VZTZ is down indefinitely. Bane of Life (Custom Classic PvP) entering beta. [Archive]

Meadowlands

08-03-2009, 09:43 PM

Yeah it's true. Nothing like the "Kid takes the ball and goes home" bullshit because of a few hackers. They took down the forums too mainly because of people from heresey and 8IU waving their e-peen.

I never got why people have to cheat in a game like this. Reminds me of the clowns in diablo 2 cheating. They act like they will get their name in the paper or some shit.

I must admit it makes me feel good knowing I killed lots without having to cheat.

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 10:07 PM

What the hell?

Naes

08-03-2009, 10:09 PM

Anyone wanna go ahead and put up an emu pvp server for the time being? Doesn't even have to be anything special, and you'll probably get a mass influx of population!

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 10:40 PM

It's a shame that I am still in development of my server. -_-

Elysius

08-03-2009, 10:45 PM

Can't say I blame the devs/GMs. The community was so saturated with complete shitheads, I'm surprised they didn't take it down even earlier.

Good luck BoL, hope you guys have thick enough skin to last as long as VZ/TZ did.

trevius

08-03-2009, 11:08 PM

Naes

08-03-2009, 11:12 PM

Nobody really knows what's going on with VZ/TZ, not even the staff.

They said they're aware of a half dozen or so hacks that can crash player clients and zones. It wasn't until guilds started using them in mass PvP that they took the server down.

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 11:19 PM

Is TZ/VZ really down for good, or is it just while they work out their hacker issues? If there are issues with the EQEmu code, maybe them starting a thread here could help to find a resolution to it. If they are susceptible to a hacker issue, we probably all are.

I really have no clue how TZ/VZ management deals with most of it's player-base. Every time they are down, I get clowns on my server stopping by to stir shit up for no reason. There is definitely a different attitude that comes with being from a PVP server that isn't the type of attitude I allow on my server. Hopefully someone will get a PVP server up soon to attract the PVP types :)

I found out why it went down. Gronkus (their host) was apparently a player in the game as well. Well, the developers of the server deemed it necessary to ban Gronkus (their Host) for unknown reasons. Gronkus did not like this and I think you can figure out what happened next. :) It is an unfortunate truth that VTZ is no longer a hosted server. I am sure Voidd or Null will revive the project but until then, I'd consider this a hiatus more than a 'dead server'.

I hope this informs the uninformed.

They said they're aware of a half dozen or so hacks that can crash player clients and zones. It wasn't until guilds started using them in mass PvP that they took the server down.

Yeah, things did really get out of hand. It's a damn shame.

Naes

08-03-2009, 11:22 PM

Really? That's not the story we got.

I remember some shady stuff going down with Gronkus in the past though.

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 11:23 PM

I asked Gronkus and that's his story. I tried to make it as unbiased as possible considering I really don't know what exactly happened.. Merely the jist.

Naes

08-03-2009, 11:27 PM

It'd be interesting to know what player/guild he was.

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 11:31 PM

Ok, so... correction... He wasn't a player. I just asked him. Apparently he was banned because there was some drama between him and Null. They said he was a 'loose cannon' and said he treated VTZ like his own 'sandbox'. Direct quotes from him... So I dunno. Just more Devdrama apparently..

Naes

08-03-2009, 11:41 PM

Oh dude that was like drama from a month or so ago. It was taken down now because the GMs couldn't police all the insta-camping and freezing player clients shennanigans that was going on. That and like two new dupe bugs were found and spammed all over the forums. People need to learn not to shit where they eat, because look what happens. Searyx, one of the lead GMs, said he wasn't going to let the server degenerate into a server full of hackers and exploiters.

It's still in hiatus as you said AFAIK, but there is no ETA on anything. :(

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 11:46 PM

We'll see... :/

egerha8815k

08-03-2009, 11:48 PM

I decided to quit hosting it for a few reasons, but I am not the one who pulled the plug on it. I agreed to contonue hosting until other arrangements were worked out.

