PEQ is down again ??

[MisifuWiki]

What happend with PEQ server ?? later the reset dont get up. Someone knows about this ??

[badplayer]

Before the reset happened, it kept saying something like "world server disconnect" when you tried to send tells to people and server was really laggy and you crashed when you zoned. Server reset at it's normal time then came back up then went down about 10-20 minutes later.

[Ellyeni]

Seems PEQ has crashed again today ..... :(

It was buggy prior to reset - pets running off in weird directions and bringing nasty friends back to vist the group....

and has not been back up since. :((

The web site is also down.

[Crion]

Site is still down, no luck with the server.

WTB a fix.

[Atlis]

Seems it is still down. I'm guessing the PEQ support hasn't been awake long to identify and fix the problem.

[cavedude]

We have a message in to FNW, and he'll probably request another reboot.

I'm not going to be around until Tuesday, so please don't worry when I stop replying :P My hope is we're back up well before then.

[Maladien]

Maybe this will inspire more donations so that cavedude can setup the new hardware and have complete remote management control over the servers.

I sure hope the reboot brings it back online.

[Fatboy5706]

Before the reset happened, it kept saying something like "world server disconnect" when you tried to send tells to people and server was really laggy and you crashed when you zoned. Server reset at it's normal time then came back up then went down about 10-20 minutes later.

not ballin.

We have a message in to FNW, and he'll probably request another reboot.

I'm not going to be around until Tuesday, so please don't worry when I stop replying :P My hope is we're back up well before then.

semi ballin.


Earn baller status with server! *Victory Fanfare*

[bubber]

{cue Twilight Zone music}
Perhaps these downtimes are intentional as a means to help drive... donations.

[VoodooChild]

I'm curious - how does this work? The server belongs to a hosting company? And they can't respond to the issue?


Thanks

[Ikeren]

Read this thread: http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31782

[r8n8]

The quick version is this:

Cavedude lives in NJ
The server is in CO
Cavedude runs all the software
The guy who owns the hardware is the only person with access to it

So when the hardware needs some loving, Cavedude has to get in touch with him, then the guy has to get a hold of the hosting company, etc, etc, etc.

That thread posted above also lists what Cavedude wants to do with purchasing a new server etc. (they need donations to do this though).

[VoodooChild]

Good info, thanks Ikeren and r8n8

[r8n8]

I've watched this a lot, usually when some server I'm trying to connect to is down...

The Website (Server PEQ) is Down

** BEWARE LANGUAGE **

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRxASytPuQ

[MotorX007]

LMAO that is good

[war_master11]

not again.........

[Fatboy5706]

not again.........

post of the day award goes to war_master11!

quote of the day award goes to me!

[badplayer]

Don't think I've ever seen a windows box with the problem of "the server didn't reboot correctly" but we seem to have that problem on this server and in that joke video running apache you posted o_O

[vales]

http://a.imageshack.us/img411/5783/nopeq.jpg

[below9k]

hahahahaha

[Fatboy5706]

well, I worked hard on some macros, pretty ballin if you ask me...

anyone work hard on anything else?

[r8n8]

work hard on anything?

I hardly worked on anything, does that count?

Seriously though, I spent the day combing through the MQ2 Wiki and taking notes. I don't think I ever put this much effort into my schooling...

Maybe I'll spend the night writing a macro for a male gnome and have him hang around the MB spewing cheesy pickup lines at any female characters who dare venture too close to him. And if they don't, have him hold a conversation with his imaginary friend, Horatio, about who would win in a fight, the Priest of Discord or Phin Esrinap. Then, if nobody comes near him, have him pace in a square declaring all the space within as his "personal space" and that any invaders will be smitten with the wrath of Rikki Tikki the Holy Gerbil and guardian of the Windmills.

Or I'll just go to bed.

[Fatboy5706]

lol i heard you wouldnt =P

[r8n8]

Cavedude's call to FNW leaked, problems exposed... well not really.

** Warning: LANGUAGE **
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SNxaJlicEU

[badplayer]

Any of these 500 weird asian mmorpgs worth playing while server is down?


2d ones

http://www.onrpg.com/boards/145640.html


2d + 3d

http://www.elitepvpers.de/forum/other-games/98013-mmorpg-liste.html

[Fatboy5706]

no clue lol

[bubber]

If you've got a Titanium client you could try EZ server. That's where I'll be for the downtime. Or you could try any one of the other emu servers.

[MNWatchdog]

Don't think I've ever seen a windows box with the problem of "the server didn't reboot correctly" but we seem to have that problem on this server and in that joke video running apache you posted o_O
Might be because no Windows server could take a 350 toon load and PEQ is the test bed server for both the DB and Emu code, thus the reason it reboots nightly to load new versions of both.

[Mghargh]

I'm trying the EZ server & it lives up to its name, REAL easy. Sort of like having a GF with a twin sister who is eager to have everything her sis has without letting her know. Made from baby Rogue lvl 1 to lvl 36 in 6 hrs play with Real high combat & sneak/hide skills. Might be good to run around learning where most things are.

[badplayer]

Might be because no Windows server could take a 350 toon load and PEQ

This statement is false. There have been windows based eqemu servers with over 300 players online before. It was running two quad core 1.8ghz cpu's. The cpu load on the server was next to nothing and could hold tons more players. Every time I research some outrageous linux claim, it always turns out to be false. Like how people used to say it's better for laptops then people actually measure winblows vs linux distro power consumption and windows won rofl.

[Akkadius]

This statement is false. There have been windows based eqemu servers with over 300 players online before. It was running two quad core 1.8ghz cpu's. The cpu load on the server was next to nothing and could hold tons more players.

EZ Server is Windows based.

[r8n8]

All I know is that SoA used to be windows based, and we would crash the server AE pulling. When they switched it to Linux, that pretty much stopped.

[Crion]

Day 2 of yet another epic peq phailure.

/scratches

I need mah crack!

&& in case you havn't noticed, each time the server goes down we are losing more players to other servers, like the EZ server(!!!?) and worse yet, p1999 :shock: .. Sadly I can even name a few people that are gone for good..

I understand to you this may be an important time to ask for donates, but you said yourself the current set up is already more than enough for now.
Why so much downtime and so frequent? There are other servers out there with far less equipment and bandwidth and yet they have longer up times, some only reset once a week, if that, and with roughly the same player load.

I'm not knocking the need for new server upgrades by any means, I'm just wondering how or why PEQ seems to have poor reliability with its current set up, or rather if the problem is the ISP/Host, why continue to subscribe to their services if they are so incompetent. :oops:

[Jaqua]

It seems to me that your answer lies in the front pages of this thread. However let me clarify.. First of PEQ is free to play.. secondly Cavedude is footin the bill.. if you are concerned with the players leaving and the sky falling down then by all means donate otherwise buck up lil camper..

[badplayer]

It's outta cavedude's hands anyway, our only hope is that this FNW guy isn't passed out in a ditch with a bottle of jack daniels.

[sorvani]

Day 2 of yet another epic peq phailure.

Why so much downtime and so frequent?
You do know that prior to these outages, the server itself had an uptime of 480+ days? Get a bit of perspective.

[Fatboy5706]

You do know that prior to these outages, the server itself had an uptime of 480+ days? Get a bit of perspective.

you must be smoking some good shit or have a time traveling watch or something... the server went DOWN for 4 or 5 days like 2-3 weeks ago....... so, unless a year has went by and i dont know about it, the server was only up for at most 21 days.

well i see what youre saying now, but still, 480 days is a whole lot better than a 4/21 ratio.

[Mghargh]

you must be smoking some good shit or have a time traveling watch or something... the server went DOWN for 4 or 5 days like 2-3 weeks ago....... so, unless a year has went by and i dont know about it, the server was only up for at most 21 days.

well i see what youre saying now, but still, 480 days is a whole lot better than a 4/21 ratio.

He is talking about PRIOR to the last outage, this present one as well as the last one is included in his "these outages" statement.

[bademan1971]

For all the people who might be leaving, we are certainly picking up new people. I saw quite a few evenings recently where the population was stable at 300+ people and one day two weeks when Fandaane was leading an MGB-fest, there were 352 people on as I was loading an alt in.

[Fatboy5706]

well i see what youre saying now, but still, 480 days is a whole lot better than a 4/21 ratio.

thank you for clarifying something i have already clarified myself.

