shit up.

[Wumpas]

I have done the following for EQemu: FD, waypoints, an AI rewrite, packet rewrite, fixes to combined packets, basic LOS (and now advanced LOS, plus fear and combat pathing coming), several crash fixes, fixes with merchants


Sounds like some good stuff im really looking forward to the los, fear and combat tweaks :D thank you wiz

A lot of us love eqemu and the hard work thats created it from all of the developers. Dont think that because you guys catch crap that people dont care. I do cartwheels everytime I get the newest DR to compile and im not alone. The magic is alive look at the peqguys the work and devotion getting pumped out by them is amazing they almost have a classic database completed. Eqemu has made people who never thought about c++ or mysql rush to the bookstores to learn. Eqemu is bridging common intrests and expanding horizons for most of its followers. Even though you still see the OMG THIS SERVER SUX0RS in ooc every now and then or the idiotic PM's don't think that no one cares. We love all of the work guys keep it rolling. :wink:

/goes back to my dreamworld whare everyone gets along

[Melwin]

Actually I was hoping we could've kept everything private to avoid extending this huge drama session even further than it's been already =/

[Edgar1898]

First of all let me talk about that comment that somehow accused me of wrongdoing by registering the eqemulator domain and getting a dedicated server for the project. I was the one who registered the domain because everyone else was either too busy or too lazy to do it themselves. Yah, I used the $200 of donation money to pay for the dedicated server, as well as the ad money we received. We are currently paid up until December. So how does that make me guilty of wrongdoing?

Dos attack from my server eh? Lets see here.

PING soulblighters.com (207.36.232.31)
PING cronikus.com (207.36.232.31)

those are my two domains, as you can see they are on the same box. if a dos attack came from that ip then it was me. if not...

Wheres the logs? thats a pretty bold accusation to make there wiz.

The DOS attack wasnt from either one of those IP addresses, it was from 66.139.79.12. Whether it was image (he claims it wasnt him) or someone else, (the attack happened 7 minutes after your server was juped) so we naturally assumed it was you. If it wasnt you then I'm sorry for blaming for it, but I stand by the decision to remove your access to forums and IRC. At the time, image had access on your irc server and who knows what else. He already removed us from sourceforge and SCM (dev cvs) so I did not want the same thing happening to the forums. Whether that hurt your feelings, I'm sorry but the fact is it HAD to be done. As I have said on numerous occasions if the majority of the dev team wants me gone, then I will leave gracefully. I will transfer the domain into someone else's name and be done with it. But I will NOT be a fucking cry baby like image and remove everyone's access because I didnt get my way.

Oh and we already have EQEmu working with live. :P

[omeraltay]

Eqemu is compatible with live? 5.7DR6?

[Melwin]

Eqemu is compatible with live? 5.7DR6?

No, the one that's compatible with Live is not yet released (THERE IS NO ETA DO NOT ASK OR I WILL BE SUPER MAD OKAY >:( ) and really isn't functional. I'm not sure exactly what DOES work, but just imagine stuff like casting spells or looting not working. :P

[omeraltay]

Oh =P lol. Its all good. 5.7 Dr6 is working good for me except everyone has white skin =P any chance this is addressed in 5.7DR7? Heard somehwere it will be. all my graphic card drives are updated...

[RangerDown]

Oh =P lol. Its all good. 5.7 Dr6 is working good for me except everyone has white skin =P

Go take that up with the EEOC. I don't see it as an Emu problem. :lol:

[Jett]

A white erudite? now that would look goofy... but i thought all other races were white, unless you mean white like high elf white.

[wize_one]

/hyjack on..


hey melwin when we getting 5.8.. /grin

/hyjack off

[mattmeck]

http://mattmeck.rogean.com/emotes/emote_stupid.gif

[Edgar1898]

Umm just about everything works, merchants, combat, looting, etc. The only thing that I have been told that didnt work was AA's.

[Spike]

/dev/n00b i'll miss you the most after you banning me a long time ago. I miss your will not listen to reason and ban on site ways... GOD IM GONNA MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Image you gave me the ability to come back to the forums even after being banned 4 times. Man im gonna miss you too. The best developers leaving WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:


Hey /dev/n00b come on over to my forums, i'll give you administration and we can hang out and smoke OUR OWN bowls. How bout that? I look forward to your PM, or e-mail.

Best developers that are gone? (I think anyways) 4 (and counting)

/dev/n00b
Merth
Image
WC (Wind Catcher)

being banned as many times as I did, I still love you guys!

www.roar.5u.com forums are open for those that wanna hang out and post for fun.

I'm still working on the coding,hacking,moding 'n stuff....

[mattmeck]

Spike just stop posting wile your ahaid.

[Wiz]

Spike just stop posting wile your ahaid.

He's ahead?

[mattmeck]

he isnt banned, so yea.....

[fataldelay]

sorry dev/noob to see you go.. wont be the same..

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

[mattmeck]

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Mel isnt even a Dev whay you name him?

Closed source and close the project? ok what would the other 19323 people do? This would NOT help the community at all. And a lot of buf fixes come from the Jr Devs and people just fiddling around. how would them not being able to help solve anything at all?

[Derision]

just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems

Nope, I would think that would definitely see EQEmu split into two, i.e. a 'closed source fork' and an 'open source fork'.

[mattmeck]

Nope, I would think that would definitely see EQEmu split into two, i.e. a 'closed source fork' and an 'open source fork'.

And nether one as good as if it never happend.

[Wiz]

sorry dev/noob to see you go.. wont be the same..

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Because since image was power tripping and got booted out, it should be closed source so that the devs who got rid of the power tripper won't power trip.

Wtf? Are you high?

[RangerDown]

Windcatcher left?

[fataldelay]

in response to wiz,

no im not high..

Wiz, melwin, and le and a few work hard on this project.. too hard i believe..

but sometimes you guys do have that attitude..

so.. i just really think you guys should close the source.. make your own servers.. have people play on your servers.. and leave it at that..

it would solve problems in the long run.. close the forums, support.. everything..

sorry but it does solve alot of things in the long run..

pick and choose who you want to have the source.. keep it from everyone else..

