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[Tzwizard]

- Sunday, September 12. 2004 -

The Path of Chaos Developement staff has announced the "Lore" & Is available for viewing at our Website:

www.freewebs.com/pochaos

Thanks to the Staff, I Soon to get the website a domain & will be up and running soon.

Forums are also up & Running...

Start A topic, meet the TpoChaos Developer Staff , Get in on the news ! http://www.wintersroar.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/finger2.gif

Recruiting these Various Skills: ( C++ ) , Server Hoster ( Need'd ASAP )

Thanks,

The Path of Chaos Developer Staff..

[Scorpx725]

Wow, nice.

Decent Lore, who wrote it?

[Tzwizard]

Development Team Scorpx725 :)

we are working hard to get this to legend or to green..

[Deimos]

Actually, I wrote the lore, thank you Tzwizard, lol =). I am editing it as that is the rough draft. When it is finnished, it should be like one big book called The Creation Of Norrath =D.

I only have these lines written atm, lol:

The Making of Norrath
The Journey Begins
"This planet is absolutely amazing, it will be perfect for our home Norrath!" Spoke out Castrolophicus in excitement.

[sotonin]

You wont get a legends or green server without first proving you have a reliable and stable server that is up for a fairly long amount of time.

[gayfag~]

they need to add 'cannot suck total ass' to the list of requirements for being a legends or green server.

[Tzwizard]

bbum (AKA) GayFag~ , leave emulator!!!!!

[Tzwizard]

Actually, I wrote the lore, thank you Tzwizard, lol =). I am editing it as that is the rough draft. When it is finnished, it should be like one big book called The Creation Of Norrath =D.

I only have these lines written atm, lol:

The Making of Norrath
The Journey Begins
"This planet is absolutely amazing, it will be perfect for our home Norrath!" Spoke out Castrolophicus in excitement.


Np Deimos :P lol, Just off told me before I did :P

[Deimos]

Well, I am actually changing the format again, going to make it more like the Silmirillion =), more like a history book you know.

Also, We are STILL Looking for more staff, and a server host as well, Please send me an email if you are interested or join the #TPOC channel on mIRC =). I just got the source and am now editing it out like crazy, lol.

[Scorpx725]

Nice lore, Deimos. Good luck on getting green/legends.

Good host and decent amount of people, with a reliable staff... good luck!

[Tzwizard]

Im Proud to Announce that I Am going to try to do some stuff to get www.freewebs.com/pochaos A domain !!! :)

Im gonna keep it up


So Ill fix Lore With a Better Tab bar ( Its Nice , Glowing Effect )

So Post on Forums !!!! Give us some Suggestions ! :)

[Deimos]

Hey, don't fix lore up yet, lol, I am re-writing it, unless u can just copy and paste. Just don't want you doing extra work =/

[sotonin]

Im Proud to Announce that I Am going to try to do some stuff to get www.freewebs.com/pochaos A domain !!!

you can get a domain for $7.95 in a couple hundred places around the net. Cheap as hell these days

[Cisyouc]

Im Proud to Announce that I Am going to try to do some stuff to get www.freewebs.com/pochaos A domain !!!

you can get a domain for $7.95 in a couple hundred places around the net. Cheap as hell these daysYou can get free ones (not com, but others) with some looking.

[Tzwizard]

Hey, don't fix lore up yet, lol, I am re-writing it, unless u can just copy and paste. Just don't want you doing extra work =/

Got ya.... I can with the new program im using :P

I Got a Idea to Make it looks like a Book :) ...

Like A Arrow that goes to next page :D

[Deimos]

Very nice! Also, don't worry about the website domain, I am getting us one, ok. Our ISP gives really really really nice ones. It will be called probably:
www.pathofchaos.org
=), or
www.pathofchaos.net
Not sure what would be better for us, probably .org

[sotonin]

Our ISP gives really really really nice ones

just curious. What exactly seperates a "really really nice" domain from a "normal" domain... Does it come with a box of cuddly kittens or something?

[Deimos]

It is seperated by the fact that this one has unlimited bandwith and unlimited storage space, and, it never slows down. That is the difference between a bad one and a nice one =D

[Melwin]

It is seperated by the fact that this one has unlimited bandwith and unlimited storage space, and, it never slows down. That is the difference between a bad one and a nice one =D

That has nothing to do with the domain, that's the host. :P

[sotonin]

That has nothing to do with the domain, that's the host.

Melwin hit it right on the nose. You don't know what a domain is apparently. It's a name. that's all.

[Tzwizard]

Lol A Domain is a Domain...... !!!!! Heh

We all know we all like butterflys on a webpage :P

[Deimos]

Here is what I meant by a domain. The site I am getting it from allows that. That is what I meant.... Some sites have a max storage and bandwith limit, this one doesn't. This is why I say we are getting a nice domain, but, you are getting very, very literal. So let me re-phrase that in words you will all like since you want to be exact and precise.

We are getting a very nice site with our own domain. The company that is hosting it allows unlimited bandwith and storage. This company is very reliable, the sites they host Never slow down. The site will be based off of flash with an introduction video. In the Lore Section, we will start having the Lore listed by there titles, then, under the title, you can either read the text or watch the movie, all based off of Flash and Nuendo 2.0.

That is how you guys want it said, so there, I said it =P.

[Melwin]

Just out of curiosity, who is your webhost?

Speaking as someone with a reasonable amount of experience with webhosts it sounds like you are about to buy a shitty service with good advertisement.

Unlimited bandwidth/space is seldom that for less than a grand a month.

[sotonin]

The site will be based off of flash with an introduction video. In the Lore Section, we will start having the Lore listed by there titles, then, under the title, you can either read the text or watch the movie, all based off of Flash and Nuendo 2.0

No offense dude, but the stuff you are saying is really painting you as somebody who doesn't know a thing and is trying to put on an "act" to get experienced ppl to join up and create something from nothing. (A server where one doesnt exist from the ground up, you've written lore only)

The site will be "based" off of flash...

The site is created with flash or integrated in some way. it's not "based" on flash.... that just doesn't make any sense man.

Or watch the movie, all based off of flash

Again.... either the movie IS flash or it isn't theres no in between man.

[Deimos]

My web host actually host isn't bad because I know them and have seen there services and know for truth what they have to offer, that is why I want them to be the web host. My ISP hosts websites.

This is the home site for them:
http://www.amigo.net/

Also you said you have no idea what you think I am doing, lol. That is totally wrong, ask my staff =P, I am actually editing the source for the server atm and writing new quests for it.

I am decent at C++, master at PERL, I suck at art, so that is why I am looking for people that are good with Flash, I suck at OpenZone, so that is why I am looking for OpenZone users, and I don't have time to write all the code for the server, so that is why I am looking for a lot of C++ and PERL people. I do know what I am doing, and so far sotonin, all you really have been doing is insulting me every step of the way. I am getting the domain probably tomorrow. I am just going to please ask you to quit the insulting. I am doing my own login-server, so you can stop that as well.

To answer more of your questions concerning the site.