[Fatboy5706]

For all the people who might be leaving, we are certainly picking up new people. I saw quite a few evenings recently where the population was stable at 300+ people and one day two weeks when Fandaane was leading an MGB-fest, there were 352 people on as I was loading an alt in.

tbh, i dont think the server counts single IPs, i think that count to the right is active characters, which means, people who run 6, but are just 1 human being, still counts as 6 on the server, so, just because that number is big doesnt mean that there really are that many "people" on the server. Likewise, if you lose someone, you might be losing 6+.

[MNWatchdog]

Quick summary:
PEQ is Free.
PEQ is test bed for new Emu server code thus daily reboots and sometimes the server doesn't come up correctly.
PEQ is test bed for new quests/scripts thus daily reboots. All NPCs scripts get reloaded on reboots.
PEQ server is WAY beyond Cavedudes direct control by about 2000 miles. New Jersey to Colorado I believe.
PEQ is being hosted for free and sometimes you get what you pay for, but over all, it's been a sweet deal. If someone wants to cough up $100-$150/mo to pay for hosting, send me the money(1 year in advance please) I'll set up hosting here.
PEQs hardware is maintained by FNW who has a life and a real job which often means he has no way to get to the hardware immediately.
PEQ is FREE.

Did I leave anything out?

[Fatboy5706]

um i think you left out that the server is still down. Here it is so you can just edit your post and add it to your list.

PEQ is still down.

copy paste FTW!

[Ikeren]

@Crion: Also, you may be surprised, but PEQ has no incentive to keep you there. They're not making money of your, or anyone elses, presence. The server could have only 20 people playing 3-4 characters each, and it would plug on, developing content and testing it. So while you may be concerned about people leaving (why? Do you have trouble finding groups?), I'm not, and TGC isn't going to cease to be if for some reason the EZ server ends up with a higher population.

[r8n8]

1. If people don't like the downtime and want there to be less downtime and still want to play on the server, they should donate.

2. Coming here and complaining / making a big deal about the downtime isn't productive. Donating would be infinitely more productive.

3. Without downtime people wouldn't get to discover totally awesome stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGYh8AacgY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCSXr6qnv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCCkfjPm0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Nz8p3EP7A

And:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzKtPezPsqE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

[gaeorn]

Day 2 of yet another epic peq phailure.

/scratches

I need mah crack!

&& in case you havn't noticed, each time the server goes down we are losing more players to other servers, like the EZ server(!!!?) and worse yet, p1999 :shock: .. Sadly I can even name a few people that are gone for good..

I understand to you this may be an important time to ask for donates, but you said yourself the current set up is already more than enough for now.
Why so much downtime and so frequent? There are other servers out there with far less equipment and bandwidth and yet they have longer up times, some only reset once a week, if that, and with roughly the same player load.

I'm not knocking the need for new server upgrades by any means, I'm just wondering how or why PEQ seems to have poor reliability with its current set up, or rather if the problem is the ISP/Host, why continue to subscribe to their services if they are so incompetent. :oops:

The hosting is being provided for free by the hosting company that FNW used to work for. He no longer works there and his new job requires him to travel frequently so cavedude is not always able to contact him immediately when there is a need.

In this case, cavedude did contact FNW and FNW put in a reboot request with the hosting company. But since they are providing the service for free, clearly this is not going to be a priority for them.

The current machine is adequate for our needs. However, it does not have much available headroom so if there is a bug in the server code that causes heavier load than normal, we will experience problems. Even more than that, with the current set up, we do not have remote management capabilities so we are completely at the mercy of FNW and the hosting company when we do have problems that cause the server to be unreachable.

To resolve all of the above problems, we would like to purchase two new systems that will exceed our needs by a wide enough margin we should not see performance problems from a player perspective even if there are issues with the server code. These systems will include full remote management capabilities allowing us to deal with nearly all problems remotely. And the fact that there will be two will allow us to have a failover in the event of one system failing completely. This should all add up to no downtime or miniscule downtime.

Some people ask about upgrading the existing system to accommodate these features. The problem with that is how long do you think it would take them to upgrade our system when it takes them days to simply reboot it? And that is assuming they would even be willing to do the upgrade for us, which they may very well not be willing to do.

Next we get asked about moving the hosting to a different location. Again it comes down to how long it would take the hosting guys to pack up and ship the system, which isn't very likely to happen in a timely manner either. And again, that assumes they are even willing to do so. They might require it to be picked up, which would require FNW to do so, which he may not have the time for.

So the solution is new servers with remote management at a hosting location that multiple people can contact. The remote management will be available to KLS, cavedude and myself. The hosting location could be called directly by the same 3 people. If physical access is required, it is a 25 minute drive for me. But it is not very likely physical access will be needed with the remote management capabilities.

But all of this costs money. We are doing what we can with the resources we have. We will improve things as we have the resources to do so. Until then, be patient and donate if you are so inclined.

[r8n8]

You're too nice. I was gonna go out into the woods and make a club to beat donations out of people.

[Fatboy5706]

how much money do we have for new servers?

[DeathSymbolic]

Whether it is free or not it sort of defeats the purpose of even having a server in the first place if it is going to go down for 5 days at a time very often.

[DeathSymbolic]

And you can count me as a player that PEQ just lost to p1999

[KLS]

I'd say very often is a bit of an exaggeration.

Hopefully I can get in touch with fnw soon. Cavedude is out till tuesday and fnw still is out on a trip of some sort.

Also I think Rogean was interested in offering something temporary till we could get where we wanted to go but Cavedude has been too busy to really talk to him about it.

[Fatboy5706]

And you can count me as a player that PEQ just lost to p1999

lol its ok, have fun getting trained and being on a lame server.


I'd say very often is a bit of an exaggeration.

Hopefully I can get in touch with fnw soon. Cavedude is out till tuesday and fnw still is out on a trip of some sort.

Also I think Rogean was interested in offering something temporary till we could get where we wanted to go but Cavedude has been too busy to really talk to him about it.

and i always wonder why someone like gaeorn or even you KLS cant send in for a manual reboot. If everyone is out playing in the world and cant fix the faucet, then its going to keep dripping. But if you designate a plumber, it might get fixed.

[KLS]

Please don't lower yourself to his level.

If someone else wants to go play on another server that's their choice, but with an attitude like that I can't say I'll really miss him. Also it's not like p1999 hasn't had week long down times in the past either =p

[Fatboy5706]

Please don't lower yourself to his level.

If someone else wants to go play on another server that's their choice, but with an attitude like that I can't say I'll really miss him. Also it's not like p1999 hasn't had week long down times in the past either =p

lol he'll come crawling back.

[sorvani]

will be interesting to see what happens when they release Kunark.

[Quellren]

I'm trying the EZ server & it lives up to its name, REAL easy. ..... Might be good to run around learning where most things are.

This is what I do.
I rolled a mage and made it to 60 in one afternoon. 75 the next day. with the pet DW'ing the free-from-vendor Fiery Defender and Ragebringer, I can easily solo most of the PEQ content. With insta ports to any zone, and no death penalty (inc. no CR) I scout out the dungeons and mobs that I wanna killl on PEQ to get a feel for them.

[r8n8]

My biggest concern about PEQ is that since this is the second time the server has gone down in the last month there may be some code currently on the server that is giving it problems. Which is going to cause this up/down cycle of calling FNW and waiting days between playing... until the code is fixed.

Just thinking out loud here...

[MNWatchdog]

will be interesting to see what happens when they release Kunark.I know I'm not wasting my time until Kunark is out. How people can waddle around in only original EQ is beyond me...BORING!

[sorvani]

I know I'm not wasting my time until Kunark is out. How people can waddle around in only original EQ is beyond me...BORING!

Yeah, I'm a noob, I didn't start EQ Live until Luclin came out. I got burned on UO when it was released by some asshats corpse camping, and said F-it to online pay to play. But a friend got me to give EQ a try when Luclin came out and we all know how that crack habit went.

I wandered in to P1999 for a bit to see how old world worked. No thanks, I prefer to PLAY during my online time. Not sit and med for more than half the time. I don't have the RL time to spend doing that like I did in 2001. If they were going to take the server past Velious, I might go back during the Velious and level up to be ready for Luclin, but stopping at Velious is a no thanks for me also.

Final straw, no boxing. I understand if they don't want unlimited connections allowing one person to have an army. But after the first 6 months on live, I bought a second copy of the game and ever since ran 2 boxes. That was how I enjoyed the game. I do not enjoy sitting bored with one toon for the majority of each hour.

Everyone likes different things. just my take on it.

[Mghargh]

For those out there griping about the server & hesitating about donating.