/shrugs

[melquiades]

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Yeah, already some closed source project :
http://everquest2.station.sony.com/
No public power trips arguments there :)

And so, we have a brand new app to hack and try to emulate, because we want a custom version for each server, it's called EQEMu. Let's emulate it.

Sry for being sarcastic, but, oh well ...

[Cisyouc]

in response to wiz,

no im not high..

Wiz, melwin, and le and a few work hard on this project.. too hard i believe..

but sometimes you guys do have that attitude..

so.. i just really think you guys should close the source.. make your own servers.. have people play on your servers.. and leave it at that..

it would solve problems in the long run.. close the forums, support.. everything..

sorry but it does solve alot of things in the long run..

pick and choose who you want to have the source.. keep it from everyone else..

/shrugsPersonally, I'd rather play on EQLive if we only had a couple servers to choose from and it was closed source.

[melquiades]

Windcatcher left?
Maybe someone should tell him, sure he'd like to be informed of that :).

[fataldelay]

btw .. sorry to name melwin as a dev.. seems he is one as much as hes on the forums.. oh well.. im just a newb with a suggestion as stupid as it may sound... I havent messed with eqemu since mini login stopped.. just jumping from servers to servers to play around a bit.. but not really serious into anything.. heck im still looking for a decent host ... anyways.. ive seen alot of emu's come and go.. and well most all emus have a group of devs that react.. or act this way.. i would have to say 98% of them do...

So why create something just to give to everyone else. then treat people they way you want to.. just close the source close everything.. end the project.. those devs that have a server running keep it running.. and leave it at that...

thats all im saying...

wiz i dont know what happened with your arguement with dev/noob or who is right or wrong.. and most here will probably never know the real truth.. but i guess it really dont matter and like melwin said should have been kept off the forums.. and Melwin should have just deleted the post and banned him as well from the forums..

oh well thats my post limit for the year.. everyone have a good one

[Cisyouc]

It is in my opinion that things like this are crucial to express to the public, don't we already get enough lies and coverups from the US Government? :D

[Jett]

How does every post always turn political? lol

[Melwin]

Umm just about everything works, merchants, combat, looting, etc. The only thing that I have been told that didnt work was AA's.

I try to keep up-to-date on this, but it's really rather difficult, so I just assumed since nobody knew anything that we didn't have it working.

I stand corrected. :P

Edit: And seriously you guys, stop lumping me together with developers. I'm just a guy who moderates the forums. I might not cut you any slack, but I don't do any actual work on the project compared to any given developer.

[Spike]

I was in IRC when I heard that WC left (dunno who said it) and I haven't heard him post in a while. Maybe I shouldn't have said that huh...

[RangerDown]

How does every post always turn political? lol

Cuz we're 2 months away from a RL election in the US.

And an election just took place here. And one that, like our last U.S. election, ended with a handful of people condemning the vote as invalid.

[Xabob]

How does every post always turn political? lol

Cuz we're 2 months away from a RL election in the US.

And an election just took place here. And one that, like our last U.S. election, ended with a handful of people condemning the vote as invalid.

Rofl i would have to agree Image=Al gore ^_^

No offince i liked image to a point and sorry to see u go then Devn00b i am not gonna take a side on this for my own resons but yea sorry to see yea go and the day melwin is a Dev is the day of the apocalypse >.<

[Melwin]

Being unable to code is a pretty limiting factor in regards to being a developer.

:P

[Patreecia]

Ignoring all dark_ones little stupid jabs about my apparent lack of work for the project (nvm that I JUST put a big thing into CVS), let me explain the entire situation and how it went down.

Essentially, it started with drama over Melwin having admin access to moderate forums. Note. Admin access to forums. This does not mean he was a developer or had dev powers or CVS access or anything. Okay?

Now, image didn't want him to be admin, and since devs had agreed to vote on issues, image made a vote for wheter Melwin should be admin. Vote turned out 6-5 in favor of Melwin (7-5 but Melwin voted, that was voided, lol).

Right after losing the vote, image made a vote that forum admins needed 75% approval. Which was shot down. After losing that too, image went on an outburst in IRC and kept talking about how he never agreed to voting and it was his project and so on. Basically he was playing King Image of EQemu. LE refused to give in, and they argued, so image did the "ok ill pull all access" deal. And the split was a fact.

devn00b.net was disconnected since image had access there and image has proven himself to be childish and vengeful before. now, a lot of DOS attacks started hitting the EQemu box from what LE said to be on of devn00b's server, and that devn00b along with image had pulled CVS access from everyone else. I have no idea if he was right on that or not, but that's why your access was pulled, devn00b. If it was wrong I apologize, and so should LE imho. Image did spout off on how you would shut down anything you ran because you were with him, etc.

That's essentially the whole of it. If you want to consider me a bad guy in this, devn00b, go for it. But I really never wanted anything else than getting rid of the powertripping. Was so fucking tired of image crying because someone edited his rules post or something.

You really have no respect for your elders... i cant wait to see you working for some big company and tellign the boss: '' Man i dont want to work today, lets make a vote, oh and i want to get paid too, lets make a vote bout that, co-workers (co-circle-jerkers imo)

I never really liked Devn00b or image, but, seeing how bad you guys are going on them makes me think even worse about all of you, you are all fags, i hope u die from something really really painfull, and as soon as possible

[Patreecia]

How does every post always turn political? lol

Cuz we're 2 months away from a RL election in the US.

And an election just took place here. And one that, like our last U.S. election, ended with a handful of people condemning the vote as invalid.

Rofl i would have to agree Image=Al gore ^_^

No offince i liked image to a point and sorry to see u go then Devn00b i am not gonna take a side on this for my own resons but yea sorry to see yea go and the day melwin is a Dev is the day of the apocalypse >.<


US politics are so gay anyway, americans are brainwashed too easily , and they dont even see the 2 faces of their leaders, wich is really sad

[Patreecia]

sorry dev/noob to see you go.. wont be the same..

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Because since image was power tripping and got booted out, it should be closed source so that the devs who got rid of the power tripper won't power trip.

Wtf? Are you high?

Image was maybe power tripping, but he is also kind of like the boss of this shit, he shouldnt be the one booted off, you should be the one leaving , go on and make your own shit, oh wait , can you?