Dude, really you need to get a grip. I never said it wasn't, I have only said that it was flash... I have not only written lore, I am doing source code and PERL code... You REALLY HAVE No IDEA. We have a beta site atm, will be moving soon to the awesome flash sight.

Sotonin, if you have absolutely nothing nice to say, which you don't, been only saying very nasty things, then don't start flooding everything with the stuff you want to say. Keep it to yourself, please. There is freedom of speach, but flooding everything with false insults isn't the way to go. If you are going to protest and say I know nothing, you better have proof to back it up. So far, my staff knows that I know what I am doing, and I am getting more staff because they all know what I am doing... You need to Shut Up, ok, because so far you have no idea what you are talking about.

[sotonin]

OK. i stand by what i said then, prove me wrong if i'm wrong. My analysis is based on what you've written here and mostly IRC, where you claim you can integrate the EQclient to display flash pages, which although you've been told by numerous people is impossible, claim you have. But you've provided no working example.

But asking for this and that and for somebody to host your server when you have nothing to show but lore is kind of silly.

[Tzwizard]

Ok Sotonin, Me creating this flash part will take time, people like me & ton of others have the patience.

You seem to not have to...

So Please, Stop posing on negative stuff & wait... All im saying :wink:

[sotonin]

Ok Sotonin, Me creating this flash part will take time, people like me & ton of others have the patience.

You seem to not have to...

So Please, Stop posing on negative stuff & wait... All im saying :wink:

Me and others in IRC have asked him to use a blank white or black movie and show us that he can do it. He has yet to provide this. Because he can't

[Tzwizard]

Me or Deimos???? Im creating flash for the website, hes hooking us up with some flash intro ( Myself I think this isnt possible )

[sotonin]

Not talking about the web-site.

Deimos claims he can make flash integrate into the everquest client. IE. click to play on server and a flash intro comes up before you log in.

Not possible until OpenEQ comes out. Yet he says he knows how to do it. Hence the reasons to not beleive what he says.

Has he done anything to the code to make you beleive he knows how to fix or modify it? Cause he doesn't understand basic logic so far.

At first it was all good fun, somebody with a hugely ambitious design for a server. Now it's transformed into somebody with a fairy dream and that want's to mooch somebody's server.

maybe i'm wrong. i'll just wait and see. ) thats all i have to say

[Deimos]

Like I said, I cannot hack the eqclint myself, but I know someone who can. I will show you once I get around to getting it, right now, it is not on the top of my priority list.

[Cisyouc]

Like I said, I cannot hack the eqclint myself, but I know someone who can. I will show you once I get around to getting it, right now, it is not on the top of my priority list.You know thats illegal, right?

[Deimos]

i do... Listen, I might not do anything, it might not be worth it. My staff have been talking to me about it for awhile. I guess we will all find out when the server is ready for testers. I also did the math, there should be about 915 zones when it is complete, which I think is a bit outrageous. Probably going to lower some of the planet zones a bit, that way it is around 400-500 when done. 915 is a bit too high. It might be 915 though, I don't know. Just going to take it one step at a time =), that is my new motto.

[sotonin]

Curious do you even know how to create a zone?

Maybe you should start by making JUST 1 good zone and showing it off. if you aren't full of crap then you'll gain a lot of followers. cause frankly, nobody beleives a word coming out of your mouth. Make us believers, please.

[Melwin]

I don't want to drop down to what appears to be the general level of discussion here, but as an admin on one of the bigger servers, I know that creating good zones takes a while. 915 zones seems extremely unrealistic to me. Even 400-500 might be more than you realize.

[relorm500]

915 zones seems extremely unrealistic to me. Even 400-500 might be more than you realize.



Damn right Melwin, theres no way.....I or we ---> Deimos <--- know anyone who is that good at making zones. We will need like 15-20 people just to get like 30 zones done...in about 3 months...if they work all the time. Which i doubt. This is my theory tho.



Im not going to Brag tho........I just work here lol

[daeken_bb]

I think once you start making zones you'll scale that 915 down to 90 at the _most_ as it's not an easy or quick procedure by any means. It requires modelling, writing scripts, putting NPCs in place, etc.

I'm curious as to why anyone would want flash embedded in the EQ client, btw... it's slow enough as it is lol. I think it'd be cool to have video-based textures (MPEG-4) ingame though. Could make for some nice effects when we can have customized videos over the course of the game :)


Happy Hacking,
Lord Daeken M. BlackBlade
(Cody Brocious)

[monalin crusader]

Recruiting these Various Skills: ( C++ ) , Server Hoster ( Need'd ASAP )

But arnt you guys in the process of writeing a Login Server? Whos taken on the responsibility of writing one so far i havent seen anyone from your server produce one.

My web host actually host isn't bad because I know them and have seen there services and know for truth what they have to offer, that is why I want them to be the web host. My ISP hosts websites.


Ah yes you have that uber Measureing program for bandwith. I wish i knew how much space and what kinds of bandwith hosts give. Does this host support PERL, Phpb, MYSql. There are many other services that you need to find out about to find a good host. Those script languages are very necessary in building any quality site imp. Yes they're not needed but they help quite a bit.

I am decent at C++, master at PERL, I suck at art...I am doing my own login-server

Obviosuly you dont think that being decent at C++ will enable you to write a Login Server. You have to know exactly how the code for EQEmu works and how the client acts while logging in. What it wants to know and all that crap. No newbie to codeing will be able to do that. As far as being EXPERT in PERL. About 3 weeks ago you were writeing quests for me. About 9 out of 10 that you gave me where bugged and you or i had to fix them many many times. I'll tell you now you are NOT an expert at PERL. Stuff for quests is the simple stuff.

Can you write your own Login Server? I really dont know but what i do know is it wont be anytime soon, its alot harder than you think, and you'll need someone helping you who does this type of thing all the time.

As far as makeing 90 zones, Arnt you makeing them in OpenZone? That could take forever to create 90 zones never mind spawning 90 zones.

And dude i use to like you but you are really acting like you know nothing. If i know nothing (which is quite often) I stop and ask questions from the people who do know. This is how i get to know alot more about cpp mysql and PERL. I wouldnt say i know everything about or even close but i know how to ask a question and even though it might not be me that fixed it i still got what i wanted accomplished and the next time i will know how to do it.

What i'm trying to get you to realize with this post is that you spending too much time on these forums trying to defend your stupid remarks and not getting anywhere on the server. If you want to make a server make a server, if you want to act like an idiot act like an idiot, you cant have both.

Also two more things i must add to this post is that he use to be a GM for my server, then i realized he was all talk and knew nothing. Yes hes a very nice guy but he trys to make people think hes a genius when hes not. He later quit the project because i wouldnt let his friend be a gm. But truth is i was gona fire him anyways because I sat around all day helping him get the littlest things done and instead of helping me on my server he was actualy takeing my time away from working on it and we never got anything done.

and then look at his website once more and then look at this site, a very well known Guild on Rallos-Zek (and yes thats my server name i know that already)

http://www.ascendingdawn.com

Nuff said... i'm done flameing, i'm at school and i dont have anything else to do otherwise this might have been a shorter post. Sorry bro but you need to realize your making a fool out of yourself, and i know everyone agree's with me.