I've not had a full-time job in nearly 2 years after working for the same company for 14 years after they got bought out & new owners decided to move plant across country. Doing part time work where I can get it & living off my savings. I had only been playing here for about a month & enjoyed myself so much I decided to donate. I dug into what i had set aside for a little fun & sent CD $200.00, I'm not saying for everybody to do that{it would help though}, I'm just saying send a little IF you are enjoying yourself. If you're NOT enjoying yourself then why are you here? If there are 300 players here & they could average $10 each it would be DONE.

Anybody unhappy with my statement, type it out double-spaced in large type, fold it until it is all sharp corners, & I think you know the rest.

[r8n8]

Original EQ doesn't really flesh out until the mid/late 30s, until then it is hideously boring. The only thing expansions did was ease the 1-30 part into something more bearable because you could twink.

Of course, there's also LGuk and Dragon raids which many people missed out on.

It's not really EQ if you haven't been through all of LGuk :-D

[Quellren]

Though it's been said eleventy billion times, it bears repeating. The glory of EQ, specifically EQ pre-PoP, is that it was vastly different than anything else. We loved it simply because we didn't know any different.
I spun up EQemu intending to revel in my P99 glory days and realized very quickly I was spoiled by newer MMO's. I hate WoW for all that the community is, and has made it. It's childish and petty. It's greedy and elitist. But it flat destroys EQ classic, and frankly all of EQ that isn't LDoN sheerly by instancing. Guk was certainly a vivid memory,a fond one too. But everyone remembers the epic Frenzy group they had, not the 3 hours waiting, killing light blue/green entrance mobs whittling down the list of 6 tanks that arrived before you. You aren't leaving unless your guildie/best friend has a reserved spot for you DEEP in SolB, cuz at 48+, guk is the only game in town. This doesn't change until the world is SO HUGE that there are simply too many dungeons to camp. And then the population teeters on the brink of what PEQ is. Unless you have a pre-formed group formed in a city, multibox, or badly outlevel the content and can solo it, it's empty.
Because of this, I now LOATHE camping. Hell, I don't even like re-running the same instance twice in a row.
EDIT: This is why I 2 (or more) box. usually a mage and a shaman. I can count on one hand the number of parties I've been in including when it was for the random grp buff.
I feel like PEQ is essentially Diablo 2 all over again. Everyone knows, you get to act V and then join an 8 player game, but dont group and farm an act for good exp and drops. Socialization without the interaction of grouping.

[Rogean]

Been trying to get cavedude to talk to me to discuss a better solution, even if its temporary (It could be permanent) and he hasn't gotten back to me.

I hate seeing PEQ Down. P1999's stability and the servers and network it runs on are proven now that we moved since the last ddos attacks and thwarted them, I see no reason we can't share it.

[badplayer]

Someone post FNW's number on 4chan so we can get this thing up.

[gibroni]

I have been playing on peq server for over a month now and am having a blast. I will be making a donation for sure. Is there any information on how much more is needed to get the ball rolling on the new setup?

[Ikeren]

There was mention of it in the last thread; IIRC we were halfway at the goal, and the goal was posted?

[Wanonweb]

Gaeorn said it was $4500, according to this post (http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showpost.php?p=190475&postcount=83)

[gaeorn]

There was mention of it in the last thread; IIRC we were halfway at the goal, and the goal was posted?

Last I knew, we were nowhere near halfway to the goal. However, recent donations may have changed that if you include the $1,000 I plan to put into this. Unfortunately, cavedude is unavailable until Tuesday and he is the only one who knows the exact donation total.

[Fatboy5706]

For those out there griping about the server & hesitating about donating.

I've not had a full-time job in nearly 2 years after working for the same company for 14 years after they got bought out & new owners decided to move plant across country. Doing part time work where I can get it & living off my savings. I had only been playing here for about a month & enjoyed myself so much I decided to donate. I dug into what i had set aside for a little fun & sent CD $200.00, I'm not saying for everybody to do that{it would help though}, I'm just saying send a little IF you are enjoying yourself. If you're NOT enjoying yourself then why are you here? If there are 300 players here & they could average $10 each it would be DONE.

Anybody unhappy with my statement, type it out double-spaced in large type, fold it until it is all sharp corners, & I think you know the rest.

see, theres another thread where everyone has already stressed things about the server being down... i think now most of us are just stirring up shit because its fun, and the only thing to do right now.

[gaeorn]

Fatboy5706, please remove the disgusting image from your signature. This is not the place for it.

[Jaqua]

im sure we will all be up and running again in the next few days but its good to see alot of people concerned. its good for our community within a server. project eq has been an escape for me as my financial troubles wane as of today I will be earning 17 dollars an hour (in florida thats alot of money) And as long as I feel that the money would be put to the use intended I will make periodic donations.. I feed a family of 5 so its nothing extravagant 20 bucks here and there you know? PeQ has a strong community for how small we are and to be honest we need to actually get more people involved because although I do like classic eq ie: 1999 With the expansions it is easier to get into the game and solo if you like.. hell my ranger fealdwyn has been campin crystaline shardwurms for the last week so that I could finally purchase the nightmarewood compound bow. Started my epic got all my foraged parts ect. I loved the original eq over eq2 but after sony destroyed SWG i swore i would never play another sony mmo and I havent broken that oath..

all in all folks this will happen alot unless we as a community say "ok this is a cool place to hang out.. whats 20 bucks here and there.." it adds up then one day we will be kicked offline and a few days later we wont have to ever worry about this again. Cavedude is awesome.. period

i know im bouncin off walls and im happy horse-shit sad my server is down but its ok...

this too shall pass

[Fatboy5706]

Fatboy5706, please remove the disgusting image from your signature. This is not the place for it.

its not like we all havnt seen that episode, and strive to be the gamer cartman is.

[badplayer]

He's from Kentucky, they crap on the floor there.

[Fatboy5706]

and youre from the doghouse... gratz

[Fatboy5706]

actually you are prolly from somewhere worse than kentucky, like texas.

[below9k]

Whats so bad about Texas? we are doing much better than any other state at this time. Colorado second

[Fatboy5706]

Whats so bad about Texas? we are doing much better than any other state at this time. Colorado second

you gave us george bush

[badplayer]

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[Crion]

The hosting is being provided for free by the hosting company that FNW used to work for. He no longer works there and his new job requires him to travel frequently so cavedude is not always able to contact him immediately when there is a need.

In this case, cavedude did contact FNW and FNW put in a reboot request with the hosting company. But since they are providing the service for free, clearly this is not going to be a priority for them.

The current machine is adequate for our needs. However, it does not have much available headroom so if there is a bug in the server code that causes heavier load than normal, we will experience problems. Even more than that, with the current set up, we do not have remote management capabilities so we are completely at the mercy of FNW and the hosting company when we do have problems that cause the server to be unreachable.

To resolve all of the above problems, we would like to purchase two new systems that will exceed our needs by a wide enough margin we should not see performance problems from a player perspective even if there are issues with the server code. These systems will include full remote management capabilities allowing us to deal with nearly all problems remotely. And the fact that there will be two will allow us to have a failover in the event of one system failing completely. This should all add up to no downtime or miniscule downtime.

Some people ask about upgrading the existing system to accommodate these features. The problem with that is how long do you think it would take them to upgrade our system when it takes them days to simply reboot it? And that is assuming they would even be willing to do the upgrade for us, which they may very well not be willing to do.

Next we get asked about moving the hosting to a different location. Again it comes down to how long it would take the hosting guys to pack up and ship the system, which isn't very likely to happen in a timely manner either. And again, that assumes they are even willing to do so. They might require it to be picked up, which would require FNW to do so, which he may not have the time for.

So the solution is new servers with remote management at a hosting location that multiple people can contact. The remote management will be available to KLS, cavedude and myself. The hosting location could be called directly by the same 3 people. If physical access is required, it is a 25 minute drive for me. But it is not very likely physical access will be needed with the remote management capabilities.

But all of this costs money. We are doing what we can with the resources we have. We will improve things as we have the resources to do so. Until then, be patient and donate if you are so inclined.

Thank you for your extremly detailed post, I have a much clearer understanding now.

To others that read my post, sorry you couldn't read it correctly and felt more of a need to flame than answer it. I by NO means meant for people to second guess donating, I just wanted clarity. Thanks again, you'll be getting my donate after my 2300 mile trek. ;) -See you in game.