[Patreecia]

Actually I was hoping we could've kept everything private to avoid extending this huge drama session even further than it's been already =/

People want to be kept inform, atleast the (tisk tisk, language watch the language please (mattmeck) drama is worth it

[killspree]

Hi patreecia...you seem new. I'll clue you in on something: Wiz has been around a long time too, perhaps you're the one that should look for a bit of respect when speaking to people.

Just because a person doesn't make news updates on the website constantly about free giveaways etc it doesn't mean they're new to the project. Wiz has been making contributions for years(literally years).

EQSpike: Windcatcher didn't leave - try looking at the 3rd party tools section.

[dark_one]

That's essentially the whole of it. If you want to consider me a bad guy in this, devn00b, go for it. But I really never wanted anything else than getting rid of the powertripping. Was so fucking tired of image crying because someone edited his rules post or something.

wiz, image had a right to have more voice than you, melwin, lethal, or any other dev.. hes been here longer, he by far does more than anyone and a team need a leader... ive posted the same thing in irc on the forums everywhere but no one seems to answer my posts... you know that image is/was the only leader of the team... and he had right by work, status, and length of time spent on the team to make a more proper decision than the rest of the devs..

anyways my views will not change your opinion, but nice trade...
melwin for image... you got a deal on that one :roll:

[mattmeck]

Killspree, please dont encourage the trolls


2 posts in 1 min from them second one I deleted cause every other word was a curse. just a troll.

give them a can of http://mattmeck.rogean.com/emotes/boohoo.GIF instead. http://mattmeck.rogean.com/emotes/emote_pimp.gif

[killspree]

You act as if image is the only capable coder to ever grace the project. Granted, he did a lot of things, but there are also the people that do lots of things that really don't care about attention. They keep quiet, or just don't have the ability to update the majority of users freely. See my post above.

Fathernitwit is a great example of a very capable coder.

[dark_one]

You act as if image is the only capable coder to ever grace the project. Granted, he did a lot of things, but there are also the people that do lots of things that really don't care about attention. They keep quiet, or just don't have the ability to update the majority of users freely. See my post above.

Fathernitwit is a great example of a very capable coder.

thats great to hear Killspree... but he undoubtably should of had higher status than the other devs from his experience, time with the project, and overall knowing eqemu.. he knows the code inside and out and is the most capable of leading the team... no one can argue that fact..

[mattmeck]

you know I was going to have some come back to you dark_one but all you need to do is read back in this thread to see how off base you are.

[dark_one]

you know I was going to have some come back to you dark_one but all you need to do is read back in this thread to see how off base you are.

i just got back ive been gone all day and i was responding to messages left

[Mongrel]

but no one seems to answer my posts

I wonder why :roll:

[a_Guest03]

Nothing changes... Best wishes, Dev. Good luck with your endeavors.

When will the infighting end?

Tell image best of luck too.

I like those cats, even if they were constantly fighting with assorted groups. I don't know who was to blame, or what was the problem each time, and I don't claim to be pointing fingers... Just an observation.

[thorndruid]

Most of you don't know me, because i don't post much on the forums, although i do read quite a few messages. I learned quite a lot from this site, gave me some sql and compiling skills to add to my already I.T skills. I think this whole issue with devs leaving, should be left to the devs to decide, end of story. I will contradict myself a little here and say a few things on it. Instead of pointing fingers and bitching at each other i think you should all (the devs, ex and new) find some neutral territory (not irc), and discuss everything, try to reach an agreement. Everyone should calm down a little and realize that you are working towards a common goal (hopefully a eqemu compatable with live). Bickering only hurts the project, team work is the key.

Thorndruid
"If power corrupts, and knowledge is power, isn't knowldege corrupt?"

[Charmy]

NT

Post moved here http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=95356#95356

[mattmeck]

Now, again someone prove me wrong, but this also means minilogin source should have at anytime been at public grasp, and it was not

I KNOW the reason the mini-login source wasnt given out was because it was written by someone else not afiliated with the EMU and they wants it closed source, the EMU Devs had nothing to do with its creation and didnt have permition from its creator to give it out. ( they still dont FYI ) They included and kept mini-login up to be nice to people, I am not sure why they stopped, lack of time, lack of interest, or got sick of people asking for the source so they say'd screw it, or some other reason.

As to them giving out the source to there login server well I dont know so Ill let a Dev answer that.

and why wasnt this posted in a diferent thread? You LOVE to hyjack threads for your own personal gain, I will be personaly deleting any more hyjacks from you.

[Charmy]

Now, again someone prove me wrong, but this also means minilogin source should have at anytime been at public grasp, and it was not

I KNOW the reason the mini-login source wasnt given out was because it was written by someone else not afiliated with the EMU and they wants it closed source, the EMU Devs had nothing to do with its creation and didnt have permition from its creator to give it out. ( they still dont FYI ) They included and kept mini-login up to be nice to people, I am not sure why they stopped, lack of time, lack of interest, or got sick of people asking for the source so they say'd screw it, or some other reason.

As to them giving out the source to there login server well I dont know so Ill let a Dev answer that.

and why wasnt this posted in a diferent thread? You LOVE to hyjack threads for your own personal gain, I will be personaly deleting any more hyjacks from you.

Well mattmeck first of all i didn't hyjack this thread just becuase its to long for you to read doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the thread, becuase it has everythign to do with several posts that were posted earlier, if it bothered you so much why didnt' you just delete it or split it in the first place? Probably because you wanted to see what other people will say about it.

Secondly, you yourself said that the devs updated the minilogin to be nice, well according to the rules of the GPL, since the code was updated using the code from the server, allowing it to work with the more current versions of the eqemu, then it became a part of the project. the first version maybe not, but any version there after (which was not modified by the original devloper it would seem) became a part of the main project. Now if the person who wrote it was the one updating it then its a different situation, but it sounded as if you meant the devs when you said 'they'.

[mattmeck]

Well mattmeck first of all i didn't hyjack this thread just becuase its to long for you to read doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the thread, becuase it has everythign to do with several posts that were posted earlier, if it bothered you so much why didnt' you just delete it or split it in the first place? Probably because you wanted to see what other people will say about it.