[Deimos]

I did not construct any of the site and I will be getting a different picture up and have a talk with TZ, kk.

Sry, but I am just getting tired of being insulted. Since the last time you saw me, I can code without any errors now and debug my own code, like I said, I have a program now that helps me find Syntax and such. Anyways, the last file I wrote in PERL, which was 12000 or so lines, had 3 bugs, and they were really stupid, and I figured out one of them. I forgot /i on my stupid if($text=~ becuase I was typing so fast, lol, and was missing 3 curcly's, so took a few hours going through the code. Trust me, I gave this guy the code 2x, the first time it casted on himself, the next time it worked... I think I can code now =). Thank you Monalin for helping me get back into coding.

Furthermore, I am going to be getting some help from my dad with some of the C++ programming. I Do Not Have Any Time To Create A Login-Server for the time being.

-Updated News-
Website:
Working on getting the new site up, I decided to use the host that Tzwizard found, he found a very nice place called Vdeck, so, that is probably what we will be using =). It is same thing as the last one, but more features. These web-sites will let us do whatever we want with them. We now have a flash master and she will be helping with the site, the manager will be updating information, and me, writing information for the manager to put on.

Login-Server:
Right now, we have not had a chance to start the Login-Server code yet. I will be getting some help with it, I have my sources. Should be up and running perfectly, I am hoping, in 5 months.

---New---
Introduction:
We are doing a new type of introduction for EverQuest that will be based off of If Statements for Races and Destructors to help re-set zone. This is in the C++ code. I am going to get help from a very good source with it. You start in a zone with nobody else in it, and it depends on what class you are to see what zone you go into. So far, I know what I am going to do for one of the classes.

Warrior:
You are on a ship that begins to move towards the Coast of Ish`ta, where a wizard awaits to give you information. Suddenly, a pirate ship attacks you. That is all I am releasin for this event, more to come soon.

Some of the Warrior Classifications:

Warrior of Light:
Good Races
1st Step towards the light

Warrior of Darkness:
Bad Races
1st step towards the darkness

These are some of the second steps you can choose when you finnish the first step.
-Good Races-

Ancient Warrior:
First Step towards The Creator Chronology

Bladesman Of Justice:
First Step Towards The Tribunal Chronology

Swordsman of The Void:
First Step Towards The Unnamed Chronology

Path of the Council:
First Step Towards A Travller

These are only some of the things you can choose. I have it all assituated, no worries.
Here is an example of a Warrior:

Level 65-150 (Depends upon Path you choose)
You may now choose a path:
Warrior of Light
Level 100-300 (Depends upon Path you choose)
You May Now Continue on the path of the warrior of light:
Bladesman of Justice
So, you get to choose new things that become avaliable to you. Each thing has special bonuses that they offer. Each one also has requirements that you must fulfill. The weakest are the easiest, and are accessible by the lowest levels, the strongest are the hardest, and accessible by highest level.

Well, those are some more sneak previews of what the server will have =D. Sure, you think I can't do it, but I can =P. If you have complaints, please stop flooding forums. Just Email me, and I will be happy to answer. If you think I just suck, send me some email also and I will see to some of the things, or explain why I am doing it that way.

Because I say I know a lot, it seems that a lot of you say that I know nothing. Also my previous history was very sorry, which Monalin confronted me on, and I am meaning, only 2 weeks ago... I have improved since then, you can ask the runner of Fronglo's Server =), as well as the staff.

Email:
xteam_leader@yahoo.com

Just email me for comments, complaints, questions, becoming a staff. I will read each and everything that you guys send and will reply to them, kk. Just don't want you guys to start arguments. This should clear up forms a bit. If you have questions on how I am going to do some of the code, besides the Login-Server, since I am mainly concerned about the website and source for 5.8, then send ask away =). Login-Server will probably not be started on for another month.

Hopefully those will answer and reply to some of the complaints and such that you have said, kk Monalin. Also, I left because I felt bad, and wanted to work with Cleaver. He ended his project, so I joined Fronglo's a bit. While I was working on your server Monalin, is when I got The Path of Chaos idea, and I have been wanting to do my own server with those ideas ever since. Sorry if I am not on as much as I should be to my staff, but school comes first for me, the server is next. On all of my free-time, I am working on code, setting up more projects so that we can get started right away when we finally get a decent voluntary host for server. I am not paying for a nice server host until Beta.

Also, I do not yet have a working compiler for PERL. I have one for C++, so if you guys could maybe help me find one, that would be awesome =). Save a lot of time.

Also, because of how you all acted with alot of the stuff I have said, I am keeping most of the information that will be on the server to myself and the staff on the server. You guys will get sneak previews from now on, kk. All heavy information regarding the server will now be in secret unless you guys send me an email and ask =D. If you truly want to know, you will send emails. I shouldn't have to take my time to tell the public. Anyways, what is wrong with a little surprise, and less people saying I can't do it, lol.

[daeken_bb]

*sighs* Didn't take my advice...

Well, you'll learn eventually, though I think it'll take you failing miserably and being insulted constantly by developers to learn it... I know it did for me :P

[monalin crusader]

12000 lines?

You do realize that this is around 300pages at size 12 font correct?
And you only made 3 mistakes, DAM dude your good. And then you even foudn those syntax errors how good of you. Gota give you credit.



i dont have a compiler for PERL yet

I'll save you the looking around, You dont need one for perl, Its a script, just like HTML you dont need a compiler it compiles as it runs. Now maybe you can be a MASTER at perl now that you can figure out how ot run your PERL scripts.

[relorm500]

Deimos, i want you to know this. Half of the stuff your talking about prolly wont be done. By the time you finish this server there will prolly be a EQEmu 2 for EverQuest2, i will be playing EQ2 and many others prolly, it comes out in 2 months, if it is ganna take you 5 months for a login server then jeeze i dont wanna imagine what it will take for each class to have thier own little zone... and for you to make about 321135414657816571 planets. I only have a few things to say about this.

1. It may not be done.
2. Noone will wanna play when EQ2 comes out.
3. It prolly wont be done.
4. It will not be done.
5. Noone will want to work on a project that is ganna take about 3 years just to finish. I know i wont.
6. You gatta look at reality and not your dreams
7. That is all.


.........The Greatest Creation :arrow: Bafoon X

[relorm500]

---New---
Introduction:
We are doing a new type of introduction for EverQuest that will be based off of If Statements for Races and Destructors to help re-set zone. This is in the C++ code. I am going to get help from a very good source with it. You start in a zone with nobody else in it, and it depends on what class you are to see what zone you go into. So far, I know what I am going to do for one of the classes.

Warrior:
You are on a ship that begins to move towards the Coast of Ish`ta, where a wizard awaits to give you information. Suddenly, a pirate ship attacks you. That is all I am releasin for this event, more to come soon.