[robinreg]

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There was mention of it in the last thread; IIRC we were halfway at the goal, and the goal was posted?
Last I knew, we were nowhere near halfway to the goal. However, recent donations may have changed that if you include the $1,000 I plan to put into this. Unfortunately, cavedude is unavailable until Tuesday and he is the only one who knows the exact donation total.
Yesterday 05:01 PM

it would be nice to have a donation tracker such as http://www.devfuse.com/products/53-donation-tracker/ I think that will help us try to achieve our goal rather than taking a guess.

[gaeorn]

it would be nice to have a donation tracker such as http://www.devfuse.com/products/53-donation-tracker/ I think that will help us try to achieve our goal rather than taking a guess.

CD wanted to set one up but had permission issues on the existing PEQ server. Since FNW is difficult to reach outside of an emergency, the permission issues were not resolved. Also, CD has been very busy lately so would not be able to update it every day anyway. And for quite some time, there was such a small amount donated that it was hardly worth having the tracker.

[Vanicae]

A possible solution would be a sticky thread where he could keep us updated on the donation total, whenever he has time. Even if he could only update it once a week, we would still have a better idea of where the total stands. Just a thought.

[r8n8]

We should all get together and hold a bake sale to raise donations.

+10 points for my brilliance.

On a side note, it's the weekend, I'm guessing they won't get around to rebooting it till Monday, at the earliest :shock:

[renoturks]

It will be up when it comes up. Maybe it will get me up off my ass to get some coding done in the meantime.

[renoturks]

Also, this is clearly gaeorn's fault!

[wheeljack]

It will be up when it comes up. Maybe it will get me up off my ass to get some coding done in the meantime.

Heh, I know what you mean. I've submitted one code change so far this downtime and I did three last downtime.

[Jaqua]

What am I doing with downtime? I scored a job and made my gf happy. I mowed the lawn because it was starting to look like the amazon. I have gotten back to watching movies with the family because we all know evercrack addiction is hard to put down. What will I do when its up again? Play everyday lose my job my gf default on my mortgage LoL

Just kidding

[Fatboy5706]

lol ive actually took time to take a shower.

[JazzineCleric]

Well, my laptop cried when it found out PEQ was down again and quit. I have a paperweight for a computer. Damn addictions.

[war_master11]

it really blows that the server is not up for the entire weekend, guess i'll go back to starcraft2

FNW, for the sake of the whole peq community, why dont you allow others to access the server? seriously already, we appreciate that you are the "founder" of all this, but if you dont have the commitment to this project anymore, why dont you just give it up and let someone else handle it? the rule you have right now is just gonna kill this project if this same problem keeps happening. Look at recent peq population vs p1999 and you'll see TGC player base is going down hill.

[rup1033]

So far I have only donated 10$ towards the PEQ project but I'm poor and have no job at the moment, if I was working I'd totally drop 100 bucks without a thought if it would help make us not disconnect often.

Now the idea of getting a server could be done if every person who plays donates 10 to 100$ you could build a new machine. Perhaps have a thermometer or a donation counter on the server homepage to show how finances are at the time.

A new server PC of 4,000 dollars like I saw mentioned earlier I think is way too much overkill for a small project that is funded from donations and your own pocketbook. You can build a reasonably priced high end desktop PC with a quad core CPU and 8gig of ram and a good quality motherboard , 7200rpm enterprise grade disks with synced spindle speed in raid 1+0 (4 disks with one spare not in the computer so if one fails of a set you can RMA, and rebuild the array with the spare and keep server going), or a raid 5 solution if that's your preference. Don't go too skimpy on the raid card for sure.

IF you were to go with a desktop CPU like an Athlon II x4 3ghz without the shared L3 cache like Phenom or Opteron it would probably look something like
500$ for mainboard chip, and 8gig of corsair xms seris performance ram maybee 100$ for a kvm ip pci card or usb SecureLinx Spider kvm over ip then a raid card ~290$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=16-131-003&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo , A thermaltake TPG-750M 87% efficent gold certified 750W psu 180$.
A good place to get a enclosure for it would be http://www.servercase.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CK800B%28in+stock%29&Category_Code=AdvServer I purchased one of their entry level server cases, for what I believe was 89$ after shipping, solid steel with 8 drive bays 5.25" and one 3.5". Fits my 12x13 extended atx opteron board.
So around 1300-1400$ doing it that route without having purchased the hard disks.
For drives I don't know about the newer velociraptors. I hear the failure rate is pretty high, but my older original raptor disks have been running all day and night and getting beat on for a few years now and are doing well. Perhaps a cheaper 7200rpm disk set for the raid would be best, as long as they have synchronized spindle speed, avoid western digital RE disks I hear they have a horrible failure rate according to newegg reviews. If you really wanted I suppose you could step it up to Serial Attached SCSI the disks in that category are built like a tank generally which I'm sure you know. Their cost is quite a bit more.

That's just my 2cp worth, just making a few suggestions on a sub 2000$ machine. Maybe such a idea cant work out for you but I was bored and sat and wrote it. And I'm sure someone is bored and sat and read it and may have ideas of their own to post.

[Fatboy5706]

So far I have only donated 10$ towards the PEQ project but I'm poor and have no job at the moment, if I was working I'd totally drop 100 bucks without a thought if it would help make us not disconnect often.

Now the idea of getting a server could be done if every person who plays donates 10 to 100$ you could build a new machine. Perhaps have a thermometer or a donation counter on the server homepage to show how finances are at the time.

A new server PC of 4,000 dollars like I saw mentioned earlier I think is way too much overkill for a small project that is funded from donations and your own pocketbook. You can build a reasonably priced high end desktop PC with a quad core CPU and 8gig of ram and a good quality motherboard , 7200rpm enterprise grade disks with synced spindle speed in raid 1+0 (4 disks with one spare not in the computer so if one fails of a set you can RMA, and rebuild the array with the spare and keep server going), or a raid 5 solution if that's your preference. Don't go too skimpy on the raid card for sure.

IF you were to go with a desktop CPU like an Athlon II x4 3ghz without the shared L3 cache like Phenom or Opteron it would probably look something like
500$ for mainboard chip, and 8gig of corsair xms seris performance ram maybee 100$ for a kvm ip pci card or usb SecureLinx Spider kvm over ip then a raid card ~290$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=16-131-003&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo , A thermaltake TPG-750M 87% efficent gold certified 750W psu 180$.
A good place to get a enclosure for it would be http://www.servercase.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CK800B%28in+stock%29&Category_Code=AdvServer I purchased one of their entry level server cases, for what I believe was 89$ after shipping, solid steel with 8 drive bays 5.25" and one 3.5". Fits my 12x13 extended atx opteron board.
So around 1300-1400$ doing it that route without having purchased the hard disks.
For drives I don't know about the newer velociraptors. I hear the failure rate is pretty high, but my older original raptor disks have been running all day and night and getting beat on for a few years now and are doing well. Perhaps a cheaper 7200rpm disk set for the raid would be best, as long as they have synchronized spindle speed, avoid western digital RE disks I hear they have a horrible failure rate according to newegg reviews. If you really wanted I suppose you could step it up to Serial Attached SCSI the disks in that category are built like a tank generally which I'm sure you know. Their cost is quite a bit more.

That's just my 2cp worth, just making a few suggestions on a sub 2000$ machine. Maybe such a idea cant work out for you but I was bored and sat and wrote it. And I'm sure someone is bored and sat and read it and may have ideas of their own to post.

multiply by 2

[DeathSymbolic]

it really blows that the server is not up for the entire weekend, guess i'll go back to starcraft2

FNW, for the sake of the whole peq community, why dont you allow others to access the server? seriously already, we appreciate that you are the "founder" of all this, but if you dont have the commitment to this project anymore, why dont you just give it up and let someone else handle it? the rule you have right now is just gonna kill this project if this same problem keeps happening. Look at recent peq population vs p1999 and you'll see TGC player base is going down hill.

Agree. As I said before , whether it is free or not does not matter at this point. The purpose of having a free EQ Server is completely defeated when the server goes down for 5 days at a time. It would be one thing if it was a freak thing that just happened once or twice. But this has happened Like 5 or 6 times since the start on 2010 alone...for extended periods of time just like this one. What is the purpose of people donating , and for that matter , why should anyone donate even a penny to a shaky server run by some dude who clearly does not want to even be doing this anymore? The server is losing people every single day that this drags out longer. Get some stability going on PEQ before it dies for good.