There was NO discussion about mini-login you made a twist at the end to seemingly connect it.

Making personal attacks? too long for me to read? WOW you are so cool.

Why didnt I just delete it? Because im not a jerk, I give warnings first.

Now if you would like to continue on in a more civilized maner please let me know. Bashing people the first chance you get just proves my point all the more.

Have a nice day.

[Charmy]

Making personal attacks? too long for me to read? WOW you are so cool.

Your absoulty right, i shouldn't have said anything rude to you, i am sorry about that, so let us continue in a civilized manner.

The only reason i included the minilogin was to help prove a point, and at the end as a possible helpful solution, it wasn't meant to try and add alot a twist to the subject in the way that it probably sounds, it was all to conclude the fact that the devs do keep control over the project with the way they basicly force you to use their login (yes yes, go write my own i know) but still, it sure seems that they want to keep the project alive, but still keep the control they hold over it, and use the login as the relay for all this work out.

Finally i will move it to a new topic to remove the 'hyjack' factor from it.

new thread is here http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=95356#95356

[waternorth]

The fact is... you guys mutinied because he wasn't obeying the rules. Yeah, I admit, the rules count. But, as devnoob said, did you even FOLLOW the rules when mutinying? No, you did not.


Want to know what I suggest? I suggest a public vote, stickied at the top of the EQemu section of the forum, and everyone can vote.

This project WILL fall if the dev team does not get their act together.

[Wiz]

Respect for my elders? That is the kind of bullshit that caused this in the first place. Noone has a divine right to be a developer, including me. No single person owns this project. If the majority wanted me off as a dev, I would leave. Additionally, you come off as a major hypocrite. Please check my registration date and then yours, then you can go about resepecting me no matter what I do because I've been here longer than you.

I'll be over here, using my brain to form my own opinions about people. Sorry if that's too hard for you, but at least now that you have discovered registration dates, it'll simplify things for you even more!

When Hogie left the project because he was trying to run everything, we agreed (including King Image!) that no single developer should be allowed to run things all on their own because it leads to shit like this. Image had no official crown of EQemu. His ego just believed this.

Also, image was voted out. A vast majority of the devs wanted him gone, and to stay gone. It just didn't really happen officially, since he went power mad out of left field.

[waternorth]

Everyone agreed to vote on issues. Looking at the dev section, I saw no vote for imageand I. Great job there make the rules just to break them.


That was back on page one.

Just letting you know, Wiz, I'm not agreeing with devnoob on which devs are good and bad. I'm a big fan of your server (even though I can't exactly play :( ).

[Wiz]

Everyone agreed to vote on issues. Looking at the dev section, I saw no vote for imageand I. Great job there make the rules just to break them.


That was back on page one.

Just letting you know, Wiz, I'm not agreeing with devnoob on which devs are good and bad. I'm a big fan of your server (even though I can't exactly play :( ).

Read what I said.

We couldn't make an official vote. He was in the midst of using what power he had to screw up the project. If we had waited to pull access, he could have messed up forums, loginserver, and so on. An unofficial vote was cast in that only two developers opposed image leaving, while considerably more than that agreed with it.

[waternorth]

Okay, I give up. You're right, I'm wrong.


Edit: Are we going to get an official announcement about devnoob and image?

[vetoeq]

You really have no respect for your elders... i cant wait to see you working for some big company and tellign the boss: '' Man i dont want to work today, lets make a vote, oh and i want to get paid too, lets make a vote bout that, co-workers (co-circle-jerkers imo)

I never really liked Devn00b or image, but, seeing how bad you guys are going on them makes me think even worse about all of you, you are all fags, i hope u die from something really really painfull, and as soon as possible

I just love this one...This should go into the "All web" archives on how to make yourself look like a complete fool.

[Wiz]

You really have no respect for your elders... i cant wait to see you working for some big company and tellign the boss: '' Man i dont want to work today, lets make a vote, oh and i want to get paid too, lets make a vote bout that, co-workers (co-circle-jerkers imo)

I never really liked Devn00b or image, but, seeing how bad you guys are going on them makes me think even worse about all of you, you are all fags, i hope u die from something really really painfull, and as soon as possible

I just love this one...This should go into the "All web" archives on how to make yourself look like a complete fool.

I didn't even bother with the boss job part, the no respect for elders thing was stupid enough without debunking the comparision between one dev in an opensource project and your boss in a paid job.

[bbum]

patreecia, those were the worst 4 posts ive ever seen in my life, half of them have nothing to do with this thread.

and damn wiz, whats up with the attacks on image? he doesnt sound like the kind of guy who should have leadership in eqemu.. but damn you shouldnt talk about him like that.. if image is willing to keep contributing to eqemu without having leet status, you should let him. if he wont help eqemu unless he's king, i guess your probly better off without him.

and if devnoob wont help eqemu anymore unless 3 other people who want to help eqemu just as much leave, your probly better off without him to.

what i find funny is this is ALL melwins fault, lol. if melwin left would image and devnoob come back? probly not, melwin just started it, i think you guys got some bigger issues now.

[Melwin]

sorry dev/noob to see you go.. wont be the same..

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Because since image was power tripping and got booted out, it should be closed source so that the devs who got rid of the power tripper won't power trip.

Wtf? Are you high?

Image was maybe power tripping, but he is also kind of like the boss of this shit, he shouldnt be the one booted off, you should be the one leaving , go on and make your own shit, oh wait , can you?

Your argumentation is flawed. image did not have authority to do what he did. By your logic, if the President suddenly nulled the Constitution and started Holocaust 2.0, he would be justified in doing so because he's the boss (despite the US being a democracy much like EQEmu).

You = failure.

Edit: Oh, nevermind the fact that Lethal is and was 'the boss', not image.

[melquiades]

US being a democracy much like EQEmu
sic ! Don't say scary things like that :evil:

[mattmeck]

I demand a re-count!!!!!!

[bbum]

Your argumentation is flawed. image did not have authority to do what he did. By your logic, if the President suddenly nulled the Constitution and started Holocaust 2.0, he would be justified in doing so because he's the boss (despite the US being a democracy much like EQEmu).

You = failure.

