Press Conference

[Shawn319]

As of 7-9-2002, The EQEmu Team will no longer release, nor support "Minilogin", "PublicLogin" or any other
Loginserver binary or source do to licensing issues. We apologize if you can no longer use EQEmu do to the fact you MUST connect to the EQEmu Loginserver (eqlogin1.eqemu.org and eqlogin2.eqemu.org) in order to run a server and/or play.

As for the progress of 0.3.5, there has been some progress (yet very slowly) do to the fact we are running at 10% power. Most of the EQEmu coders are away, sleeping, working, dating or just not coding. We believe we may have found some answers to the zoning and disconnect issues but a fix is far from complete. We are still looking for more coders in order to fix up and release a fully working 0.3.5 by Christmas. If you wish to apply please post your resume in this thread: http://www.eqemu.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2813




**Update: The file causing the licensing issues has been remade by one of our remaining coders and may be used in EQEmu development very soon. this means we may be able to release Mini/Public login after all :)



-Shawn319 and the EQEmu Team

[Zio]

Two things.

1) THAT FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg, Noooooooo!

2) Is it alright if we post it on the forums, if you release the source and we work on it?
Please say you can :(\

3) if not that will suck bad.

[Zio]

Won't let me edit so heres more:

Yes, this will be a big loss. I see alot of people who have trouble with it will probably be leaving after the news post. Hopefully there are some people out there that can host fast servers on the EQEMu login. :mad:

Stupid licenses :rages:

[astemus]

Well, it was fun, but it looks like this project is pretty much dead. Guess SOE didn't have to go after them legally to stop the project. Good work on things, but you all should just cut your losses and move on to something that will actually succeed.

At least most of us will be able to clear out some space on our hard drives now :\

[stormgod]

only hope for the project now is maybe a real open source , else its dead...

[DeletedUser]

And stormgod, what is real opensource? phpMyAdmin is opensource, but you can't check into their CVS. Is it still opensource? Just because you can't get the latest at your will doesn't mean it isn't opensource. You really need to read the GPL.

[Shawn319]

To be a little more clear, the loginserver source (this includes all builds of Minilogin, PublicLogin and eqemu.net Login) is not under the GPL which means we do not have to release the source for this (and we dont want to for several reasons). The only problem is one file in the LS source was not made by us and IS under the GPL. So if we release minilogin or publiclogin binarys then we MUST release the source because of the one GPL file.

[kathgar]

More specifically login_opcodes.h... paste

/************************************************** *************************
login_opcodes.h - description
-------------------
begin : Wed Apr 4 2001
copyright : (C) 2001 by Xylor
email : [email]xylor@openquest.dhs.org[/email]
************************************************** *************************/

/************************************************** *************************
* *
* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify *
* it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by *
* the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or *
* (at your option) any later version. *
* *
************************************************** *************************/

#ifndef LOGIN_OPCODES_H
#define LOGIN_OPCODES_H

#define OP_LoginInfo 0x0100
#define OP_FatalError 0x0200
#define OP_SessionId 0x0400
//used to be 0400
#define OP_AllFinish 0x0500
#define OP_Chat_ChannelList 0x0600
#define OP_Chat_JoinChannel 0x0700
#define OP_Chat_PartChannel 0x0800
#define OP_Chat_ChannelMessage 0x0900
#define OP_Chat_Tell 0x0a00
#define OP_Chat_SysMsg 0x0b00
#define OP_Chat_CreateChannel 0x0c00
#define OP_Chat_ChangeChannel 0x0d00
#define OP_Chat_DeleteChannel 0x0e00
#define OP_Chat_UserList 0x1000
#define OP_Chat_ChannelWelcome 0x2400
#define OP_Chat_PopupMakeWindow 0x3000
#define OP_ServerList 0x4600
#define OP_SessionKey 0x8800 //4700
#define OP_RequestServerStatus 0x4800
#define OP_SendServerStatus 0x4A00
#define OP_LoginBanner 0x5200
#define OP_Chat_GuildsList 0x5500
#define OP_Chat_GuildEdit 0x5700
#define OP_Version 0x5900
#define OP_RegisterExpansion 0x6d00
#endif /* LOGIN_OPCODES_H */


Code pasted from an old version, with some modification

[Shawn319]

Yes that is the file in question. but good news, it has been remaqde by Waz and may be used in EQemu very soon. so this means we may be able to release minilogin/publiclogin after all :)

[stormgod]

Hogie I dont mean tricky things I mean that everyone can submit patch and see advancement status , not absolutely by being able to log into the CVS .
but a to do list , a priority list , things like that would really help
actually if I wanted to help I just dont know where to start what has been done , not any specs , not any documentation about which packets have been decoded which have not

the base thing I mean.

ok you can ask for new devs , but external people have to be really really really motivated to give a quick help , with minimal specifications documentations todo list you would have more help,
at least its what I think


(and I already have read the GPL but thats really not the point )

[Shawn319]

We still want external coders to help. but we also need more chat room coders that we can talk to instantly.

[DeletedUser]

We use to use the Sourceforge Task List all the time. We also used the Bug Tracker. Im thinking about setting up a Bugzilla and letting more come through it, since people have left the Task List alone (I love the Sourceforge Task list myself). We didn't stop using it, yall did.

[stormgod]

it would be so good to see it used again , I myself will be in vacations for the next 20 days and would gladly throw an eye on a todo list
and I agree with you that the task list from sourceforge is a great one

[Baltar]

wow what a relief public and minilogin may be released after all. whew doggy thx for the info shawn

[Aioros]

Am I still able to use Mini Login with the current patch?

And someone please explain to me how to use it? ( iF i can before 7-9 ). Like What do I need to do, ive been confused all the time and I want to try it before It is no longer usable.

[Yodason]

dont give out the loginserver source jackass!
LOGIN server src. (kindof works)

[Shawn319]

The loginserver is NOT GPL!

[Yodason]

yes it is you liar. THERE is a file in it that is GPL. ANY reported GPL violations will be taken seriously and reported to the FSF.

[Trumpcard]

Ahhh..

The blessed sounds of silence...

[Shawn319]

Just give up with the GPL stuff. we dont want people handing out the loginserver source to everyone and thats final. GPL or no GPL. In fact, all files in the loginserver source are NOW excluded from the GPL. so this means we can distribute minilogin/public login, ect without giving out the source (only way its gonna happen) so everyone should be thankful its NOT under GPL.

[hogosha]

such anger, lol

[Ariak]

:)

[donfi]

Yoda, do you really think Stallman cares about someone violating GPL if it is not his code. lol Do you really think He want to see GPL used as a club in violation of the spirit of GPL. Which is to provide software at a reasonable $rate. He would not care that one file in what 5, 10 or 15 is GPL when the others are not. One file can not change the copy right on the others. Further a court battle in this arrena could get all the work of the FSF reversed in a flash. Juries and Judges are human and therefore unpredicatable. Stallman and the FSF would avoid that possibility. FSF is an advocate of a way of life not an enforcement agentcy. They have little powere to force anyone to do anything.