[robinreg]

Agree. As I said before , whether it is free or not does not matter at this point. The purpose of having a free EQ Server is completely defeated when the server goes down for 5 days at a time. It would be one thing if it was a freak thing that just happened once or twice. But this has happened Like 5 or 6 times since the start on 2010 alone...for extended periods of time just like this one. What is the purpose of people donating , and for that matter , why should anyone donate even a penny to a shaky server run by some dude who clearly does not want to even be doing this anymore? The server is losing people every single day that this drags out longer. Get some stability going on PEQ before it dies for good.




I don't think it'll die out as long as eqemu is still developing. PEQ is the main and test database for EQEMU and most if not all are based off of PEQ.

[Mghargh]

it really blows that the server is not up for the entire weekend, guess i'll go back to starcraft2

FNW, for the sake of the whole peq community, why dont you allow others to access the server? seriously already, we appreciate that you are the "founder" of all this, but if you dont have the commitment to this project anymore, why dont you just give it up and let someone else handle it? the rule you have right now is just gonna kill this project if this same problem keeps happening. Look at recent peq population vs p1999 and you'll see TGC player base is going down hill.

PLEASE War Master, bother to read the other posts on this subject Before you comment. The present server belongs to the person who originally set it up. He is no longer active. He is out in Colorado while the people presently running it live on the east coast. Those running it now are Trying to come up with the funds for a New server that they Will have access to. The new setup will cost around $4k & are asking for donations as it is a bit much to come out of their own pockets to run what is essentially a free game server.

[renoturks]

... But this has happened Like 5 or 6 times since the start on 2010 alone...for extended periods of time just like this one. What is the purpose of people donating , and for that matter , why should anyone donate even a penny to a shaky server run by some dude who clearly does not want to even be doing this anymore?


The entire purpose behind the donations is to move away from this host.

Also, please provide proof of 5 or 6 times this year that the server has been down for 5+ days please. Exaggerating certainly doesn't help your argument. Coming here and sounding off saying that the server is down for a week every month or so certainly doesn't help the next thing you said....

The server is losing people every single day that this drags out longer. Get some stability going on PEQ before it dies for good.

PEQ won't die. I've been around long enough to know that, of all the servers on the Emu, PEQ is the least likely to die. For starters, it's a test server. It is just here to develop a database for all of the other servers to use. When I started on PEQ, we peaked at 30-40 characters. It has only grown since then. If a large population of players is the goal, then there is most certainly about 50 other ways to grow the server's population. As it stands, we don't feel the need to grow the population or we would implement some of these things.

[renoturks]

Been trying to get cavedude to talk to me to discuss a better solution, even if its temporary (It could be permanent) and he hasn't gotten back to me.

I hate seeing PEQ Down. P1999's stability and the servers and network it runs on are proven now that we moved since the last ddos attacks and thwarted them, I see no reason we can't share it.

As a permanent solution, wouldn't this be putting all of our eggs into one basket? If we lose the host, we lose two servers instead of one.

[pfyon]

As a permanent solution, wouldn't this be putting all of our eggs into one basket? If we lose the host, we lose two servers instead of one.

If they're using virtual machines, most likely it would only take out one VM and not the whole system. If the whole system went down, then there's a huge problem.

[gaeorn]

If they're using virtual machines, most likely it would only take out one VM and not the whole system. If the whole system went down, then there's a huge problem.

You are assuming the problem would be software related. What if the machine dies? What if it ends up under DDOS attack that exceeds it's ability to mitigate?

There are other "what if" situations as well.

[gaeorn]

So far I have only donated 10$ towards the PEQ project but I'm poor and have no job at the moment, if I was working I'd totally drop 100 bucks without a thought if it would help make us not disconnect often.

Now the idea of getting a server could be done if every person who plays donates 10 to 100$ you could build a new machine. Perhaps have a thermometer or a donation counter on the server homepage to show how finances are at the time.

A new server PC of 4,000 dollars like I saw mentioned earlier I think is way too much overkill for a small project that is funded from donations and your own pocketbook. You can build a reasonably priced high end desktop PC with a quad core CPU and 8gig of ram and a good quality motherboard , 7200rpm enterprise grade disks with synced spindle speed in raid 1+0 (4 disks with one spare not in the computer so if one fails of a set you can RMA, and rebuild the array with the spare and keep server going), or a raid 5 solution if that's your preference. Don't go too skimpy on the raid card for sure.

IF you were to go with a desktop CPU like an Athlon II x4 3ghz without the shared L3 cache like Phenom or Opteron it would probably look something like
500$ for mainboard chip, and 8gig of corsair xms seris performance ram maybee 100$ for a kvm ip pci card or usb SecureLinx Spider kvm over ip then a raid card ~290$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=16-131-003&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo , A thermaltake TPG-750M 87% efficent gold certified 750W psu 180$.
A good place to get a enclosure for it would be http://www.servercase.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CK800B%28in+stock%29&Category_Code=AdvServer I purchased one of their entry level server cases, for what I believe was 89$ after shipping, solid steel with 8 drive bays 5.25" and one 3.5". Fits my 12x13 extended atx opteron board.
So around 1300-1400$ doing it that route without having purchased the hard disks.
For drives I don't know about the newer velociraptors. I hear the failure rate is pretty high, but my older original raptor disks have been running all day and night and getting beat on for a few years now and are doing well. Perhaps a cheaper 7200rpm disk set for the raid would be best, as long as they have synchronized spindle speed, avoid western digital RE disks I hear they have a horrible failure rate according to newegg reviews. If you really wanted I suppose you could step it up to Serial Attached SCSI the disks in that category are built like a tank generally which I'm sure you know. Their cost is quite a bit more.

That's just my 2cp worth, just making a few suggestions on a sub 2000$ machine. Maybe such a idea cant work out for you but I was bored and sat and wrote it. And I'm sure someone is bored and sat and read it and may have ideas of their own to post.

We can always go cheaper. The whole point of this plan is to NOT go the cheapest route. As was stated by CD in another thread, I will be providing a the co-lo to put this equipment at my expense. In exchange, I will be running a virtual host on this equipment. Currently, I have that virtual machine running on one of two physical machines so I can move it to the other in the event of a hardware failure. I am not going to give up that redundancy for my own set up. This means it has to be two machines. I do not have the IP space for additional machines without an additional fee per month, which is also not going to happen.

My existing machines do not have the disk IO ability to handle PEQ. They might be a bit light on CPU as well, but it is possible that both could be used in tandem for PEQ if the disk IO problem were addressed. That would require a caching raid card.

The raid cards in our proposal are about $800 each. Sure, we could go cheaper, but then we would not have as much expandability in the future. These raid cards come with 512MB cache memory and are expandable to 4GB cache memory. They optionally have a battery that can be connected to them, which allows the safe use of write caching.

People seem to think that adding more drives in a RAID array always resolves disk IO problems. Just like networking, there are two values to pay attention to with disk IO: throughput and latency. Adding drives improves throughput but does not help latency, and in fact can even hurt latency. Higher spindle speeds and seek times improve latency. Read caching can help some as well if the predictive read ahead logic is good. Write caching can help quite a bit as it allows you to optimize writes to reduce the number of seeks required.

The systems we proposed will have a pair of 147GB 15krpm SAS drives in each. Short of enterprise class SSDs, this is the best we can do. Consumer class SSDs do not have the performance or the reliability we need.

The systems we are getting will be expandable to up to two 6 core xeons and up to 48GB ram. It is currently the cheapest option that I could find that has built in management and the expandability we desired. There are other options up to motherboards that could take up to two 12 core opterons and 256GB ram, but that costs even more than what we already proposed.

Also the suggestion in the quote above does not include any way to power cycle or reset the system. This is a feature that you generally get with more expensive server class motherboards. My current systems have this as well as the ones that are in the proposed setup for PEQ.

Here is the list of components proposed: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10972134

If you look at the bottom of that list, the subtotal is $4,156.74. Then you have to add for tax and shipping. That comes to $4,587.64. And don't forget that the money we are raising has PayPal fees taken out of it. So this is not a cheap endeavor. But it should be a long term solution, allowing for failures, both software and hardware, and allowing for quite a lot of relatively inexpensive upgrades later if more horsepower is needed.

[Quellren]

That comes to $4,587.64. And don't forget that the money we are raising has PayPal fees taken out of it.

It doesn't have to. There are no fees when donating money, provided you:
1) use the 'personal' tab when sending money. Label the transaction as a 'gift', 'other', or 'cash advance'. The other two options 'living expenses' and 'payment owed' won't have the paypal fees deducted but somehow don't seem to fit. This is, after all, a DONATION, not a PURCHASE.
the only other thing is:
2) pay for it with a paypal balance, or a validated bank acct. if you use a credit card or debit card there is a fee, I believe it's smaller, but still a fee.