I never actually played there as a toon ( except back in 2007 i got to lvl 14 then joined Daxum and Richardo as a staff member )

Alot of bad things happened, such as members of staff getting their emails hacked and social security numbers stolen along with credit card numbers etc.

I pretty much got fed up with the hackers a few months back, tried to bust some heads but other staff already knew about them and were working out some sort of deal with the hackers to find out how they were doing it and fix it, then let them stay. I am cool with that policy of cooperation, but I was not informed of the collaboration. Basicly I was kept in the dark, went off on the cheater, and got fed up with the lack of communication and left.

I got up today and check the forums around 2pm and found out the server was killed last night, turned on the server screen, and read the note from Searyx explaining he took the server down and I was pretty much right about the playerbase.

The bottom line? Dont shit where you eat, especially if the meal is provided free of charge.

And as for other PvP projects such as bane of life, I honestly wish you well. You can say that I held this and that hostage and never bought a battery backup for the server and yada yada, but you are wrong. Wonderful conspiracy theories there, you were made for each other. Sorry you hated Daxum so much, but he left the project long ago.

RichardoX

08-03-2009, 11:51 PM

Bon Voyage VTZ. May you rest in peace.

BoL does seem promising. We'll see. :)

Naes

08-04-2009, 12:07 AM

BoL needs to hurry up and get off the ground then. Got a crew of players frothing at the mouth for some PvP action.

sasaluge

08-04-2009, 09:41 AM

go outside and get some sun til bane of life comes out then

KingMort

08-04-2009, 09:54 AM

You guys can come PVP on Raid Addicts but be ready to get your asses handed to you if you do :)

Though most of the server is PVE , there are several PVP zones, and also a Priest of Discord so everyone can be PVP all the time if they want to be..

Casters pretty much rule the domain but I have seen several melee do exceptionally well.. Depends on your skill and your gear with this server.. If your under 100,000 hp well your a n00b...

See you guys soon

www.raidaddicts.org

SatrekVZ

08-04-2009, 11:11 AM

thats bs i knew u kids would ruined vtz for us folks. how hard is it to play eq with out cheating. at kurnak not the less. prolly was heresy hacking again just like they did b4. Since u dont seen tyen on server anymore. glad i stoped playing right b4 this big wipe and didnt get a big disappointed again!

barista1987

08-04-2009, 12:04 PM

KingMort

08-04-2009, 12:42 PM

Your Welcome, Just offering a place to go for those that want some hard core action... Appreciate your comment

image

08-04-2009, 02:41 PM

You know its unfortunate that emulator servers (especially pvp) have to go through the great extent of stopping cheaters/'hackers' even to the point of these people externally gaining access by other means (either getting into the box its running on or gaining access through this site).

My concern is that it is usually the same people on those pvp servers causing the same problems.. Pretty sad.. Seems this is more of a problem in the emu since we don't have any particular information (like official games have CC's tied to the accounts) we can reference to ban someone beyond an IP, but really what does that stop..

On a side note though should be very impressed with the success your project (by project I mean the work they did on the server) brought. Best of luck.

Slaede

08-04-2009, 02:51 PM

RichardoX

08-04-2009, 02:58 PM

as much as gronkus was an immature guy, richardo you're making yourself once again look like an even bigger *removed* by trying to pit our players against each other and against the gms etc, especially after the server's already been nuked. We can fight with each other all we want without your help, gaylord perry

huh?......

I don't think that was my intention but ok. I was letting people know what was going on. I'm friendly with Gronkus and I sincerely have nothing against the VTZ staff. Ofcourse, I had some issues with Daxum in the day but I'm way over that. :)

unknownhost

08-04-2009, 04:22 PM

sad to see the server go. i havent played there in awhile but what i did play through i greatly enjoyed. still can say i never had anyone cheat against me but i never played much beyond the lowbie game ether ;)

the scary thing is...what server do the worst of the playerbase go to now...it may even be...YOURS!!
{sorry, just started to sound like a cheap horror movie in my head heh}

Richardo,
thanks for sharing this info, i did occasionaly think about going back, is good to at least know they why/whens/hows about my piddly characters fate. ;)

trevius

08-04-2009, 05:00 PM

Discussion on this subject is fine (and actually kinda interesting), but anymore drama or name calling in this thread will result in at least a week long ban. We don't need the drama to be brought here. Just a friendly warning/reminder. I know this issue has got to have many people fuming, but that still isn't an excuse to break the rules here.

