Any server with Full Bots?

[Nytewind]

Are there any servers up and running with full bot commands?

[Congdar]

The Realm has full bot support.

[Nytewind]

Ok, I've been playing on that server, just curious if there were any others. The bots on The Realm are a lot of fun. I'm just surprised that there is like zero population on the server.

[titan_g]

Seems to me there are a ton of servers with bots, or at least trying them out. Unfortunately, none specifically come to mind at the moment, as I tend not to mess with them.

[Angelox]

Legacy of the Rathe Server has full bots

[Ikeren]

Ok, I've been playing on that server, just curious if there were any others. The bots on The Realm are a lot of fun. I'm just surprised that there is like zero population on the server.


Quiet is nice. When you can do raid encounters at higher levels, you don't want a high-population server where everything is killed constantly.

[KingMort]

Bots ? lol as in Macroquest???

yeah well i don't really think thats cool and frankly i don't think it should be allowed in the eqemu community... not sure why the devs / mods here have laxed on this but it's revolting... People like myself who work on a server for as long as I have (6+ years now off and on) should not have to let this thing get past us...

For me this is no longer a tennis match and no longer just ok to let them get away with it.. I am glad the MQ2 stuff went in but why allow such things to even exist around here is beyond me...

Now if i am Confusing your BOTS with something else thats not MQ2 I apologize but i needed to get that off my chest... The job you guys are doing in EQEMU now the devs is so amazing btw.. Not saying that you agree with this... I hope that the catches for more cheaters comes in soon and I hope that we rid the community once and for all of them...


King

Please Mods, I veto to have any such Macro quest / MQ2 discussions on eqemu forums deleted

PSS .. If you are talking about BOTS as in some new Everquest Feature OMG please forgive me haha

[MNWatchdog]

The ignorant have spoken! All bow down to the ignorant and heed their will!

Seriously KingMort. Heres a appropriate quote. It is better to be quiet and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

[Ikeren]

What confuses me, is the project has been going on for years, was a major thread in the "Developement custom Code" section, has an entry on the EQEmu Wiki, and now it's own forum subsection. Furthermore, several servers have started saying things like "Server Name --- Custom Legit --- Bots Enabled!" or "we have bots!"

Regardless of all this, you (KingMort) acts like this is a surprising new development that suddenly arose from nowhere, rogue coders trying to impliment devious code to ruin EQEmu. And rather then do a little research to confirm these suspicions, your first response was to post a rant here about how this horrible practice shouldn't be allowed. Unless of course, you actually have no idea what we are actually talking about, but hope some other horrible practice shouldn't be allowed, and are confusing that one and this one.

Here, let me explain it.

What bots do is allow you to summon a raid force of bots; up to 71 of them; of class and race composition up to you. They start naked (no free gear, unless you're already playing on a freedom server) and they are made to behave as much like 71 random players as possible. They buff their own groups, but won't buff out of groups, don't use discs very effectively, can't use some AA's, Clerics won't make complete heal chains...but on the bright side, they don't Ninja AFK.

So instead of playing as an indivudual, you play as a raid-leader of a raid guild, as much of EQ content was designed for in regards to the Velious, Luclin, and Planes of Power content. Rather then making content easier or trying to come up with the numbers required (hard on any but the most popular servers) you can actually play through EQ as if it was live. The project is referred to as "EQOffline" as it allows a person to set up their own server offline and still run a raid (but several online servers offer the same option)

Perhaps not surprisingly, this has nothing to do with Macroquest. On the bright side, you had the foresight to apologize, if not to refrain from making the post.

[KingMort]

The ignorant have spoken! All bow down to the ignorant and heed their will!

Seriously KingMort. Heres a appropriate quote. It is better to be quiet and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.


Awwww... so sensitive ! Does somebody need a hug ???

Ikeren thank you for the description of this.. It's the first time I have heard of it..

King

[MNWatchdog]

Awwww... so sensitive ! Does somebody need a hug ???

Ikeren thank you for the description of this.. It's the first time I have heard of it..