This isn't shady, underhanded, or 'secret-squirrel'. You are making a donation. Not a purchase. Read the paypal site and stop wasting money.

[IamITdude]

Wowsie, just browsed that list of components. You're sure going for redundancy upon redundancy. Seems a solid plan, although I wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper to just go mid-range setup and then simply upgrade mid-range again in a year or two. The logistics of that might be a shit storm in itself though.

You say you're going to be running two of thoose bad boys? I hope you've got enough wall amps at your hosting provider to run two huge guzzlers at peak(ing) capacity. Back of the envelope calculation, they are going to be sucking up what 7, 8 amps? I host my servers in a shared co-lo which puts a severe limit on how much juice my servers can suck up without me paying extra.

But :) given you're proposing this I guess you've considered this.

[gaeorn]

It doesn't have to. There are no fees when donating money, provided you:
1) use the 'personal' tab when sending money. Label the transaction as a 'gift', 'other', or 'cash advance'. The other two options 'living expenses' and 'payment owed' won't have the paypal fees deducted but somehow don't seem to fit. This is, after all, a DONATION, not a PURCHASE.
the only other thing is:
2) pay for it with a paypal balance, or a validated bank acct. if you use a credit card or debit card there is a fee, I believe it's smaller, but still a fee.

This isn't shady, underhanded, or 'secret-squirrel'. You are making a donation. Not a purchase. Read the paypal site and stop wasting money.

Unfortunately, most donate via credit card. But yes, for those who do not, they can use the option you state.

[gaeorn]

Wowsie, just browsed that list of components. You're sure going for redundancy upon redundancy. Seems a solid plan, although I wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper to just go mid-range setup and then simply upgrade mid-range again in a year or two. The logistics of that might be a shit storm in itself though.

You say you're going to be running two of thoose bad boys? I hope you've got enough wall amps at your hosting provider to run two huge guzzlers at peak(ing) capacity. Back of the envelope calculation, they are going to be sucking up what 7, 8 amps? I host my servers in a shared co-lo which puts a severe limit on how much juice my servers can suck up without me paying extra.

But :) given you're proposing this I guess you've considered this.

We have sufficient power for peak needs, although if it ran at peak all the time, then we did not pick out the right equipment based on what we are shooting for. My estimated average will be around 2 amps per system. Remember, that is an average, with lower power draw during the off hours.

[badplayer]

I've never used "enterprise" raid. What do $800 raid cards do that intel chipset raid doesn't do? Isn't the bottleneck the hard drives and not the chipset??? Even with an old ICH8R, two super fastSSD doesn't bottleneck it and these mechanical drivers are way slower.

[Itchybottom]

I've never used "enterprise" raid. What do $800 raid cards do that intel chipset raid doesn't do? Isn't the bottleneck the hard drives and not the chipset??? Even with an old ICH8R, two super fastSSD doesn't bottleneck it and these mechanical drivers are way slower.

Battery backed cache, and in most cases better cross-platform driver compatibility because companies like Areca have product lines that aren't as wide spread as a systems integrator.

[Jaqua]

we can talk all day about how we are going to donate yadda yadda. with all this talk of donations and the absurdity of having a server with no access and the only access it has is a man who has pretty much dissappeared. This is sounding alot like a scam now. A day maybe 2 back online yeah.. 3 days going into four ok.. it seems a bit excessive especially when money is being asked for.

Thats not to say that I wouldnt donate but with all this talk about server costs yadda yadda.. hell with 1 grand you could buy a decent server pc with enough power to run its not like we see 500+ people a night anyway.. max we get these days is about 250 if that

[badplayer]

Battery backed cache, and in most cases better cross-platform driver compatibility because companies like Areca have product lines that aren't as wide spread as a systems integrator.

Why in the world would that be needed for a EQ server? Those two raid cards take the price from relatively easy to do, to crazy expensive. $2400 vs $4000.

I can't even imagine a situation where you would need such a thing as opposed to a plain old UPS at 1/10th the cost. That's something a giant corporation like VISA would buy for redundancy in credit card transactions. I would imagine most etailers, unless you're the size of newegg, don't even have one. This is madness.

[Rogean]

I've set Gaeorn up with a server on our farm. Hes working on setting it up but I think cavedude has the only backup of the database, so we still have to wait until Tuesday.

[TheDonkey]

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[sorvani]

Why in the world would that be needed for a EQ server? Those two raid cards take the price from relatively easy to do, to crazy expensive. $2400 vs $4000.

I can't even imagine a situation where you would need such a thing as opposed to a plain old UPS at 1/10th the cost. That's something a giant corporation like VISA would buy for redundancy in credit card transactions. I would imagine most etailers, unless you're the size of newegg, don't even have one. This is madness.

I can telly you that you would be wrong there. I recommend similar equipment to every single client when purchasing servers for their small and medium businesses. Giant megacorp has 2 or three sets of redundant servers. SMB has a single server with hot swap components and 4 hour service contracts with their vendors. A SMB can't afford multiples (well say they can't), but they hurt far worse than megacorp when their system goes down.

[badplayer]

I can telly you that you would be wrong there. I recommend similar equipment to every single client when purchasing servers for their small and medium businesses. Giant megacorp has 2 or three sets of redundant servers. SMB has a single server with hot swap components and 4 hour service contracts with their vendors. A SMB can't afford multiples (well say they can't), but they hurt far worse than megacorp when their system goes down.

Yea but....this is an EQ server. Two redundant boxes plus two $800 raid cards is just a lot of money. Could get this done so much easier without the expensive raid cards.

[gaeorn]

I've never used "enterprise" raid. What do $800 raid cards do that intel chipset raid doesn't do? Isn't the bottleneck the hard drives and not the chipset??? Even with an old ICH8R, two super fastSSD doesn't bottleneck it and these mechanical drivers are way slower.

If you don't know the difference between an Areca raid card with cache and an Intel ICH8R, then there is no point in me educating you. And besides, by the time you get large enough enterprise class SSDs to do what we need, you have exceeded the cost of the raid cards. If you go buy the cheapy consumer SSDs, you won't get the performance needed, and we'll be risking data loss at any time due to their notorious unreliability, particularly when doing lots of small writes (like the emu server does).

Why in the world would that be needed for a EQ server? Those two raid cards take the price from relatively easy to do, to crazy expensive. $2400 vs $4000.

I can't even imagine a situation where you would need such a thing as opposed to a plain old UPS at 1/10th the cost. That's something a giant corporation like VISA would buy for redundancy in credit card transactions. I would imagine most etailers, unless you're the size of newegg, don't even have one. This is madness.

A battery backup for the raid card is so you can use the cache memory for write caching. Sure, you could theoretically rely upon a UPS, but even they sometimes loose power. Redundancy in the UPS reduces the chance of that, but all it takes is a moment without power to loose that write cache and you've corrupted your entire data set. So most raid card manufacturers won't allow you to do write caching unless they at least provide the option to add a battery to the card itself.

As to the cost, it is because we aren't buying the lower end of the list. We could save some of the cost by buying cards that do not have expandable cache memory. But then we don't have room for growth in the future. If we go that route and we need more cache memory in the future, we throw those cards away and buy new ones. Is it just me, or would that bother anyone else?

Yea but....this is an EQ server. Two redundant boxes plus two $800 raid cards is just a lot of money. Could get this done so much easier without the expensive raid cards.

Ok, so we can set up a cheaper system. I think that has been covered repeatedly in this and other threads. But even then, it's only one system. The existing PEQ server, which lags horribly sometimes, cost about $1,200 (if my information is correct). So in theory, we could buy two like that for $2,400 and then have spent $2,400 on something that still lags horribly sometimes.

Or we can buy something better and eliminate the lag problem while we are at it. And if we are going to buy something better, why not get something that is expandable so we won't have to throw those systems away in a year when we exceed the capabilities of those systems to handle the load PEQ puts on them?

As to why we need to buy two, I already explained that in this thread. I feel no need to repeat that here.

we can talk all day about how we are going to donate yadda yadda. with all this talk of donations and the absurdity of having a server with no access and the only access it has is a man who has pretty much dissappeared. This is sounding alot like a scam now. A day maybe 2 back online yeah.. 3 days going into four ok.. it seems a bit excessive especially when money is being asked for.

