CKE PVE EQ CLASSIC server...

[Sicpric]

Its been down all day long, anyone know whats going on with it and why its down?


-Thorn/Szadek

[Tantalar]

Yeah, I think I know what happened. He probably got a huge virus from eqclassic.org

[Sicpric]

That or Jenco forgot to pay his bills. I need my fix, i hope its up by tomorrow morning heh.

[nilbog]

help us jenco!

[tryfaen]

It's disapointing that the server is down with no word from jenco, this server is very nice with a friendly community and jenco works hard to fix problems.
I will miss it if its gone.

[Manix25]

Every server I join kicks the bucket.Hopefully not this time,was still enjoying it.

[nilbog]

Its only been a day.. surely he is trying to fix it, or has no internet. big problem is the webpage is hosted from the same pc ? :confused:
perhaps the members could offer help with a server?

[jenco420]

I'm working on the server atm , tho it will be locked for a few days while i work out the lag issues effecting everyone. I took the forums down because it was a drama fest, and i don't feel like dealing with that ~.~

[tryfaen]

oh man im dying here.

[Sicpric]

Jenco speaks! Forgive my doubts master...

[Sicpric]

Can we get some updates? I'm curious as to how the progress with the server is coming, would love to play my toons again =x

[aendain]

Yes, please update us, and also put the boards back up... No one is going to flame you, we all just want to know what is going on. There are probably some people who still do not have a clue why the boards and server are down.

[Throttle]

Well, this is the first time I feel fully justified in criticizing Jenco. He has done a few somewhat questionable things before while I've played on his server, but this is really disappointing. You don't just bring a server down for several days without letting the playerbase know until they inquire on a different forum (here). Are you really just "fixing some lag"? From Tuesday to Friday, and who knows how much longer? Taking down the forums as well in order to avoid flames? We don't pay to play, but this is poor service none the less.

[Cvinion]

Well, this is the first time I feel fully justified in criticizing Jenco. He has done a few somewhat questionable things before while I've played on his server, but this is really disappointing. You don't just bring a server down for several days without letting the playerbase know until they inquire on a different forum (here). Are you really just "fixing some lag"? From Tuesday to Friday, and who knows how much longer? Taking down the forums as well in order to avoid flames? We don't pay to play, but this is poor service none the less.

You arte right, you don't pay, and from the work jenco has put into this project I think he deserves eight thumbs up, amazing work and if he has tot ake downt he server let him, it is his sandbox.

Sorry to sound rude I just hate when people getting a free game to play almost every single day are mad because they think they feel as if they are owed something instead of just enjoying the great thing they have at their fingertips 99% of the time.

[Tantalar]

I think that what everyone is thinking is that over the time that we have all spent on the server we have all become friends and while I don't really know Jenco and we dont have conversations... It seems that in this situation I think most people expect him to say something like "Hey guys, I just wanted to let you all know that I am going to be taking the server down until I am able to fix the severe lag problem. It might take a few days or even longer but I can't tell you an exact date."

This sort of makes it feel like we are on a server with a guy who is in charge of running the show instead of just some dude hosting a server who wants nothing to do with the people playing on it and doesn't care at all about them.

I didnt come here to bash him but I think if he doesnt tell people that he is taking down the server even then a lot of people will think very poorly of him and the server population will go down. I really dont want that to happen! I don't see why he would want a smaller population, so none of it makes any sense to me either.

[Throttle]

To clarify, I'm not dissatisfied that he needs to bring the server down to fix something; I'm questioning the prospect of doing it for an extended period of time without telling the players anything until they come here and ask. That is extremely inconsiderate, and it appears to be a trend in Jenco. It's usually acceptable because it's not that huge a deal, even if it's a bit of a nuisance that you log in one day to see your spells wiped and your char placed in a tutorial zone which then takes an hour to fix so you can leave and another couple of hours before the spell merchants are actually loaded, to pose a similar example. This is different, though - if noone had come on here and asked, I would have thought that Jenco had pulled the plug on the server. When you're administering a server of any kind that has a userbase, you're expected to let those users know if you're bringing the server out of service for any significant length of time. Especially since Jenco has a previous case of GMing a server and just one day vanishing, as seems to be the case according to reports from players of that server.