RichardoX

08-04-2009, 05:08 PM

Richardo,
thanks for sharing this info, i did occasionaly think about going back, is good to at least know they why/whens/hows about my piddly characters fate. ;)

Well, you could know what actually happened or have false hope of a server coming back. Glad to help...

Sad to see VTZ go. :/

Warell001

08-05-2009, 03:57 AM

Well thats just FANTASTIC... The F***ing hacking cheaters ruined this.
I hope there is another pvp up soon.

Sensei Durell Deathstrike
Pandemonium

3z3ki3l

08-05-2009, 07:22 AM

Bane of Life has already fixed most (if not all) of the things VZTZ has failed to and has a stable financial (and emotional) backing. Greener pastures imo.

sasaluge

08-05-2009, 09:58 AM

pvp in emu is impossible, GM favoritism runs rampant on every single emu server with pvp, the hackers donate to server and then server ops let the hakcers do whatever they please... happened on guildwars, lucid vision, vztz and all the other pvp emu servers that have been going on. GM favoritism destroyed vztz, they could of stopped the hackers and exploiters if they wanted to

Elysius

08-05-2009, 10:55 AM

Bane of Life has already fixed most (if not all) of the things VZTZ has failed to and has a stable financial (and emotional) backing. Greener pastures imo.

Bane of Life looks sweet and all, but it's not even released yet. wait a few months after release before making comparisons to vz/tz.

nmts

08-05-2009, 01:13 PM

Bane of Life isn't classic so it fails.

HurtinuDaily

08-05-2009, 02:46 PM

I am sorry to see VTZ go I was a casual player there and I am going to miss playing there. In my opinion management there was great, they worked hard for us to have a free server. There was a few hackers who ruined it for everyone... good job. As for Bane of Nife being better then VTZ we will see, it is easy to hack pretty much anything, I am not sure how complex the client manager is but I am sure it would be pretty easy to duplicate the packets it sends back and forth to the server with another app basically completely negating the software. I hope this is not the case but hackers are a pretty resilient bunch. We will see.

KingMort

08-05-2009, 03:44 PM

I have offered to Host it for the staff if they do not accept and this server is REALLY down , I would like to invite the former staff of VZ/TZ to consider working for me on Raid Addicts... As you may have known we have been optionally PVP for quite some time, The trend right now is PVE, but there is no reason (other than some spell adjustments in the PVP world) why the server could not be PVP.. It's always of course up to the player but the Priest of Discord is available, We also have several PVP zones and even an RVR type zone (race wars)

I would like to see the server return but in case it doesn't you guys could find a home on Raid Addicts... THE OLDEST of the Eqemu servers..

King
www.raidaddicts.org

HurtinuDaily

08-05-2009, 04:11 PM

It is not just the pvp aspect it is the fact that the database the staff at VTZ customized kicked ass. The staff really did a good job balancing pvp and making it as close to origional as possible.

KingMort

08-05-2009, 05:57 PM

Yeah I'm sure they do have a nice thing going but for a server that has been around maybe 1 year ? How much could they possibly have... Raid Addicts has been around 7 years... It's like the difference between walking and running...

Again the community is more important than my opinion, I'm of course biased..

If they want to come back , I'll pay for their hosting.. So some one should let them know that..

I don't require any Access, I don't require any GM status, I don't require anything other than they pay me back..