Some of the Warrior Classifications:

Warrior of Light:
Good Races
1st Step towards the light

Warrior of Darkness:
Bad Races
1st step towards the darkness

These are some of the second steps you can choose when you finnish the first step.
-Good Races-

Ancient Warrior:
First Step towards The Creator Chronology

Bladesman Of Justice:
First Step Towards The Tribunal Chronology

Swordsman of The Void:
First Step Towards The Unnamed Chronology

Path of the Council:
First Step Towards A Travller

These are only some of the things you can choose. I have it all assituated, no worries.
Here is an example of a Warrior:

Level 65-150 (Depends upon Path you choose)
You may now choose a path:
Warrior of Light
Level 100-300 (Depends upon Path you choose)
You May Now Continue on the path of the warrior of light:
Bladesman of Justice
So, you get to choose new things that become avaliable to you. Each thing has special bonuses that they offer. Each one also has requirements that you must fulfill. The weakest are the easiest, and are accessible by the lowest levels, the strongest are the hardest, and accessible by highest level.

Well, those are some more sneak previews of what the server will have =D. Sure, you think I can't do it, but I can =P. If you have complaints, please stop flooding forums. Just Email me, and I will be happy to answer. If you think I just suck, send me some email also and I will see to some of the things, or explain why I am doing it that way.

Because I say I know a lot, it seems that a lot of you say that I know nothing. Also my previous history was very sorry, which Monalin confronted me on, and I am meaning, only 2 weeks ago... I have improved since then, you can ask the runner of Fronglo's Server =), as well as the staff.

Email:
xteam_leader@yahoo.com

Just email me for comments, complaints, questions, becoming a staff. I will read each and everything that you guys send and will reply to them, kk. Just don't want you guys to start arguments. This should clear up forms a bit. If you have questions on how I am going to do some of the code, besides the Login-Server, since I am mainly concerned about the website and source for 5.8, then send ask away =). Login-Server will probably not be started on for another month.

Hopefully those will answer and reply to some of the complaints and such that you have said, kk Monalin. Also, I left because I felt bad, and wanted to work with Cleaver. He ended his project, so I joined Fronglo's a bit. While I was working on your server Monalin, is when I got The Path of Chaos idea, and I have been wanting to do my own server with those ideas ever since. Sorry if I am not on as much as I should be to my staff, but school comes first for me, the server is next. On all of my free-time, I am working on code, setting up more projects so that we can get started right away when we finally get a decent voluntary host for server. I am not paying for a nice server host until Beta.

Also, I do not yet have a working compiler for PERL. I have one for C++, so if you guys could maybe help me find one, that would be awesome =). Save a lot of time.

Also, because of how you all acted with alot of the stuff I have said, I am keeping most of the information that will be on the server to myself and the staff on the server. You guys will get sneak previews from now on, kk. All heavy information regarding the server will now be in secret unless you guys send me an email and ask =D. If you truly want to know, you will send emails. I shouldn't have to take my time to tell the public. Anyways, what is wrong with a little surprise, and less people saying I can't do it, lol.

That is what i mean about this.

[Wiz]

So, what does your 12000 lines of code, 3 error program do?

[Cripp]

Deimos, i want you to know this. Half of the stuff your talking about prolly wont be done. By the time you finish this server there will prolly be a EQEmu 2 for EverQuest2, i will be playing EQ2 and many others prolly, it comes out in 2 months, if it is ganna take you 5 months for a login server then jeeze i dont wanna imagine what it will take for each class to have thier own little zone... and for you to make about 321135414657816571 planets. I only have a few things to say about this.

1. It may not be done.
2. Noone will wanna play when EQ2 comes out.
3. It prolly wont be done.
4. It will not be done.
5. Noone will want to work on a project that is ganna take about 3 years just to finish. I know i wont.
6. You gatta look at reality and not your dreams
7. That is all.


.........The Greatest Creation :arrow: Bafoon X

i agree with everything here(besides the eq2 shit)..

deimos.. dont waste your time, or be a fool like cleaver. even if you do have "the greatest programmer in the world" *cough*bullshit*cough* this would all be a huge waste of time. why would you want to waste weeks and weeks and months and months for... a game? eq? other people? its all pointless, and you will regret it when you could have been doing something more productive with your life. eqemu is just as addictive as norm eq(developing a server that is, playing..depends), peeps get way into it. I was there for a bit, but snapped out of it :)

all in all.. ITS NOT WORTH IT... especially if your going to use your own loginserver. eqemu has all the playerbase, not you. so why waste so much time when there is a chance that it wont even be that successful

this applies to everyone, before you make an unbelievably custom server, THINK ABOUT IT>>THINK AHEAD.

hmmmm k im done.

[relorm500]

deimos.. dont waste your time, or be a fool like cleaver. even if you do have "the greatest programmer in the world" *cough*bullshit*cough* this would all be a huge waste of time. why would you want to waste weeks and weeks and months and months for... a game? eq? other people? its all pointless, and you will regret it when you could have been doing something more productive with your life. eqemu is just as addictive as norm eq(developing a server that is, playing..depends), peeps get way into it. I was there for a bit, but snapped out of it :)

all in all.. ITS NOT WORTH IT... especially if your going to use your own loginserver. eqemu has all the playerbase, not you. so why waste so much time when there is a chance that it wont even be that successful

this applies to everyone, before you make an unbelievably custom server, THINK ABOUT IT>>THINK AHEAD.

hmmmm k im done.

*Claps Proudly*

[Deimos]

Sry all, I just want this server to be good. I don't know, whenever I do something I "OverDo" it if you know what I mean. I am writing Code and Lore in-class on my palm pilot, that is how bad it is right now, hehe. I just wanted to make a server that people would enjoy and that you all would play on =(. That is all I have ever wanted to do.
When I was first a GM, I worked long and hard on zones so that people would enjoy them, then I worked long and hard on PERL. That 12000 line PERL code was for a buffing NPC. It also had a casino in it. 54 Different Buffs. The price raised for every 10 levels you gained as well, and all the prices varied depending on what spell you wanted. I worked for 2 weeks on that code, trying to make it all sound perfect. Different things he said, exc.

People have called me an "over-achiever." Maybe I should wake up and smell the coffee. I haven't done it yet, I don't know if I ever will. I just wanted people to really like this server =(. When I thought up the storyline, I "Knew" it would make a good server. I just want you all to have a fun and good time =(. I am being constantly criticized, hated, insulted, and so on, for trying to give you guys something. I am not trying to say, "Hey look, I can make a cool server, so I am better than everyone!"
Also, I am trying to make the work fun for the staff. Personally, I like writing code, making zones, doing all of that stuff. I like working my butt off. I don't know about the rest of you. One of the reasons I took C++ was so that I could make this server... One of the reasons I studied PERL for hours was so that I could do it, one of the reasons for the commands.
I just want to make something nice for you all. Some of you are now saying I am going to be wasting my life, fine, let me waste my life. My life is game programming, that is it, as well as school, for the time being. That is my whole life. I am in School Clubs right now, only so I can visit other country's and get free food, as well as do some programming, aka, FBLA. My joy is teaching other people how to do things, knowing that other people are having fun from my work, and trying to make things easier for others.
Right now I am miserable and am working less and less on The Path of Chaos Server, because I am not having fun creating it, which is very odd. Every 5 minutes, I need to go on here and talk with people, and try to explain things, otherwise, I start losing staff, exc.