Edit: Oh, nevermind the fact that Lethal is and was 'the boss', not image.

you shouldnt be so ruff as a forum mod, we all know her argument is flawed dont feed teh trollage.. your better than that you dont need to comment on it cause you kno the real deal

[Wiz]

patreecia, those were the worst 4 posts ive ever seen in my life, half of them have nothing to do with this thread.

and damn wiz, whats up with the attacks on image? he doesnt sound like the kind of guy who should have leadership in eqemu.. but damn you shouldnt talk about him like that.. if image is willing to keep contributing to eqemu without having leet status, you should let him. if he wont help eqemu unless he's king, i guess your probly better off without him.

and if devnoob wont help eqemu anymore unless 3 other people who want to help eqemu just as much leave, your probly better off without him to.

what i find funny is this is ALL melwins fault, lol. if melwin left would image and devnoob come back? probly not, melwin just started it, i think you guys got some bigger issues now.

I'm stating how it went down and the attitude that image has displayed in the dev team.

If you consider Melwin to be at fault, you probably need to take an ethics class.

[bbum]

erm.. didnt image start this whole thing because melwin was givin forum mod status? thats all i was sayin

[waternorth]

I think that's true, but I hope not. Melwin rules.

[devn00b]

sorry dev/noob to see you go.. wont be the same..

in order to stop further things like this.. why dont you guys just close the project and wiz, melwin, and le just go on and just keep it close source .. i mean it would solve alot of problems in the future and the community wouldnt have to deal with power trips from wiz, melwin and others.. just close it.. dont offer it to anyone.. and done deal.. just a suggestion i guess..

Because since image was power tripping and got booted out, it should be closed source so that the devs who got rid of the power tripper won't power trip.

Wtf? Are you high?

Image was maybe power tripping, but he is also kind of like the boss of this shit, he shouldnt be the one booted off, you should be the one leaving , go on and make your own shit, oh wait , can you?

Your argumentation is flawed. image did not have authority to do what he did. By your logic, if the President suddenly nulled the Constitution and started Holocaust 2.0, he would be justified in doing so because he's the boss (despite the US being a democracy much like EQEmu).

You = failure.

Edit: Oh, nevermind the fact that Lethal is and was 'the boss', not image.

Actualy your quite wrong. Image created the sourceforge project. He was the project admin. Feel free to call sourceforge yourself, It was created by him before anyone even heard your name. As for SCM, he had every right to remove everyones access. Seeing as SCM was mine and I told image to admin it any way he saw fit.

Lethal should never have been the " boss ". As with anything Senioraty 1st. But whatever. I Will possibly be releasing The loginserver code i have as well as the crypto. You all want to backstab me and image. then the same shall happen to you.

Also unless image and I are restored on the forums and irc by today shit will get alot worse. This is how it should be. I still see no vote to remove image and I.

[waternorth]

/cheer devnoob. I gave up, don't you give up too!

[Wiz]

Actualy your quite wrong. Image created the sourceforge project. He was the project admin. Feel free to call sourceforge yourself, It was created by him before anyone even heard your name. As for SCM, he had every right to remove everyones access. Seeing as SCM was mine and I told image to admin it any way he saw fit.

Lethal should never have been the " boss ". As with anything Senioraty 1st. But whatever. I Will possibly be releasing The loginserver code i have as well as the crypto. You all want to backstab me and image. then the same shall happen to you.

Also unless image and I are restored on the forums and irc by today shit will get alot worse. This is how it should be. I still see no vote to remove image and I.

Lawl.

You're not going to get anywhere with threats. If anything, it just proves we were right to assume you were capable of doing taht DOS attack.

Okay, though, I'll make a vote.

[killspree]

No kidding...you don't look innocent at all really by saying what you just did.

[bbum]

You all want to backstab me and image. then the same shall happen to you.

wtf dude, they are inviting you back.

and btw to you other guys.. you make it sound like you just dont want image or devnoob around or even like them, rather than just disagreeing with their opinion like you should.

[Melwin]

Actualy your quite wrong. Image created the sourceforge project. He was the project admin. Feel free to call sourceforge yourself, It was created by him before anyone even heard your name. As for SCM, he had every right to remove everyones access. Seeing as SCM was mine and I told image to admin it any way he saw fit.

Lethal should never have been the " boss ". As with anything Senioraty 1st. But whatever. I Will possibly be releasing The loginserver code i have as well as the crypto. You all want to backstab me and image. then the same shall happen to you.

Also unless image and I are restored on the forums and irc by today shit will get alot worse. This is how it should be. I still see no vote to remove image and I.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

[fnemo]

[quote]If anything, it just proves we were right to assume you were capable of doing taht DOS attack.

tons of ppl are capable to do DOS attack.
but are they all guilty ?

Think about what you are saing before you say it. You are not Don Quichote. You are Wiz. You are accusating ppl about stuff and asking them to proove their innocence.... Just do the same .

It's quite annoyable the way you are taking control little to little of this project for a bit more than a year now.

For pasts actions, you said that you have prooves that leaving devs does bad thing to this project. DOS attacks are part of this, and are punishable, even by US ( :roll: )... So why don't you go to the FBI who work on this (if I well remember) as Gendarmerie does in France ? Is there something you are afraid of (this is not for Wiz personnaly, just a general question to the remaining dev/admin/members) ?

What I wonder is that :
- you have prooves
- you know who did it
- you have rights to act on justice
- you have a vote sentence that (i presume) said "do not do anything ..."

why ? why are you always telling bullshit after people ? why are you trying to make people disrespect/dislike former devs of this project ? (same questions about leaving devs ... but younger :p)

btw, this if for Wiz,
4 days ago, there were still a warning about your WR bank account situation ("in the far great red"). How did you do to find the cash flow sufficient to get green as fast ? because you (general you) were telling us it was way difficult to find this cash ...
And I dont really see more donations of any kind on your website that means you get hundreds of bucks in four days from donations.... I really wonder ...

[fnemo]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

aren't you a moderator ? this was (wxhat devnoob said) was mostly for remaining devs... which you aren't

so don't laught at him. you are a moderator

[Wiz]

[quote]If anything, it just proves we were right to assume you were capable of doing taht DOS attack.

tons of ppl are capable to do DOS attack.
but are they all guilty ?