King
I love hugs. Now, the self rightous annoy the hell out of me and the above isnt your first self rightous post.

Truth is, without MQ and ShowEQ, I doubt Emu would be where it is today.

[KingMort]

Ok didn't mean to offend you to each his own I guess..

I personally hate MQ because I played live since 2001 and I think it went a long way to ruin Everquest.. Also since I have worked on my server for so long , it sucks when people come on it and cheat to give themselves an unfair advantage.... That would be 6 years of my life basicly going to waste... Perhaps you were someone I banned from my server for using MQ... And thats why your after me so hard core... Who knows, but I have been around this project a hell of a lot longer than you friend.. And I will tell you this it does no good for this community as far as Server Ops like myself... So as I said to each his own and please mind your mouth because you do not have the full story because obviously you have never put that much effort into something then have some A$$hole come and exploit the crap out of things giving him and his friends an unfair advantage..

Again no offense to the BOT program, that actually sounds really cool !!!

But if you want a debate Macroquest.. You will not find me backing down from my end of the argument...

King

[KingMort]

Oh PS... Ty KLS and whoever else worked on the anti MQ2 code.. You are a godsend !

again sorry to offend you sir.. I am sure for Research reasons it can be very useful that is not what i meant to say .. I am just looking out for old school server ops.

King

[KingMort]

Sorry PSS...

We are now looking into engaging BOTS on RA <----- Which i would call shady terms btw... (We will call them Hired Goons as they were originally invented on Raid Addicts)

The Idea sounds great and will certainly be a huge upgrade to our original Goons!

However if your a player on my server these features will be certainly very expensive!!! Expect to pay lots of plat or guk coins hehe :)

Thanks for telling me about this and sorry for the confusion about the topic originally..

King

[So_1337]

All praise to TheLieka on the anti-MQ work. Really wish the punishment system would make it into the source. As it stands, only the detection is in.

And guys, each of you lighten up. Was silly for KingMort to post a huge denunciation without looking around the forums, but just read it and laugh like I did. It was funny, especially since he ended the post admitting he could be wrong.

Ah well, hope you have luck with the bot setup on RA =)

[Richardo]

Sorry PSS...

We are now looking into engaging BOTS on RA <----- Which i would call shady terms btw... (We will call them Hired Goons as they were originally invented on Raid Addicts)

The Idea sounds great and will certainly be a huge upgrade to our original Goons!

However if your a player on my server these features will be certainly very expensive!!! Expect to pay lots of plat or guk coins hehe :)

Thanks for telling me about this and sorry for the confusion about the topic originally..

King

KMRA ruined my life. :(

[KingMort]

Comfort

You never really played there though hehe :)

[Andarius]

My opinion: Bots kill the community.

[Angelox]

My opinion: Bots kill the community.
As you can see , there's a forum called 'EQOffline' for a very good reason; the original maker of the bots envisioned a 'home-box' version of EqEmu, where you could start a home server and play alone or with a few friends - and accomplish something in the game.
You can always disable this feature in the makefiles if you don't want it, so who ever has a server and has it on the public login, was by their own choice.
Personally, I think there are many other things to think about, that not only kill the community, but defeats the developers purpose of making all these fixes -such as, increased experience (or just set your own level), drop rates, multi-boxing, summon items, spells, etc.
Even on at home play with the bots, I'll agree it's too easy, and I have many ideas on how to correct this. But then we'll have another group of people saying 'It's too hard!'. and we added a set of rules, this would only further burden the over loaded rules table.
And really, why should we add rules to make a game easier or harder?
We should just make the game as it should be.

[Ikeren]

Personally, I think there are many other things to think about, that not only kill the community, but defeats the developers purpose of making all these fixes -such as, increased experience (or just set your own level), drop rates, multi-boxing, summon items, spells, etc.

First of all, I disagree with the statement that bots are kill the community. If they didn't exist, I wouldn't be playing on PEQ or any other server, I simply wouldn't be playing EQ. Furthermore, there are several instances where I have worked co-operatively with other people running full raids, and a few more I have planned in the future.