I just want to make this the best server possible for you. If you hate the lore, which is what the server will be based off of. If you hate all the stuff I am doing with it, and I mean a mass amount of people, then I will stop the project. What is the point of doing something and spending lots of money from my own pocket if no one will enjoy the work my staff and I put forth =(.

I know how much work it is, and so does all my staff. I told them before they joined the staff how much it would be. They accepted it and came. The goal here is not to just become the best server in the world, or crush other server's, the goal here is to make you all happy, and have fun. It isn't to make loads of money, it isn't to make you all made, not to show-off, just to make it so you guys can have fun and get away from the real world once and awhile.

I don't consider this wasting my life. I am learning too. I really have no idea how to make a login-server, I never said I did know how, but I am learning all of the Eqemu code right now. I didn't even know what PERL was 1 month ago, but now I am a pro at it. I don't ask you guys questions that often because I usually figure things out on my own. Questions are my last resort. My dad is probably going to help me with login-server, exc. I also am planning to get eqclient still because it will make the experience of the server better. Also, EQ can't really do anything because I am not making a profit off of it. The copyright law says you are distributing it and such. I am not distributing it.

I just really need support right now, and I am getting 0, I am in the negatives now. If you guys hate the entire idea, I will end the project, just like that. I just want you all to have a good time, get away from the ordinary EverQuest and enter a whole new world. New Classes, new races (once I figure that part out), excetra. I am willing to do it all for you guys, because knowing people appreciate and enjoy my work is the greatest thing anyone can give me. My staff are excited because of a lot of the things I want to do, and that is the only thing supporting me, or I would have disbanded and ended the entire project awhile back. All I am getting is negative feedback, unless it is from the staff.

Think about this guys. Ask around. If the players of EQEmu dont want this server, then I don't need to waste my time. If they do, then no one is wasting there time for nothing, we know people will enjoy our work.

[daeken_bb]

Ok. I'm going to lay this out very simple for you.

Your current goals are unattainable. You _need_ to think smaller, at least for a start. If you have such a broad vision, you'll never get any one piece completed. Once you have a base and attainable goals, people will join and help you more and more, and slowly those distant goals will become closer. Hell, I'll even help out if I can (I'm a busy geek)

I think you have the potential to do something great, but you honestly need to scale down your goals, if only for the time being. You have great ideas, but you don't have the skills neccesary to implement them... you will if you listen to us and simply take your time on this rather than rushing into it.

I hope you succeed, and if you need assistance, don't hesitate to ask me. I'm always available at #phpgeeks or #freaku, both on irc.freenode.net.


Happy Hacking,
Lord Daeken M. BlackBlade
(Cody Brocious)

[sotonin]

I agree with daeken, it's all i've been trying to get you to see. Unless you scale down your goals to something very very small and SHOW you can do something. ANYTHING, you wont get a lot of support in your massive impossible project.

That 12000 line PERL code was for a buffing NPC

You mean the same buffing script that was posted in Quest's section a week or so ago?

[Deimos]

Jeeze, I did scale down my goals. Lol, the first goal is to get site up, next is to get login-server going a little bit. Also we are looking for a nice voluntary host for staff testing, lol.
I said these long ago, that we were taking this one step at a time, lol. If you were just saying that, we should all feel kinda stupid, becuz I said earlier in forums about, with my phrase, "One step at a time." Lol, and I shuold feel stupid for not seeing you guys say this. Thank you a lot guys, I feel a whole lot better now, =). We are now all on the same page, thx guys =), lol. Maybe I didn't say that on forums, but I said it in IRC to staff constantly to calm down stress levels and such, eheh, they expected to do everything all at once, lol. No, I would be a crap good for nothing leader if I did it like that. O well, hope to get a lot of input. The project is on =D.

[sotonin]

Jeeze, I did scale down my goals. Lol, the first goal is to get site up, next is to get login-server going a little bit. Also we are looking for a nice voluntary host for staff testing, lol.
I said these long ago, that we were taking this one step at a time, lol. If you were just saying that, we should all feel kinda stupid, becuz I said earlier in forums about, with my phrase, "One step at a time." Lol, and I shuold feel stupid for not seeing you guys say this. Thank you a lot guys, I feel a whole lot better now, =). We are now all on the same page, thx guys =), lol. Maybe I didn't say that on forums, but I said it in IRC to staff constantly to calm down stress levels and such, eheh, they expected to do everything all at once, lol. No, I would be a crap good for nothing leader if I did it like that. O well, hope to get a lot of input. The project is on =D.

Thats fine. but a web-site for the server should be the next to last step. Actually HAVING a server should be your first one. And spamming in IRC for flash developers should also be on the very end of your list.

Reminds me of the phantom console in its early years (is it out yet? think its coming closer). All smoke and mirrors to attempt to get people interested. They didnt even have an office, just a fake corporate address and sponged a bunch of money out of investors.

[daeken_bb]

Another little piece of advice... never post anything about a project on the forums until you have something to show, or will within hours. Otherwise you'll get laughed at for quite a while... trust me, I know (though I very strongly doubt anyone here has been around long enough to have seen that.. only ones that have a chance of remembering are Trumpcard, Image, Hogie, and BS and all of them are gone lol)

Either way, good luck, and stop distracting me from coding :P

[Deimos]

Thx guys =).

Taking website first so we can start posting information since we can't find a host, lol =P. I would host it, but I can't, router =(. O well, tx, and gl with code and stuffs all =)

[Cripp]

I am being constantly criticized, hated, insulted, and so on, for trying to give you guys something. I am not trying to say, "Hey look, I can make a cool server, so I am better than everyone!"
.

didnt mean anything like that.. but, all i have to say is ITS NOT WORTH IT, and that is a fact <---

you can still make AWSOME servers without wasting SO MUCH damn time and doing SOOO much work. and again with the loginserver... bad idea, and pointless heh. <--anyone else agree with me here?

[Wiz]

I'm just mildly confused that a buffing NPC took more lines of code than EQemu's entire client and NPC process together.

Are you sure you didn't exhaggerate that by a few zeroes? ;)

Beyond that, let's cut the stupid and silly and so on. If you want to doubt wheter he's speaking the truth about all this ambitious stuff, do so, but name-calling is pointless.

[daeken_bb]

I am being constantly criticized, hated, insulted, and so on, for trying to give you guys something. I am not trying to say, "Hey look, I can make a cool server, so I am better than everyone!"
.

didnt mean anything like that.. but, all i have to say is ITS NOT WORTH IT, and that is a fact <---

you can still make AWSOME servers without wasting SO MUCH damn time and doing SOOO much work. and again with the loginserver... bad idea, and pointless heh. <--anyone else agree with me here?

1) Who are you to question his motives? If he is happy doing what he's doing, let him be.
2) You keep stating your opinion as fact, which aside from being horribly arrogant is very annoying.
3) No, I don't agree with you. Building a loginserver is a great way to learn more about the low-level technology that EQEmu is based on, and a fun weekend project.