We all appreciate the work that Jenco puts in, and I have very few complaints about him as a GM, but I wish he wouldn't leave us in the dark like this. I hope that next time he makes some major change, he warns the players a day or two in advance so that they're not caught by unpleasant surprise too often. I don't currently play, but I intend to return at some point so I follow the server's status. It should make no difference whether or not I am currently active, and I believe my point goes for any player on Jenco's server. It would have been completely unacceptable if we had been paying customers, and even though we aren't, I think that anything which doesn't go with paying customers is something you should do your best not to do in any case. If he wants to keep a playerbase, that is.

[Sicpric]

Jenco has, by far, the most original EQ server in all of EQ EMU. If he would bring at least bring the website backup so we, as players, can communicate and discuss issues rather than inquire the status of our server on these forums.
And i know the server is free but I'd gladly donate the Jenco to help him out with his cause, because nothing beats classic EQ :)

[Manix25]

Oh,Im pretty sure the server is done.My advise to everyone is to find another,I dont think youll be seeing CKV back up.Was anyone even experiencing any lag?I wasnt.
Thanks for the time,and the server was a fun experience,I just dont think,with the way this whole situation has been handled from start till now,that well see it again.
Thanks for the fun groupage Drox,Teershek, and especially Majortom,fun old times groups.Look for Kenian fighting the good fight on another server all./wave

[warhawk]

Its a shame this server seems to have died. Was having fun times here.

this quote from another thread seems to ring true ...


Forgive me for being blunt about this. I have no interest in trashing your work as I like classic EQ quite a bit - but I do have a question I'd like to see answered and I think it's only fair for everyone else you're trying to get to play on your server if I do it in public:

What makes this Classic EQ Trilogy Server different from the one you ran back in fall of last year, jenco? What makes me want to take you at your word that you are going to stick around this time and not disappear into limbo without even telling your GMs about it like last time?

Those are questions I'd like answered before I spend time leveling a classic char on your server... again.

[Throttle]

If the player of Mouya reads this, would you send me a PM or mail me at throttlesays@hotmail.com?

[Throttle]

Its a shame this server seems to have died. Was having fun times here.

It's a damn shame. It was starting to become a really good server, and it seemed like Jenco truly liked working on it. Maybe he worked too hard and ran out of steam.

Considering that Jenco was normally very good at keeping us updated along the way when he was working on something, that noone seems to have actually lagged prior to him bringing the server down to fix our supposed lag issues, and that it has been down since Tuesday (I believe), I'm afraid that this does indeed look like the end of CKV_EQ. I hope that's not the case, maybe he has been too busy or caught up in other RL things, but this is just so different from the usual downtimes.

If we're wrong, I ask that Jenco post here as soon as possible. I for one don't mind the server being down for a week or more if that's what it takes, as long as we're not left to guess and speculate about its future.

[swank nightmare]

I'm not ready to say it's down for good, I work a strange schedule and am home during the daytime and I periodically check in on the server. Everyday I've seen the server up but locked, including this morning, which means Jenco's at least still working on it.

I hope for the sake of the very solid player base that was being built that Jenco replies to this thread or brings back up the boards, cause he had by far the best emu I've ever played on.

I know our enjoyment is directly based on his hard work, and because of that I refuse to be overly critical of the man, I just hope he can find the time to throw us a bone and let us know what's going on.

[Xzerion19]

I do recall getting pretty heavy lag the last day the server was up. So I am glad it is being addressed. Give Jenco a little bit of time. He posted here two days ago saying it would be a few days...people arent even waiting 2 full days after he posted that to start saying the server is done.

Now on a personal note I understand this is Jenco's server and it will be done his way and all, but the lack of communication around this and a few other things puzzles me. If someone puts up a public server I would imagine they would want people to play on it and keep playing on it and the way this is being handled in my opinion kind of shows disregard for the playerbase, with the server and forums being pulled with no notice untill someone asked here. Not bitching, just expressing my thought.

Someone else said something similar to this has happened before? I would appreciate knowing some details on that if possible.

[malaldil]

Jenco is not offering you or anyone else a "service" by hosting a server, he is allowing you the priviledge of playing on *his*.
Build, code, and maintain your own EQemu server if you are that hard up to play.
I find it ridiculous to criticize someone who spends his own time and money to give you and anyone else a free server.

[Rathora]

CKV is by far the best EQ Classic server on here. I won't give up on it as an ex-gm (Twice) but hell, wanting the server up is all I am hearing from you people... not counting the ones who were not complaining. Jenco works hard on the server, and works hard to have it up for the community to play on. Anyone who thinks they have a right to play on it whenever they want to is wrong... I don't know about anyone else but I am disappointed at the people thinking CKV won't come up, or think they have a god given right to play there at any time benefiting them. Not trying to start a huge drama fight here, so please do not think I am.