Thats not to say that I wouldnt donate but with all this talk about server costs yadda yadda.. hell with 1 grand you could buy a decent server pc with enough power to run its not like we see 500+ people a night anyway.. max we get these days is about 250 if that

You think this sounds like a scam now. I really don't know what to say to this. I guess don't donate if that is the way you feel. The service will still be free to all of you.

As to the time it has been down, what is a more reasonable response time for free hosting? The co-lo facility is providing their service for free because FNW used to work for them so they are doing it as a favor for an ex-employee. But given the service is being given away for free, the fact that they do anything at all to help when we have problems is nice of them.

FNW travels for his new job. Last I heard, he was out of town. Although he put in a reboot request, if the server did not come up properly after the reboot, he will have to deal with it in person when he is back in town. Should we expect him to fly back home sooner to deal with this in a more timely manner? Or should we expect that the hosting company is going to diagnose problems with the system and fix it for us (since clearly they aren't giving us enough for free already)?

Yes, the situation sucks. But we are getting what we are paying for. If you don't like the way it is right now, do something to change the situation. That's what we are trying to do.

And again, someone stating what it would cost to build a server that will run PEQ. This time its $1,000. Interesting that the old server, that cost $1,200, sometimes can barely keep up with the demands on it. But somehow, a $1,000 server will handle it all just fine. Course, then you'll have to find hosting for it since my offer to host requires dual servers for redundancy. But that should be easy to find. Everyone wants to spend money on hosting a free service, don't they?

Yes, I'm getting sarcastic due to my irritation with the constant battle over this. We are doing the best we feel that we can. CD and I spend six months discussing this back and forth before we settled on this. Do you think we didn't consider the alternatives? I can't even tell you how many different configurations we went through before we settled on this one.

We aren't asking for all of the money right now. In fact, we aren't asking for money at all. Were just stating where donated money will go and the reasons why someone might want to donate. If we got no donations at all, we would continue things as they are, doing the best we can.

If you feel you can suggest something better, spec out two identical systems (or a single system and let us know who will pay for the hosting) and explain how they cover the disk IO latency issue and have good expandability so we don't have to throw away hardware in the future. We'd be happy to look at such a setup. But please stop throwing out dollar amounts without a system spec behind it. We need hard info if we are to look at alternatives.

I've set Gaeorn up with a server on our farm. Hes working on setting it up but I think cavedude has the only backup of the database, so we still have to wait until Tuesday.

This is assuming CD comes up with a way to set this up where he is comfortable with it. We can't expect him to maintain something that is awkward or difficult for him in some way. However, I fully expect this could be used until we get the new servers set up. But ultimately it is up to CD and his discretion. I am making sure this system is ready for him when he gets back on Tuesday in the event he wishes to make use of it.

Even when CD is back on Tuesday, remember that his backups may not be right up to the time that PEQ went down. So it may be a choice of rolling back to an earlier backup or waiting until the current PEQ server is available to him again. I only say this so people understand why there may be further delays before PEQ is available for play again. It all depends on what CD has and how quickly it could be put into use.

[Ellyeni]

/cheer Gaeorn :)


Sad the server is still down but I call PEQ home and thoroughly appreciate what everyone does to provide EQ for free and also what they are doing to try and get it back up and running. I made a donation after the last downtime a few weeks ago and that was the first downtime I had experienced since I started playing in February. As previously posted by CD when PEQ crashed last time the server had been up for over 400 days straight which is a huge effort for being free.

Yes we have a reset for a few minutes each night which is required tho annoying to us Oceanic players......:) but you could probably guarantee that those short downtimes don't equal the downtimes that you pay a monthly fee for on Live when they do their upgrades and coding changes etc. Oddly noone seems to complain about paying for that downtime .......

Come back PEQ we miss you /hug

[badplayer]

The existing PEQ server, which lags horribly sometimes

I don't see the server lagging myself, I see the server bandwith not being high enough to have more than 250-300ish online without getting dropped while zoning.

[gaeorn]

I don't see the server lagging myself, I see the server bandwith not being high enough to have more than 250-300ish online without getting dropped while zoning.

Dropping while zoning is not what I was referring to. I was referring to the times where tells take several seconds to go through.
How do you know dropping while zoning is caused by lack of bandwidth?
Even if there was an issue with bandwidth, what does that have to do with the other server lag many players have experienced?
What evidence do you have that shows a bandwidth shortage?

[Inda313]

It will all be well again in due time, if anything gives people a chance to to check out other servers and how things are over there. I personally have tried a few of the other ones 1999 and EZ for example but can only play them for so long before I lose interest. And eventually things will be back up and running because this is the server that tests the database allot of others are using. I know if I had the money to cut them a 4k check I would but for now it just going to be $25 or so at the end of month when the bills are paid and I can spare the money. If a few more did like wise we would be in great shape in no time. Just me ranting, see you all soon when the server comes back.

[badplayer]

I was referring to the times where tells take several seconds to go through.

Never seen that happen until a few days ago....which follows with getting "world server disconnected" or something like that message. All that is new stuff to me. Have never seen "world server disconnected" message when sending tells in 2 years of play up until very recent.

[KalikaMojeska]

Me and my hubby started back to EQ just this last month after MANY years of being being gone and recently even made it to LV 20 woo hoo :). After trying a few different servers we felt we found a home on PEQ. Everyone has been so friendly, especially with my sometimes NOOB questions and helpful like giving me buffs so I could get my levels back before my hubby got home and found out how dumb I really was when I fell though the tree in BB and lost 3 levels just doing a corpse run b/c I was lost LOL.

I know my hubby already told me he will be giving a donation this month...not sure if it will be $25 or $100 (we have 2 little kids 4yrs and 9months) it will depend on bills this month I am guessing. Hopefully no matter what it is it will be helpful.

Thank you guys for your hard work, and while we are sad PEQ is down we anxiously wait for it to come back up. Doesn't matter if it's one day or four days will we will be back when you are :)

Babes

[unykron]

I think some of these peeps should take a chill pill and be patient for several reasons.

1- Its free so as much as you wanna get ticked cause you cant play always remember...it's free.

2 - Dont bitch about what setup they wanna use....it's their servers when they get the money it will all be all right again..until then qwitchabitchin.


3 - refer to 1 and 2 and if you still cant seem to get it, grab a roll of duct tape and super glue and glue the tape to your lips.

as for donations, yes I havent made one yet im still catching up my bills but I will make one of many. as for the rest quit bitchin about the donations for somthing that is free for you to play.

If you dont trust them enough to help out and make our server run with perfection then maybe you shouldnt be taking advantage of the free part and then put your 2 cents in like as if you been paying monthly for 3 years

[below9k]

At least this few day long break will throw off some hardcore campers spawn timers on mobs which they dont feel like sharing :P

[kill_Aes_Sedai]

9 pages of whining and why this hard drive? you could use this one etc etc. EqEmu is free ALL of it but cave dudes rogean and quite a few other developers time is not free in order to run these servers they have to take time out of their busy lives ( or maybe not so busy... but who cares) we should send them money to just pay for their time that goes into this project so that we can even play. yet, thats not what we do. Instead we make a 9 page thread of crap that i have to scan through to find any information about the server. These people arent even asking for donations for the countless days of programming that has gone into bring your peq and eqemu... they are asking for donations to help provide a server that is more stable for the players. so when shit like this happens they can get the server up and running SO YOU the player can get back to playing all that much faster. Donate for their time. Donate for the server. Or choose to play on the server for free. Whatever you decide to do stop complaining and whining.
To clear one thing up i do not know much about servers but i do know that once the new server is up and running we are going to be hosting PEQ and something else on it. The other thing will pay for peq to be hosted for free saving everyone a lot of money and allowing donations to go to better uses. Hopefully something nice for the developers.
Darthal

[Mghargh]

Maj'Qah!<cool>

[Maladien]

I've already made a hefty donation, but I'm going to up the ante a bit here.

I'm going to match donations in $100 increments for the next two weeks or until the target amount has been reached, which ever comes first. So if you donate $100 I'll donate $100, if 4 ppl donate $25 each, I'll donate $100, if you donate $200, I'll donate $200, etc etc....

This doesn't include Gaeorns $1000 donation he's promised! Sorry Gaeorn, I make good money, but even this is going to strain my budget a bit depending on how much this encourages others to donate. I think it's worth it though or I wouldn't make the offer.

This matching program is effective today. I'll match all donations made on 8-30-2010 to 9-13-2010 to help get the servers we need.

I'm hoping this will encourage the rest of you to dig deep and make a donation. Also, depending on the response this generates, I might extend the offer. This is your chance to make a difference folks. Time to put up.