[Deimos]

I am with you, the staff think it is pointless too. I just asked them. Not doing a login server.

I am doing all that work though, but the loginserver, noooooooooooo. The work I am doing so people will always have something to do, and never get bored... That is why people like EQLive, there is always something going on, somewhere to go =), quests to do, guild ranks to achieve, lots of stuffs.

Thanks for input guys, LoginServer = No
Rest of Stuffs = Yes
=)
Also Wiz, it did. I did not exagerate. I can send you the codefile if you would like to see for yourself. It took me 1 week to write =). It will grow also =D.

[Cripp]

1) Who are you to question his motives? If he is happy doing what he's doing, let him be.
2) You keep stating your opinion as fact, which aside from being horribly arrogant is very annoying.
3) No, I don't agree with you. Building a loginserver is a great way to learn more about the low-level technology that EQEmu is based on, and a fun weekend project.

get a life and you will understand me a bit more.

anyways.. i dont like fighting or drama. so this is my last post for this thread. goodluck to you, you will need it.

[gayfag~]

I just wanted to make a server that people would enjoy

verant barley pulled that one off, and alot of big budget modern mmorpg's cant even do this, you have no chance.

[relorm500]

Sry all, I just want this server to be good. I don't know, whenever I do something I "OverDo" it if you know what I mean. I am writing Code and Lore in-class on my palm pilot, that is how bad it is right now, hehe. I just wanted to make a server that people would enjoy and that you all would play on =(. That is all I have ever wanted to do.

People have called me an "over-achiever." Maybe I should wake up and smell the coffee. I haven't done it yet, I don't know if I ever will. I just wanted people to really like this server =(. When I thought up the storyline, I "Knew" it would make a good server. I just want you all to have a fun and good time =(. I am being constantly criticized, hated, insulted.

Also, I am trying to make the work fun for the staff. I just want to make something nice for you all. Some of you are now saying I am going to be wasting my life, fine, let me waste my life. My life is game programming, that is it, as well as school, for the time being. That is my whole life. I am in School Clubs right now, only so I can visit other country's and get free food, as well as do some programming, aka, FBLA. My joy is teaching other people how to do things, knowing that other people are having fun from my work, and trying to make things easier for others.

I just want to make this the best server possible for you. If you hate the lore, which is what the server will be based off of. If you hate all the stuff I am doing with it, and I mean a mass amount of people, then I will stop the project. What is the point of doing something and spending lots of money from my own pocket if no one will enjoy the work my staff and I put forth =(.

I know how much work it is, and so does all my staff. I told them before they joined the staff how much it would be. They accepted it and came. The goal here is not to just become the best server in the world, or crush other server's, the goal here is to make you all happy, and have fun. It isn't to make loads of money, it isn't to make you all made, not to show-off, just to make it so you guys can have fun and get away from the real world once and awhile.

I just really need support right now, and I am getting 0, I am in the negatives now. If you guys hate the entire idea, I will end the project, just like that. I just want you all to have a good time, get away from the ordinary EverQuest and enter a whole new world. New Classes, new races (once I figure that part out), excetra. I am willing to do it all for you guys, because knowing people appreciate and enjoy my work is the greatest thing anyone can give me. My staff are excited because of a lot of the things I want to do, and that is the only thing supporting me, or I would have disbanded and ended the entire project awhile back. All I am getting is negative feedback, unless it is from the staff.

Think about this guys. Ask around. If the players of EQEmu dont want this server, then I don't need to waste my time. If they do, then no one is wasting there time for nothing, we know people will enjoy our work.

[relorm500]

Well bud, im with ya on this project if you cut down a bit more. Like Maybe put in the story line.

There were millions of planets Norrath Found, and many of them were Destroyed when norrath was found, The Priests of Choas Hated every living thing. So Norrath fought against the Priests that Brought The Planet of Norrath and The Moon of <Blank> to make the Gates of Teleportation <Nexus>. When Norrath Fought he did it Bravely and then dies willing to save this planet. But, When Norrath Fell to the floor dropping the last of his might he made the Living things on Norrath. So, with these living Creatures <Races> Became a Army united to kill and rescue the Planet and Moon of the Galaxy. But that is not my story to tell.................


You see, just add some content to break down the story a bit.
I dont really like the fact of each class having ther own starting zone. Cuz 3 years is along time, and i will be driving by then.

Just think about what your saying, and Yes Bro, You Gatta Smell the coffee, its Hot!.

[relorm500]

Is this post dead.....

[Tzwizard]

are you dead ??????? who knows

bafoon, u really aint helping anyways on project

so shhh :evil:

[relorm500]

how am i supposed to help, when there is no server to help with.
Answer that and then ill tell you if i am dead or not.

[relorm500]

I take that as a no.

[relorm500]

WOW.....2 days and Deimos hasn't spoken, IRC as well.

Whats going on here?

[Melwin]

I'm seriously going to lock this post if you keep posting "ARE YUO THAR?!?!?!?1ONE ONE"

He'll post when/if he returns.

[relorm500]

sorry melwin /frown

[Deimos]

I haven't been on lately and won't be one really for a couple more days. Visiting my grandmother, she only visits once a year =). Also, before that, was working all night long on something for school, hehe. I'll be fully back on Tuesday though, no worries. Probably won't be here Friday either, Weird Al in Concert =).

well, I have gotten 0 emails so far... I haven't had time to work on server source. Next weekend, or the weekend afterwards, or somewhere, I am going to be getting tons of help from someone I know, with the intro and evertyhing =D.

We still need way more staff. With the number we have now, we will be lucky to get done in 40 years, lol. We need 30-40 people. If you want to help =), just send me an email at xteam_leader@yahoo.com or go to IRC and talk with Tzwizard. The channel is #TPOC.

News:
Tzwizard is now a Server Administrator
Cutters is now Project Leader of the site and is now project leader of cinematics as well

[relorm500]

hmmmmm.......in 40 years ill be dead lol.

[sotonin]

Were we supposed to feel sad?

=D

[Deimos]

relorm, that is why we need a bigger staff =).

The real question is:
Who will be a staff of the Path of Chaos Server?

Some of the current Positions:
Project Developer
Project Administrator
Server Administrator

But, we are still looking for people that are good with these things:
2 More Flash Experts
10 More In-Game Spawners/etc
10 More Quest Writers
15 More OpenZone
10 More C++

If we had those numbers of people join, the staff would be perfect =).

[Cisyouc]

15 More OpenZoneGood luck with that.

[Deimos]

I am going to need it =P, lol

[Cisyouc]

I am going to need it =P, lolThe only person that seems to have actual working knowledge of OpenZone is kahn, and he is busy with EQA (he only uses OA to convert it to s3d too, he doesnt use it to build zones).

If you want just openzone builders, the zones wont be that good.

[Deimos]

The only person that seems to have actual working knowledge of OpenZone is kahn, and he is busy with EQA (he only uses OA to convert it to s3d too, he doesnt use it to build zones).

I beg to differ. Are u forgetting Cleaver? Richardo?
There are 20 people or so that are masters with OpenZone..
Others are like me, where they know how to use it, but they suck really bad.
The last are clueless =P.