You can also look me up as Rashengone in game.
Also, great job on the server thus far Jen, it truly is a wonderful site to see!

Oh and Xzerion yes it did happen before. Someone named Nick (Player Avatar) hosted the server, only had it up for a few days though before I got it explained to me that Jenco was taking it over. I was a GM at that time as well for those wondering what I mean by Ex-gm (twice)

[Throttle]

Well, it's been fun. I'm out, whether or not he actually does bring the server back up at some point. Don't hold your breath.

Tershek

[aendain]

Let me know if you fellows find another good server. PM or just reply here.

I still find it tough to believe that he would put so much work into something just to scrap it, so I'm holding onto some hope.

For all you who have no business on this thread that decide to tell us how we should be acting... use your imagination.

Majortom

[alldead]

i'm extremely bummed to see the server vanish. think Jenco would give up the code for someone else to host a server? i know it's a lot of work to just hand over, but a lot of work not being used is worse.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

This is Mouya's player. I still have the source that Jenco mailed me a few days before I quit in disgust.

I do not have the database, however.

[Throttle]

Anyone got Jenco's email or aim or something? I belive Tantalar was interested in running a server, so maybe we can salvage what's needed.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tantalar say that he never actually played during classic?

[Throttle]

I don't know, but I don't see how that's relevant in regards to whether or not he could host a classic server. He doesn't have to be the one who codes stuff, he can just launch the finished product, right? What we had was fairly playable, certainly better than nothing. I dunno.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

I'd say the best thing to do would just to load up the PEQ database, restrict it to original EQ zones, and then go through and just remove everything that wasn't classic/kunark/velious. Quests, like the newbie armor ones, those damn treants in GFaydark.

[Throttle]

How much adjustment is needed in regards to mob stats and such? I've never really looked into the PEQ database, but I remember that a lot of things were way off in terms of hp, spell lists, loot/spawn tables and so on.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

Loot tables are rather off and would have to be dramatically adjusted for many zones -- noobie zones in particular, as you'd have to remove a good deal of the drops as they're non-classic. Fortunately, though you might have 30 different points where a_skeleton spawns, all those generally use the exact same loot table, so you only have to change it once.

Everything is extremely easy to adjust -- it's just time consuming. The part that would need the most tweaking would be drop rates/spawn rates for some of the rarer creatures.

Another big part would be adding in drops that aren't there anymore.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

The problem really isn't editing the database. I have virtually nothing to due until the Fall Semester starts, and from the work I'd done on a previous, aborted attempt at a Classic Server (what I was working on before I found Jenco's), I could sanatise about 1 zone an hour (remove non-classic spawns and loot, balance drop rates, etc.) There are something like 50 zones in classic EQ, so that'd be about 6 or 7 days working 8 hours a day on it. Going through the quests and sorting out what is classic and what isn't would be annoying, but also easily doable -- it's just a large volume of tedium.

[edit]As I forgot to say, the problem is really obtaining hosting. I have an old desktop that I could put MySQL, Perl, and EQEmu on -- however I live in a residence with a roommate, and I don't think our cable connexion could handle more than a dozen or so players at once, and probably not more than half a dozen without tanking our outbound connexion.

[Throttle]

I'd help in any way I can if it results in a functional server. Do we have anyone dedicated enough to run it and, you know, keep doing so? Tantalar said he wanted to host a server, but since he knows nothing about it and has never done so before, I think we should try for a better solution first. I can barely run two instances of EQ on this piece of junk laptop, unfortunately. The best solution would be a commercial server line, but that costs money and stuff.

[aendain]

I would be more than willing to work with sdtuarst on the database. I have a lot of info stored in my head about the way things were back then, and we could cut it into shape very quickly.

I have no advice for hosting a server though, If Tantalar has the physical means to do it, then I'm sure we can get it running.

[Xzerion19]

I stumbled across a new server called complexity that lists as being a classic progression. Seems very similar to Jencos....keep me in the loop with what you guys do though.

Xz

[Manix25]

I ran across that server too,and yes it does seem very very "similar"to Jencos CKV.A little too similar maybe?

[tryfaen]

I ran across that server too,and yes it does seem very very "similar"to Jencos CKV.A little too similar maybe?