Think about what you are saing before you say it. You are not Don Quichote. You are Wiz. You are accusating ppl about stuff and asking them to proove their innocence.... Just do the same .

It's quite annoyable the way you are taking control little to little of this project for a bit more than a year now.

For pasts actions, you said that you have prooves that leaving devs does bad thing to this project. DOS attacks are part of this, and are punishable, even by US ( :roll: )... So why don't you go to the FBI who work on this (if I well remember) as Gendarmerie does in France ? Is there something you are afraid of (this is not for Wiz personnaly, just a general question to the remaining dev/admin/members) ?

What I wonder is that :
- you have prooves
- you know who did it
- you have rights to act on justice
- you have a vote sentence that (i presume) said "do not do anything ..."

why ? why are you always telling bullshit after people ? why are you trying to make people disrespect/dislike former devs of this project ? (same questions about leaving devs ... but younger :p)

btw, this if for Wiz,
4 days ago, there were still a warning about your WR bank account situation ("in the far great red"). How did you do to find the cash flow sufficient to get green as fast ? because you (general you) were telling us it was way difficult to find this cash ...
And I dont really see more donations of any kind on your website that means you get hundreds of bucks in four days from donations.... I really wonder ...

Once again, how is the WR donations relevant? But since you're yamming on and on and being clueless:

WR costs $350/month to run.

We had $200/month in subscriptions when I put up message.

Now we have $310/month and will get a few more soon.

Does that answer your irrelevant babbling?

I'd also like to see to you where I said it's proven what devn00b did the DOS attack. I did not pull his access, LE did. You're using what is in argumentative terms called a Strawman. I said it proves that we are right to assume he is capable of it, the rest was a leap of... well, whatever it was... on your part.

I am taking control over the project? lawl. Yes, it bows to my will. I am the destroyer of all other servers.

:roll:

[Melwin]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

aren't you a moderator ? this was (wxhat devnoob said) was mostly for remaining devs... which you aren't

so don't laught at him. you are a moderator

What does my being forum enforcer have anything to do with my freedom to laugh at him?

He's trying to threaten his way back on the devteam. That's just plain hilarious.

[Wiz]

Going to put this in a separate reply.

Since you seem to be implying I am using EQemu money or some kind of scheming to further WR, fnemo, I ask you to answer this quick little quiz:

1) Which server was constantly advertised in the news part of the emulator itself?

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Koolkat's Non-Legit Server

2) Which server was hyped up, garnered tons of posts in general, and was all-in-all displayed all over the EQemu site.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) slow server (don't log in!)

3) Which server was in essence, entirely run by developers and had GM access to every developer.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Pie in the Sky server

[fnemo]

Going to put this in a separate reply.

Since you seem to be implying I am using EQemu money or some kind of scheming to further WR, fnemo, I ask you to answer this quick little quiz:

1) Which server was constantly advertised in the news part of the emulator itself?

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Koolkat's Non-Legit Server

2) Which server was hyped up, garnered tons of posts in general, and was all-in-all displayed all over the EQemu site.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) slow server (don't log in!)

3) Which server was in essence, entirely run by developers and had GM access to every developer.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Pie in the Sky server

1) GW (more devs implicated ... but GW source is implemented in the general one)
2) GW & WR (same comment as precedent + for WR it was inderectly)
3) GW (but once again, same comment)

and 3rd answer explain fully the presence of GW for the 2 others...
but that dont involve the cash flow

you were "alone" to pay you said .... so you work with donations
they were several to pay ...

for my own, I pay 350 Euro/month to host my servers (including old Alkora's SQL + world/zones which became another project)
and for now, I pay alone .... because I made this choice. And If I'm in red, I wont cry about it .... i'll take it for me and find a solution. But this is totally transparent for people.

The fact is, GW's cash was transparent (nobody know about it except owners).
You told about yours ... and the red light then you are on green one.... quite fast

Thats normal for me (like many others but I'm the only one to ask ...) "why ?"


The other thing, a (long) while ago, we know who paid (and donate) for what, how much ... on this project. Now .... we do know nothing ... :evil:

[Wiz]

Going to put this in a separate reply.

Since you seem to be implying I am using EQemu money or some kind of scheming to further WR, fnemo, I ask you to answer this quick little quiz:

1) Which server was constantly advertised in the news part of the emulator itself?

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Koolkat's Non-Legit Server

2) Which server was hyped up, garnered tons of posts in general, and was all-in-all displayed all over the EQemu site.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) slow server (don't log in!)

3) Which server was in essence, entirely run by developers and had GM access to every developer.

1) WR
2) Guildwars
3) Pie in the Sky server

1) GW (more devs implicated ... but GW source is implemented in the general one)
2) GW & WR (same comment as precedent + for WR it was inderectly)
3) GW (but once again, same comment)

and 3rd answer explain fully the presence of GW for the 2 others...
but that dont involve the cash flow

you were "alone" to pay you said .... so you work with donations
they were several to pay ...

for my own, I pay 350 Euro/month to host my servers (including old Alkora's SQL + world/zones which became another project)
and for now, I pay alone .... because I made this choice. And If I'm in red, I wont cry about it .... i'll take it for me and find a solution. But this is totally transparent for people.

The fact is, GW's cash was transparent (nobody know about it except owners).
You told about yours ... and the red light then you are on green one.... quite fast

Thats normal for me (like many others but I'm the only one to ask ...) "why ?"


The other thing, a (long) while ago, we know who paid (and donate) for what, how much ... on this project. Now .... we do know nothing ... :evil:

Yeah, okay. It's immoral to ask for donations to pay for server hardware when you provide a server. Do you even listen to yourself? You're being a complete jacktard.

I'm just asking which server has a pattern of being promoted as EQemu's "main" server by the server admins. If you're going to accuse me of embezzling funds, you better have something to back up those shitty little claims, because you are being a massive grandfucking hypocrite (remember that about NO PROOF NO ACCUSATION? you said).

You want to know why I'm in the green again? Because my players read that and signed up for subscriptions. Is that so incredibly hard to understand?