[Cisyouc]

The only person that seems to have actual working knowledge of OpenZone is kahn, and he is busy with EQA (he only uses OA to convert it to s3d too, he doesnt use it to build zones).

I beg to differ. Are u forgetting Cleaver? Richardo?
There are 20 people or so that are masters with OpenZone..
Others are like me, where they know how to use it, but they suck really bad.
The last are clueless =P.Yes there ARE others, Kahn was just an example, my bad on wording. But I highly doubt there are 15 skilled OpenZone users that are not already on other projects. I would not go as far to say there are 20...

Im sure others agree with me on this.

[sotonin]

20? ive seen maybe 3 or 4 ever post anything they've done. and heard nothing about or from anybody else .

[Deimos]

There are 15-20 =D. I guess you learned something new today =) Sotonin =).

[KhaN]

Everyone can master OZ, OZ isnt a graphic tool, and will never be designed for it, OZ is a tool that allow to sturturate a zone merging mesh/texture, it doesnt require any "art" talent. Using OZ is fairly easy, especially now since WC added online tutorial, with a little effort, all can use OZ. But if i would have to name "OZ Masters" it would be WC, Shadow-Wolf and Killspree, no more.

What will you really need ? Graphists, because even if you have an OZ Master, without mesh / texture to use under OZ, your OZ Master will be unable to make zones. And trust me talented graphists are rarest than C++ coders.

Making zones with OZ is cake, even my grand'ma can do it, making contents that will allow you to make those zones ? This is the problem, and it will be a goddamn task, im working on WoA and i intend to do totally new zones, and all i can say you if you want to do the same, is ... cya in a few years.

[relorm500]

I think he should learn someting new everyday lol.
Not to flame, ,etc. etc.

[Cisyouc]

I think he should learn someting new everyday lol.
Not to flame, ,etc. etc.Nobody is flaming!! Good god.

And well said, Kahn.

[Deimos]

Very well said Khan. That reminds me also, I forgot to add on there this:
I am looking for 5-10 Artists as well =P.

[monalin crusader]

Goodluck getting that many people, if you get that many skilled people all of EQEmulator is gone so i dont think that will ever happen hehe.

[relorm500]

Goodluck getting that many people, if you get that many skilled people all of EQEmulator is gone so i dont think that will ever happen hehe.

He is right. You wont find anyone with that kinda skill, because there all prolly on another project.

And Buddy C. stfu please.

Also, i get sick and tired of people ex. Sotonin just flammin on the newbs like they are ruler of the board or something.....sorry, this doesn't belong in here.

.....uh ohh here comes sotonin with his post, oh wait or is that his girlfriend Buddy C..........................................

[Cisyouc]

Goodluck getting that many people, if you get that many skilled people all of EQEmulator is gone so i dont think that will ever happen hehe.

He is right. You wont find anyone with that kinda skill, because there all prolly on another project.

And Buddy C. stfu please.

Also, i get sick and tired of people ex. Sotonin just flammin on the newbs like they are ruler of the board or something.....sorry, this doesn't belong in here.

.....uh ohh here comes sotonin with his post, oh wait or is that his girlfriend Buddy C..........................................I dont think anyone in this thread has truly 'flamed' anyone. Putting things into prospective like 15 OpenZone Developers and the 40 staff members is most probably not going to happen and we are just trying to state this. A flame directly attacks a specific person, which I at least have not done.

An egotist as you have called Sotonin and I are not what we are. And after reading your posts for awhile it seems to me that for some reason when you get the opportunity to shoot back at people who dont agree with you, you do, probably to increase your own ego. Except those who are obviously of high power, such as melwin; whom you seem to suck up to.

Sorry, just my observations. I won't post in this thread anymore, as its just pointless to continue arguing and getting no where.

Feel free to flame me for being honest.

[sotonin]

This is not a flame, It is a Fine Post.


just because you put this at the end doesn't protect you when you flame.

[relorm500]

it's supposed to be funny unlike your URL.

[Draupner]

it doesnt require any "art" talent.

I disagree :p

[Tzwizard]

Goodluck getting that many people, if you get that many skilled people all of EQEmulator is gone so i dont think that will ever happen hehe.

He is right. You wont find anyone with that kinda skill, because there all prolly on another project.

And Buddy C. stfu please.

Also, i get sick and tired of people ex. Sotonin just flammin on the newbs like they are ruler of the board or something.....sorry, this doesn't belong in here.

.....uh ohh here comes sotonin with his post, oh wait or is that his girlfriend Buddy C..........................................


I Totally think we need to ban bafoon, hes trying to up his post count :roll:

[killspree]

No, he's right. Using openzone itself doesn't really require any art talent. But object design definitely takes creativity and knowledge of programs like 3ds max, etc. If your goals are to create EQLive-like and better zones(OoW for example), you'll want to use a hybrid OpenZone + objects created with external 3d programs(Maya, 3DS Max, etc.) system.

[Deimos]

I agree that no one has yet flamed in this thread, kk, except for relorm, who just flamed. Everyone has said their opinions, such as how the heck we are going to get that many staff. Also, that is how much I would like to have, hehe, I don't know if I will get that many. Hoping for atleast 1-2 of each thing though =).

Also, thank you for still no flamiing and turning this back into a war-zone, plus, thanx for cutting down on most of the arguing. Keep it up guys. This post is turning into a massive conversation about how to make a good server =). Atleast I think this. You have all put in opinions about how to make a good server, and this is great =D. Also, Cisyouc, if you want to post in this thread again, no one is stopping you =). I am learning much from this thread myself, as are probably others.

I have a question for you all though:
When is too much for a server, because, some-times, when a server is too good, no one will play it. If the patch is like EQLive, people won't like it. When should you stop making new zones and such to make the server rating go up. Sometimes other connections also can't handle all of the things in the server, and you start losing players. Just wondering where I should go with this. I want to do a lot, but, I don't think everything can go into this server.

Input would be great. Still haven't gotten any complaints, suggestions, etc in email. Send me your input, I am not going to go crazy all over you like some people =P.

Tx all, this is becoming an amazing thread with many opinions.

[Cripp]

first.. put your eyes in the players position. like dont make unnecessary shit. and try to make things alot more convenient for the players. (this prolly would ruin all ideas but.. people like a click and play server alot better then downloading files to play) and.. hmmm ya more features the better, try to get the "ever" part of everquest in =D be creative, try to be original.. dont steal others ideas.. hmmm if i think of anything else, yea..

second.. be on your GMs case alot, dont let them do dumb shit. corrupt GMs = unhappy or uneven players (uneven as in a gm giving them armor/weapon or buffs they shouldnt have)

ummm yea thats all i got you ya i guess.. duno if you even need any of those tips or not, but... im kinda talkin outta my ass atm so.... right....

[Deimos]

lol =), nice Cripp =P.

[relorm500]

I think we should Ban Bafoon for trying to get his poost count up :roll: .


I dont give a hell about my damn post count.

[relorm500]

Sorry Deimos for all the yelling, i just get really mad sometimes.

[Tzwizard]

we dont care bafoon , nobody likes you......