It looks like someone heard the pleas from so many people to have a classic progression server and decided to step up to the plate.

[Throttle]

Does it have a website?

[swank nightmare]

Complexity is really rough right now. Your toon doesn't start with a weapon or food, no quest, including turning in you letter to your guildmaster is working. It may turn the corner, but it's a lot further away than Jenco's was.

I like the ideas and would be willing to help out in any way I can.

[Xzerion19]

http://complexity.net78.net/

[Throttle]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/Tershek/jenco.jpg

[Tantalar]

The server is not classic. If you want classic check out http://www.kheprigames.com/ someone needs to host that client and then we will have classic...

[sdtuasrt, MD]

Tantalar, it seems that you have no understanding of either computer programming nor copyright law.

It is technically illegal to host old versions of the files, or new versions, for that matter. Which is why you a required to have a copy of titanium. Hosting any of the client files will get SoE to start sending take-down notices for copyright infringement, as you don't have the legal right to distribute their copyrighted works.

And it's not as simple as just using an older version of the emulator and database with that client version. There is a good deal of work that has gone into the emulator since then that has not been backpatched into older versions of the emulator. If you've never worked on a complex software project you're just not going to understand the sheer amount of work that would be involved.

You also want something that you're just never going to get. The past is gone, and you need to let go of it. You seem to also have a very warped view of what classic was like, and how hard it was. You are never going to find a magical time machine that will transport you back to 1999 so you can play the original game. And honestly, you seem to care more about the appearance of the UI than you do about actual faithfulness to the classic EverQuest.

[Throttle]

The server is not classic. If you want classic check out http://www.kheprigames.com/ someone needs to host that client and then we will have classic...

I was referring more to the fact that Jenco is now apparently hosting that server, judging by the MOTD and the recognizable *GM-Impossible* tag.

[Tantalar]

www.eqclassic.org is using the old client. They are doing it. They think they can get away with it and have thousands of followers who think they can do it. They ARE doing it. I dont know if they are going to get away with it and I dont care if they are going to get away with it.

I never talked about myself hosting the old client. I talked about hosting a server like the CKV server. You twist everything that I say and then use it to attack me relentlessly and it is really fucking annoying so just stop it already. I am sick of hearing your constant bitching. If you cant go one post without bashing and or degrading me, just don't bother posting! I don't come to these forums to hear a rampant assault on me. I'm not here to harass you,attack you, and vent my frustrations about you like some immature child, so if you cant grow up then just leave.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

Just because it's being done does not mean it's legal.

If you can't stand someone pointing out holes in your reasoning, then you need to find a different reality to exist in.

There have been EQ Emulator servers that have gone down because they were hosting old files.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

Also, I might direct your attention to the forum rules:

Warez Is NOT Allowed
-This includes the transfer of any copyrighted material, including EQ Files and backpatches. Requesting files, even in a PM, will result in a ban.

[Sims]

Yes, its possible, but as stated already it infringes on the copyrights. Also would take a lot of time to actually set up a server that you are looking for. Most people have tried but ended up burning out after awhile. Only a old school server operators are still around.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

I think the quickest way would be to use the PEQ release of the Luclin DB and block off the Luclin zones.

That way you'd have a little less work to do.

[edit] That and coin across the board needs to be alot less than what it is now.

[Tantalar]

please... please... please! You are the one who thinks that Phinny should be killable by 1 person 3 boxing each at level 50, with pre planar gear and prior to Vox and Nagafen... You are out of your mind... and you are saying that I am clueless when it comes to classic everquest?

I really hope someone locks this thread because that is the only way that anyone will shut you up. Constantly, just constantly you feel the need to point out every single detail that you disagree with and then explain in great depth why they are wrong even if you yourself are wrong.

[sdtuasrt, MD]

Please go learn about logic, rhetoric, and debate.

If the Project EQ database is a reliable mirror of live, and 3 people are able to kill Phinny, then he must be killable on live by 3 people.

If you like, I can get on PEQ, de-level my characters, and go kill him with my pre-planar gear.

If you cannot defend your stance in a rational, logical, fashion, there are usually two reasons: You don't understand how to, or you can't because your position is undefendable.

[Tantalar]

If this was 1999 and you were trying to kill him you could never kill him with 3 characters and you know it. PEQ is not like EQ from 1999 and it never will be if people like you are in charge.

Don't say that it is just like EQ from 1999 because it isn't. If this was 1999 and you thought then what you think now, your 3 characters would be brutally massacred.