As for other fixes:
Experience multiplier toggle is perhaps more necessary on bot servers; but it's experience multiplier lowered, not experience multiplier increased.
Drop Rates: Still needed on Bot servers. We kill mobs and loot to equip a raid force the same as you would on any other server.
Multi-Boxing: You're right. This reduces the need to multi-box. But with hardware commitments required, I don't see this as a bad thing.
Summon Items: If you're referring to a freedom server command (#summon item IDNumber); then yes, summoning anything you want for your bots would be overpowering. That being said, it's a freedom server. Most other servers don't allow players to summon items for free.
Spells: Bots need updated spells and spell lists the same as players do.

Furthermore, even if all your complaints were justified and true (Bot players not needing to worry about exp, drop rates, or spells at all), bots are a small fraction of those playing on EQEmu. The server list has 5-6 servers with bots, and only 1 or 2 of them ever breaks 10 people. The vast majority are, and the vast majority will probably always be, PEQ/Raid Addicts/CEQ/Stormhaven/Etcetera. Which means the vast majority will still appreciate your coding in the way you intended it.

As for difficulty of encounters with bots; try running a naked raid of 71 against Bertox, Tallon Zek/Rallos Zek Script, Rydda Dar, Veeshan's Peak (all at PEQ difficulty). It can't be done. The only difference in challenge/difficulty, is with Bots, you can actually count on having a full raid. On any other server, you can't.

[ChaosSlayer]

bots or no bots - its all about making game PLAYABLE.

even on pEQ the raid boses only are at 10% of their true power cause otherwise they would be unkillable.

So you can either - have 70 bot raid force, OR you can tune down encounter to be done with 20 living people - the end result is the same.

what Emu gives you are OPTIONS- the more options, the more rules- the better for everyone, since people can play the game the way the WANT, and not the way someone decided- "best for everyone"

[Angelox]

I totally agree with you - I'm the first one who does not like the way things go on SOE live; never liked the slow exp, how incredibly hard a lot of the mobs were to kill. I always thought since I never got to see most good drops and mobs in the game, SOE cheated me out of my money; If I buy a game and pay money for it - I expect to see most of it with in a reasonable time of game play.

But regardless of what I like and do not like, I also don't think the game should be altered if we are going to call it an emulator.
'Everquest emulator' to me means we are attempting to follow the current original Everquest and be as close to it as possible.

[ChaosSlayer]

But regardless of what I like and do not like, I also don't think the game should be altered if we are going to call it an emulator.
'Everquest emulator' to me means we are attempting to follow the current original Everquest and be as close to it as possible.

well some of us don't just want easier game - we want diffirent game. rather than make eq easier - we want to make it diffirent - or MAKE IT RIGHT , if you will. And Emu provides perfect tools for (I say it AGAIN) playing the game every single individual WANTS TO PLAY. And I am among the people who will use every opportunity to alter the game in every way posible to make it the way I want it to be =P

[Richardo]

It's to make up for the lack of community on individual servers. Heck, even populated servers... :p

[Congdar]

My opinion: Bots kill the community.

Bots are available on Live now with the latest expansion. I doubt you can build up an entire raid but the community has decayed to the point where it's now an option to hire a mercenary bot.

[Davood]

my server has bots, but i removed the bot raiding "feature" because having 71 pets that you can hand decent weapons to is ridiculous and I watched some players basically sit back and send in 71 more or less naked bots to slaughter all sorts of raid content

[Congdar]

Somebody mentioned the peq database has raids tuned down to around 20 people. Now that we have 72 it would be nice to be able to crank up the difficulty instead. What's the formula CD?

[KingMort]

Bots are available on Live now with the latest expansion. I doubt you can build up an entire raid but the community has decayed to the point where it's now an option to hire a mercenary bot.


Yeah if we were to ever engage it on Raid Addicts which I do plan on doing. It will be only to the capability to help soloists / groupers , and not Raiders..