King

Kilralpine

08-05-2009, 06:15 PM

I think the only place you will find balance is on a classic server with classic items.... No one on emu has the staff or the capacities to test 1000s of items for balance on such a large scale as the real thing. Even on eqlive they did a half-a$$ed job of balancing the game PVP wise... Mort nothing against your server but using custom spells and the thousands of hand crafted items that are currently present on your server wont suit PVP. Maybe you should consider running a secondary server like PVPaddicts or something =P. Dont run the chance of ruinning your 7yr server into the ground... <3

3z3ki3l

08-05-2009, 07:05 PM

Bane of Life looks sweet and all, but it's not even released yet. wait a few months after release before making comparisons to vz/tz.

What I've seen in BoL alpha alone is millions of years ahead of what VZTZ was at it's peak of development.

It's not pure classic, but mostly classic. I had a pretty "classic or go home" mentality until getting into it with Yeorwned (BoL dev) a few times. Everything that's "custom" on BoL is necessary for one reason or another. I haven't been this excited about a game... let alone an emu... since the Vanguard flop.

Yeormom

08-05-2009, 07:36 PM

I'm using classic mobs and zones but I'm not trying to recreate classic EverQuest exactly as it was since a true classic server is too bland. Fine steel at level 40 anyone?

There will be plenty more of those servers coming and going as usual so for you die hard classic fans, hold out a little longer and I'm sure someone will launch a server to fit your needs soon. There is no server for everyone!

Elysius

08-05-2009, 08:06 PM

What I've seen in BoL alpha alone is millions of years ahead of what VZTZ was at it's peak of development.

The server isn't live yet. There's a huge difference between alpha and live as far as how well anti-cheat programs work and how fairly the GMs manage things.

You can't compare BoL to VZ/TZ yet.

KingMort

08-05-2009, 08:42 PM

No one on emu has the staff or the capacities to test 1000s of items for balance on such a large scale as the real thing. Even on eqlive they did a half-a$$ed job of balancing the game PVP wise... Mort nothing against your server but using custom spells and the thousands of hand crafted items that are currently present on your server wont suit PVP. Maybe you should consider running a secondary server like PVPaddicts or something =P. Dont run the chance of ruinning your 7yr server into the ground... <3

No offense taken but my server has more than 5500 custom items and years and years of work making ALL 16 CLASSES totally balanced...

My idea to make the server PVP popular is to fix it so that these custom spells are scaled down in PVP situations only... That way it's balanced in PVP as well 100% ..

I have seen many players PVP and like I said we used to have tournaments.. I know it's balanced to a point but I need some skilled coders to help me scale things down in PVP situations only..

And it won't run it into the ground because my server has always been Optional PVP well not always but for a year or 2 now anyway... So nothing would change at all if you were a PVE player you would notice no difference... It's totally optional... Now maybe once some PVP players started in there and made it popular they would switch too ...

RichardoX

08-05-2009, 09:06 PM

Or you can join my project! Dominatus [RVR] - One of the first realm versus realm servers....

just saying.. :)

KingMort

08-05-2009, 10:13 PM

No Richardo your coming to help us out too or I will kill your dog

And if you don't have a dog

I will buy you a dog... And then kill your dog

RichardoX

08-05-2009, 11:04 PM

:) How about we delete KMRA and make a new server called Super Fun Happy PVP.

We'd be corrupt GM's but at least we're honest about it.

KingMort

08-05-2009, 11:36 PM

hehe :) you wish!

FonzoRelli

08-06-2009, 05:30 AM

Mort, i responded in your other thread, i apologize for the delay as things have been quite hectic at vztz.

right now we are fixing/upgrading some internal stuff, we will be changing hosts, adding some very knowledge (and with the available time) dev people to the staff, etc etc. i'm sure everything must appear horribly confusing and retarded atm, and i apologize for that.

rest assured that VZTZ will be back and when it does, the hosting will be secure, and all the bull shit with dupes and MQ use will be nipped in the butt first and foremost.

as far as BoL goes, im not going to get into petty arguments, i wish you guys luck, but until you are up and running for 30 days, i wont even begin to consider thinking about comparing the two servers. its not very classy to try and build your server on breaking down ours, but to each his own i guess. since i can't play on VZTZ, i actually do look forward to trying out your server and wish you the best.