I invite you to pull out proof that I have somehow been embezzling funds, since that seems to be the only reason you'd even bring WR into this, being that it's utterly and completely unrelated, assuming it's not just a case of jealousy because I happen to run the most popular server.

*gg*

[fnemo]

who said it was immoral ? I said the way you did it is suspicious .... There is a huge gap between those 2 words ...

another thing, being the main server for eqemu ... hmmm i remember time with merth, just after hogie left .... who did it ? you ? nope, me ! so dont use this argument !

I'm not hypocryte. I'm not accusating ... I wonder and say my questions openly ! That's all. Now, if for you it's accusation ... not my fault.

Something to hide ? :lol: :roll:

What I mean is, the way you generaly act is .... way to suspicious for me. That's the point.

[Wiz]

who said it was immoral ? I said the way you did it is suspicious .... There is a huge gap between those 2 words ...

another thing, being the main server for eqemu ... hmmm i remember time with merth, just after hogie left .... who did it ? you ? nope, me ! so dont use this argument !

I'm not hypocryte. I'm not accusating ... I wonder and say my questions openly ! That's all. Now, if for you it's accusation ... not my fault.

Something to hide ? :lol: :roll:

What I mean is, the way you generaly act is .... way to suspicious for me. That's the point.

I see. So I'm suspicious because I ask for donations and get them.

You really don't have a lot going on up there, do you?

[fnemo]

who said it was immoral ? I said the way you did it is suspicious .... There is a huge gap between those 2 words ...

another thing, being the main server for eqemu ... hmmm i remember time with merth, just after hogie left .... who did it ? you ? nope, me ! so dont use this argument !

I'm not hypocryte. I'm not accusating ... I wonder and say my questions openly ! That's all. Now, if for you it's accusation ... not my fault.

Something to hide ? :lol: :roll:

What I mean is, the way you generaly act is .... way to suspicious for me. That's the point.

I see. So I'm suspicious because I ask for donations and get them.

You really don't have a lot going on up there, do you?

If I had time right now (which I dont since I have to go to work), I answer... But, I think its better to not ...

because you only answer/read/whatever, what you want to ...

On this, I say, good evening guys, time for me to work...

[Wiz]

Here's my paypal statements since the announcement of the defecit (Aug 13th):

Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 13, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Cancelled Details ... ... ...
Aug. 14, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 14, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 14, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 15, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 16, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 16, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 17, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 19, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...
Aug. 21, 2004 Subscription Creation From [name editted out] Active Details ... ... ...

That's besides loose payments.

Boy, those $110 extra per month came outta nowhere.

Also, for the information of your "suspicious" little ass, I footed the bill for the server for a very long time before we moved to a $350/month server to accomondate growing popularity.

*Edit: Real names editted out

[Cisyouc]

What I mean is, the way you generaly act is .... way to suspicious for me. That's the point.Premature assumptions should not influence senseless accusations.

[Wiz]

who said it was immoral ? I said the way you did it is suspicious .... There is a huge gap between those 2 words ...

another thing, being the main server for eqemu ... hmmm i remember time with merth, just after hogie left .... who did it ? you ? nope, me ! so dont use this argument !

I'm not hypocryte. I'm not accusating ... I wonder and say my questions openly ! That's all. Now, if for you it's accusation ... not my fault.

Something to hide ? :lol: :roll:

What I mean is, the way you generaly act is .... way to suspicious for me. That's the point.

I see. So I'm suspicious because I ask for donations and get them.

You really don't have a lot going on up there, do you?

If I had time right now (which I dont since I have to go to work), I answer... But, I think its better to not ...

because you only answer/read/whatever, what you want to ...

On this, I say, good evening guys, time for me to work...

Amazing. That would make two of us.

[fataldelay]

Lol watch it fnemo.. going against some people on here will guarantee you a ban from this forum and community.. even if what you say is true.. or not.. fact is.. noone will ever know what is true.. again.. i say.. just close the source.. and all this will go away once and for all.. :)

[fataldelay]

[quote="killspree"]Hi patreecia...you seem new. I'll clue you in on something: Wiz has been around a long time too, perhaps you're the one that should look for a bit of respect when speaking to people.

who cares?? i personally dont like wiz.. and if he left there wouldnt be no love lost at all.. his attitude and his constant lying about money that he gets on his server..

contributions? what did he contribute actually? that hasnt been already thought of from other devs? .. this project would definately go on without him staying or him leaving.. but yanno.. we all have the right to H8te who we want and like or dislike..

but to powertrip an older person just because.. of whatever reason.. well kinda sensless.. read above post i made..

stop the madness and just close the project..
If we all cant get along then its far time we should pack it up and just go.. like im ready to do.. buhbye :P

[mattmeck]

If we all cant get along then its far time we should pack it up and just go.. like im ready to do.. buhbye

How about you leave since you hate it here so much?

At this point right now there is very few people saying "close the project" or "you suxxors!!11!!!!"

Practice what you people preach, you want them to be more respectfull you be more respectfull, you want the flames to stop, stop flameing. come on people show some maturity.




And before I get called a powa trippen Dev, im a Moderatior, and I think the Devs needs to grow up too, however after dealing with the jerks on these forums I dont blame them for most of there attitudes.

[Melwin]

Lol watch it fnemo.. going against some people on here will guarantee you a ban from this forum and community.. even if what you say is true.. or not.. fact is.. noone will ever know what is true.. again.. i say.. just close the source.. and all this will go away once and for all.. :)

The people who would ban you for going against them were recently removed, actually.

And yeah, that's some asinine arguments even I won't bother debunking, and that's saying a lot.

[killspree]

Hi patreecia...you seem new. I'll clue you in on something: Wiz has been around a long time too, perhaps you're the one that should look for a bit of respect when speaking to people.

who cares?? i personally dont like wiz.. and if he left there wouldnt be no love lost at all.. his attitude and his constant lying about money that he gets on his server..

contributions? what did he contribute actually? that hasnt been already thought of from other devs? .. this project would definately go on without him staying or him leaving.. but yanno.. we all have the right to H8te who we want and like or dislike..

but to powertrip an older person just because.. of whatever reason.. well kinda sensless.. read above post i made..

stop the madness and just close the project..
If we all cant get along then its far time we should pack it up and just go.. like im ready to do.. buhbye :P

...I'm going to guess you haven't been around very long either. What has wiz contributed? Well for one, he contributed mob pathing code, he also contributed additions to the old quest formet, as well as some loot code changes(I believe), among other things. You can see a list of what he's done in one of his posts above, but suffice to say you don't really have much of a clue if you think he's done nothing.