[sotonin]

yes, we are in agreement there

[Tzwizard]

yes, we are in agreement there

Amen to that!

[TwitchyF3rr3t]

yes, we are in agreement there


I'm new to forums, so forgive me if I dont respect you, but ive been browsing the forums and every time a noob asks a good question he seems to get flamed and your name is always on the list.

Theres a fine line between helping people and this emulator by answering noobs questions, and flaming them. I think your starting to cross that line sotonin.

I know someone is gonna be mad at me since im new to the forums, calling me a noob, etc. But you can just think of me as a neutral party in this argument.

[sotonin]

Show some evidence to back up your claim.

Your idea of "flaming" may be very lax then. If you mean posting quick responses telling them to search or read the tutorials, then yep, i guess i do. There's a very huge amount of people who come around asking the same things 20 times a day without reading anything.

I don't insult them or put them down i just tell them to read first ask questions later. Sorry if you think this is flaming. If you do you should perhaps try some other forums, because we aren't as tight up as you apparently.

[Tzwizard]

yes, we are in agreement there


I'm new to forums, so forgive me if I dont respect you, but ive been browsing the forums and every time a noob asks a good question he seems to get flamed and your name is always on the list.

Theres a fine line between helping people and this emulator by answering noobs questions, and flaming them. I think your starting to cross that line sotonin.

I know someone is gonna be mad at me since im new to the forums, calling me a noob, etc. But you can just think of me as a neutral party in this argument.

Seriously, Bafoon ( relorm ) is 100% annoying.... If u check every little topic, he has a post in it with like "agreed" or " yea yea i know about dr8" ...

He trys to help the community but he makes it worse by posting un-approperiate posts ...

[Cisyouc]

He trys to help the community He does?

[daeken_bb]

He trys to help the community He does?

He tries... but he doesn't succeed. lol

[Tzwizard]

He trys to help the community He does?

He tries... but he doesn't succeed. lol

Thats what I Meant :P lol

[Melwin]

This thread is going to Drama Central if it doesn't get back on topic very, very soon.

[Tzwizard]

Got ya Melwin......


* CHANGES TOPIC*

Well creating intros & Stuff to me wont be enabled till OpenEQ comes out & that wont come out for a while because of, uhhhhh...... I dont know , Ask SoE.....

Your asking months to even years out of someones life to make a project that might not even make it :oops:

[daeken_bb]

Well creating intros & Stuff to me wont be enabled till OpenEQ comes out & that wont come out for a while because of, uhhhhh...... I dont know , Ask SoE....

SoE has nothing to do with it. I can't yet devote all of my time to the project... I have other obligations to meet.

[Tzwizard]

Same, School right now is main priority, I got a parole officer & if i dont keep a 70+ , I got to J.V , & I dont want to go there so same as what you said, I cant devote my life to a project so i can probaly only work for 30minuetes to 1-hour...

[Deimos]

Hey all, don't worry about the eqclient or openEQ or any of that, I got it all asituated =). My dad is actually going to help me one of these weekends with eqclient and such, sorta like a father son thing I guess =D, that is how I talked him into it, lol.
Do not worry about intro's, got that covered too =). What we need to worry about still is a future host, for when we get testers, and a temporary host, for GM Staff. We also need to worry about site so we can stop posting in forums, kk. I am talking about a really, really, nice pay-site. I am stilll looking at VDecks, but also looking at Amigo.

-Attention-
I have to cut GM-Bafoon from the team. All of the other staff are now threatening to leave the project if I do not cut you. I already lost Bamboo, I am not willing to lose an entire staff for one person. Sry Bafoon =(. I tried to keep you on, but they are threatening me that they are going to leave, and I cannot afford to lose the entire staff for your sakes.

[daeken_bb]

Hey all, don't worry about the eqclient or openEQ or any of that, I got it all asituated =). My dad is actually going to help me one of these weekends with eqclient and such, sorta like a father son thing I guess =D, that is how I talked him into it, lol.

Ok... now this is just getting stupid. If you _honestly_ think you're going to be able to modify the official client, you have _no_ clue about the limitations of what you can do by disassembling/hex editing. And if you think you're going to be able to modify OpenEQ to get it to the point of even connecting to a server and walking around, you have no clue about the current state of the project... we're close, but not close enough that a weekend of work by anyone who doesn't know both the codebase and the involved technology inside and out can finish it.

[relorm500]

This server wont make it.

[Cisyouc]

This server wont make it.<offtopic>didnt you leave?</offtopic>

[Tzwizard]

he was kicked out a long time ago.........

[Deimos]

Listen, I don't know about everyone else, but I am sticking to this server, kk. I haven't been able to work on it lately, due to massive amounts of work being assigned. This is my current life:
Get up
Go to school:
work
After School:
Work
Get Home:
Work
go to bed
That is my life atm, lol. I sometimes have to stay up from 30 minutes to two hours after I normally go to bed to get it all done, lol. I hope I will get time this weekend or the weekend after to play with the source, that way I can send it to someone, and they can host it, this way Staff can start working on it.
-Relorm was kicked awhile back-

Still looking for more staff and support as well as temporary host(s)

[Mongrel]

Sorry to go offtopic again, but ...

And trust me talented graphists are rarest than C++ coders.

I disagree, talented (C++) coders are just as rare as talented artists. If an untalented person creates a chair you'll instantly think "man, this is a crappy chair", because we all KNOW how a realistic chair should look like. Every person on this planet can tell the difference between a good artist and a bad one.

However, anyone can look up some tutorials about coding and claim that it's his own code. Even if it's bad code, but does what it is supposed to do, it's hard for most people to tell whether it's good or bad code. Only talented programmers can tell the difference between those.

That's why you get the impression that good artists are so rare.

[KhaN]

Mongrel, my whole post is about EQEmu / OZ, what you quoted wasnt general, but applied to EQEmu and OZ, where there are way more c++ coders than modelers.

[Mongrel]

1. How do you know that there are more (talented) coders than (talented) artists?

2. There aren't that many talented coders here.

My coding abilities are way better than my modelling abilities, none of those two would qualify as "talented". Above average, yes; genius, no :P

[gayfag~]

KhaN wrote:
And trust me talented graphists are rarest than C++ coders.

disagre .. maybe on eqemu forums thats true.. but not in game development in general.

[Deimos]

Everyone, project is no longer on hold. I have been talking with Adam and we decided to combine LOTD and TPOC. He will be in charge though because I have found that I do not have time to run a server. The name of LOTD will probably be kept, has a very low chance of changing.

A lot of the same stuff you all know, but with a LOTD twist =), we are both putting in things and mixing them together. Same Guild System. There is one new thing thouhg, we are back to doing a *seperate* login-server, new login-pictures, exc. We might even put this on CD and sell it to people for 10$ instead of downloading basically a completely different 10 gig game, which is probably what it will be. Same ideas, but more zones, more planets, exc. The staff will be large.

All staff for TPOC are now to report to LOTD plz =), thx. We need you all =). The server will be like wr, it will stay one 5.7 DR6, becuz everyone likes how the source is set-up =P.


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