Like someone or not, if they contribute to the project it's rude to make things up like saying they haven't done anything.

And while we're on the subject, fataldelay, what have you contributed?

I have nothing against image or devn00b, but saying something like wiz hasn't done anything is baseless and stupid.

And learn how to quote if you're going to do it...I had to edit my post to fix a quote yours screwed up. Thanks.

[fataldelay]

matt.. first of all i never ever said i hated it here..

please revise what i wrote...

i said.. that if we all cannot get along then just close it..

people with the knowledge and time to share.. and turn around and treat each other like they do.. when compared to people like me that dont know jack about developing or even just trying to put a server up is blind sided by older members and wiser members arguing... and fussing..

I dont know if you guys have kids .. but my sons argue over PS2 games all the time.. and instead of just putting up with the arguments.. i just simply take it away from them... ends arguments completely..

Melwin, didnt know that .. but hell i dont know jack anyways lol.. but coming on here and going against power people in the past has provened without a doubt a perm... ban.. I try my best not to ever point people out in forums responses .. cause heck i still trying to get questions answered.. like how do you make a trainer.. oh well.. let me do forums searching.. and work on my server..

Too much ha8e in the world guys.. lets all work together and end this bickering.. were all suppose to friends here.. or atleast thats the way it should be.

[mattmeck]

So by you coming in and addint to the issues it makes things better?


You have had nothing to say besides "close it down that will end this" So because a handfull of people cant get along and have issues you want to take the project away from thousands and thousands of other users?


Ok Johney and joe are fighting over pac-man, there in a class of 50 other kids. So the teacher should take pac-man away from the whole class because of what just 2 of them did?

[fataldelay]

kill,

umm i dont feel i have to contribute anything.. fact is facts..

kinda like that boss of a construction company yanno...

boss wants to build building.. so he gets a bricklayer to do the labor.. then of course boss profits off it.. boss probably didnt know jack on how to lay bricks...

now if i knew how to lay bricks.. i wouldnt be here.. but since i am here.. i still have a voice.. and the boss would too on a building project specially if the laborer was acting kinda silly ..

being a part of a community is great.. we have an opportunity voice an opinion whether you like it or not.. as long as we are not harmfully hurting anyone integrity..

but it seems unless you have 200+ posts or have been here for years is the only way you can outright flame someone about an opion someone else has...

as for me being on this forums.. hmm on and off for about 2 years now.. yes yes.. new account .. blah blah.. but still fact remains havent ever contributed to the project... as great as it is...and i do say that again.. its a great project.. i do appreciate the work you guys put into this.. but the fighting against.. great minds that would probably be useful in other things than coming on a forum and bitching at each other would benefit us even more..

so kill sorry if you didnt think i have an opinion but i do.. live with it..

[mattmeck]

How about this,


You are the owner of a lacal busness, its getting a lot of complaints on its customer service and the employees are NOT happy.

You have 14 employees, in doing serveys and sessions with the employees to get to the root of the issues, it comes out that 10 people say the manager is the issue.


14 people.....10 say the issues are caused by 1 person. So to solver the issues you fire the manager and promote a new one from inside the company, the manager freeks out and starts causing issues again. After you fire the manager you realize his roomate has the keys to the store and the safe, everything. So to make sure the ex-manager cant use his roomates keys you take them back till things calm down.


All reasonable things and stuff that is done in every day busness. Where the HUGE issues start isnt from the employess its from the customers, the customers who liked the old manager better, or the ones with no life that live to cause problems.


If people would let this go and stop edging things on it would have been solved and over with by now, there NOT the issue right now its the people who keep going on and on and on.

[Melwin]

as for me being on this forums.. hmm on and off for about 2 years now.. yes yes.. new account .. blah blah.. but still fact remains havent ever contributed to the project... as great as it is...and i do say that again.. its a great project.. i do appreciate the work you guys put into this.. but the fighting against.. great minds that would probably be useful in other things than coming on a forum and bitching at each other would benefit us even more..

Everyone is equal before the Ban Hammer.

Things might have been run nepotism-style in the past, but this is no longer the case. I really don't care if you have a billion posts and registered in 1942. It doesn't matter. You get three strikes, and then it's out for that account. If you repeat your pattern on eventual new accounts, you get IP-banned.

*Edit* AND HOW ABOUT THIS: EQEmu is an opensource project, not a business. Stop making retarded comparisons, everyone.

[fataldelay]

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Things might have been run nepotism-style in the past, but this is no longer the case. I really don't care if you have a billion posts and registered in 1942. It doesn't matter. You get three strikes, and then it's out for that account. If you repeat your pattern on eventual new accounts, you get IP-banned.
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nods... dont ban me lol :P

Matt.. i agree you totally.. Melwin why dont you just lock it..? Oh on another note.. Wiz.., just because i have a personal vendeta against you.. no flame towards at all.. if i leaned towards it in the earlier post.. i appoligize.. im sure its no sweat on your back.. figured id come clean with that

Matt also.. good point made about the employees.. but again.. things like this should not be brought up in a public forum.. I really dont know who owns the forums but i know if i did.. i would prevent things like this being posted.. it just creates havoc with the community.. and unneeded problems...

[mattmeck]

I really dont know who owns the forums but i know if i did.. i would prevent things like this being posted.. it just creates havoc with the community.. and unneeded problems...

Tried that, it turns into "Wiz is steeling $" "what they hiding?" "welll i want to KNOW whats going on this is open source we have a right to know" ect ect


I still believe as bad as things got in a few threads it would have been a LOT worse if it was all done in wispers and back allys.

[Melwin]

I was violently opposed to locking this thread even after repeated requests, so people could voice their concerns, but I see you really don't appreciate a grain of freedom.

Thread locked. There is nothing more to add to this topic.