I'm pretty sure donations go to cavedude00@gmail.com on paypal.com, I'll let Gaeorn chime in here to confirm that. At least, that is where my last donation went to.

And for those of you making alternate suggestions on hardware, I'm sure the intent is good, but like Gaeorn said, they discussed it quite a bit, it's been decided already. I've looked at the list of hardware and it's a very solid and expandable setup and I know what I'm talking about as I've spent many years in IT, from a basic tech when i started out up to managing an 800 workstation call center (the IT portion of it, not the center itself). Even though I don't do that work anymore, to stressful.

Those of you complaining about down time, start contributing to the code base or make a donation to get the hardware needed, either that or stop your whining. All you are doing is discouraging those folks who are putting a lot of their own personal time and finances into a project that you are deriving free entertainment from. Try doing something about it instead of talking about it. ie donate code, money, or constructive bug reports that helps the coders.

Personally, I highly appreciate all the people who have put a lot of work into making eqemulator what it is today. Thank you, All of you.

Ok, off to grab a bite to eat then back to Mafia II. (whimper)

[war_master11]

PLEASE War Master, bother to read the other posts on this subject Before you comment. The present server belongs to the person who originally set it up. He is no longer active. He is out in Colorado while the people presently running it live on the east coast. Those running it now are Trying to come up with the funds for a New server that they Will have access to. The new setup will cost around $4k & are asking for donations as it is a bit much to come out of their own pockets to run what is essentially a free game server.


What I'm trying to say is FNW should designate at least 1 or 2 developers as contact points with the hosting company. Right now it seems FNW is the only one that can talk them, why not let CD or others speak on his behalf?!

At this point, we don't even know what the hell is going on other than CD has contacted FNW. Has FNW even made contact yet with the host server? Or is the hosting server just keep delay the request for some reason??

[gaeorn]

Yes, the correct address to donate to is cavedude00@gmail.com (mailto:cavedude00@gmail.com).

[VoodooChild]

What I'm trying to say is FNW should designate at least 1 or 2 developers as contact points with the hosting company. Right now it seems FNW is the only one that can talk them, why not let CD or others speak on his behalf?!

At this point, we don't even know what the hell is going on other than CD has contacted FNW. Has FNW even made contact yet with the host server? Or is the hosting server just keep delay the request for some reason??

Great point, obviously best case scenario would be the ability to directly contact someone who can touch the server. I'd imagine this has been addressed already?

Maladien, that's a great gesture.

Admins and those who give their time and resources to the Peq server, thank you. It's a great setup with the website, magelo, database etc. etc. I know I'll play on this server for the foreseeable future.

[kill_Aes_Sedai]

Alright, Gaeorn made it very clear, but im going to go into it in more detail. The server is in Co. it is being hosted for FREE by a company FNW worked for. Cavedude asked FNW to put in the request to restart the server (which everyone was HOPING would fix the server) now im pretty sure a request was made days ago and the server has been restarted. There are many problems that can happen to a server that a simple reboot will not fix. Someone will have to go and physically diagnose and fix the problem. You cant expect cavedude to call the company and get them to diagnose and fix a server they are hosting for free. So it falls to FNW since he is the only one even close to the area the server is. This man works and has his own life and is clearly very busy. So we have to wait till he gets a break in his very busy life to go and fix a server that he no longer even runs. Is everyone starting to see why PEQ needs a server that atleast someone who is still actually working on the server to be able to fix and work on it. This is not simply a problem calling FNW or calling the company and asking for a restart is going to fix. Im sure this is comething that all the developers of PEQ have thought a lot about to create better stability to PEQ as a whole and this is the solution they came up with. If it was as simple as having FNW say hey, this is cavedude if he calls and ask to reset the server he is speaking for me(FNW) then im sure we wouldnt be having this problem right now. PEQ needs a new server.

[badplayer]

Since the server is still down, I'm guessing Cavedude sent an email to FNW about the server and FNW never bothered to read it and nobody ever called the hosting company for reset.....that would be my best guess.

[gaeorn]

Since the server is still down, I'm guessing Cavedude sent an email to FNW about the server and FNW never bothered to read it and nobody ever called the hosting company for reset.....that would be my best guess.

You'd be wrong, but that's ok.

[TheDonkey]

Since the server is still down, I'm guessing Cavedude sent an email to FNW about the server and FNW never bothered to read it and nobody ever called the hosting company for reset.....that would be my best guess.

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And for those who continue to do it...

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[Maladien]

Since the server is still down, I'm guessing Cavedude sent an email to FNW about the server and FNW never bothered to read it and nobody ever called the hosting company for reset.....that would be my best guess.

This is just a wild guess, but.. you didn't read page one of this thread...

[war_master11]

now im pretty sure a request was made days ago and the server has been restarted.


There are only 3 possibilities

1. like you said, Host got the message, rebooted the server, but the server did not come back up

2. Host has been contacted, but has not reboot it yet for whatever reason

3. FNW has not yet contacted the host, either did not read the msg from CD or just too busy with other stuff (vacation maybe?) and put it off.


Which one do you think is the most likely case?

[Fatboy5706]

Alright, Gaeorn made it very clear, but im going to go into it in more detail. The server is in Co. it is being hosted for FREE by a company FNW worked for. Cavedude asked FNW to put in the request to restart the server (which everyone was HOPING would fix the server) now im pretty sure a request was made days ago and the server has been restarted. There are many problems that can happen to a server that a simple reboot will not fix. Someone will have to go and physically diagnose and fix the problem. You cant expect cavedude to call the company and get them to diagnose and fix a server they are hosting for free. So it falls to FNW since he is the only one even close to the area the server is. This man works and has his own life and is clearly very busy. So we have to wait till he gets a break in his very busy life to go and fix a server that he no longer even runs. Is everyone starting to see why PEQ needs a server that atleast someone who is still actually working on the server to be able to fix and work on it. This is not simply a problem calling FNW or calling the company and asking for a restart is going to fix. Im sure this is comething that all the developers of PEQ have thought a lot about to create better stability to PEQ as a whole and this is the solution they came up with. If it was as simple as having FNW say hey, this is cavedude if he calls and ask to reset the server he is speaking for me(FNW) then im sure we wouldnt be having this problem right now. PEQ needs a new server.

stop repeating what has been repeated 20 times already you waste my time with this babble

[pfyon]

Do you guys monitor the PEQ server using any performance monitoring software? Specifically thinking CPU usage, disk i/o, network usage, and memory usage. If you don't already, the second box for the new setup would be a perfect place to put some software (ala Cacti), assuming it will be operating 24/7.

It's important to know where your bottlenecks are so you can spend money efficiently when upgrading.

[gaeorn]

Do you guys monitor the PEQ server using any performance monitoring software? Specifically thinking CPU usage, disk i/o, network usage, and memory usage. If you don't already, the second box for the new setup would be a perfect place to put some software (ala Cacti), assuming it will be operating 24/7.

It's important to know where your bottlenecks are so you can spend money efficiently when upgrading.

On the existing server, nobody but FNW had permissions to do proper performance monitoring. This is yet another thing we want improved.

[Minstrel]

For what it's worth, on the subject of choosing to either restore on a new server from a backup, or wait for the most up to date data, I'm in favor of the latter. This is purely selfish though :wink: , as I don't relish camping Phinny for the last piece of the mage epic another few weeks (just finally got the staff the night before the crash, and he is a 3 day spawn). I suspect others are in the same position though. Plus any recent data from the crash might help troubleshoot what the issue is.

[badplayer]

For what it's worth, on the subject of choosing to either restore on a new server from a backup

Please for the love of god, no more experimental "I wonder if this will work" changes till FNW stops hosting it.

[kill_Aes_Sedai]

stop repeating what has been repeated 20 times already you waste my time with this babble
/smack vaulk

[gaeorn]

Please for the love of god, no more experimental "I wonder if this will work" changes till FNW stops hosting it.

What are you talking about? What changes? The server is down, dude. There aren't any changes going on.

[badplayer]

What are you talking about? What changes? The server is down, dude. There aren't any changes going on.

People were claiming a few posts up that the server was reset but it still doesn't boot which would infer that something was changed to prevent PEQ from loading.

now im pretty sure a request was made days ago and the server has been restarted. .

[Mghargh]

stop repeating what has been repeated 20 times already you waste my time with this babble

Evidently he IS repeating it for the Very simple reason that it is Obvious that so many posting on this thread are Not reading everything that has been posted here & on Other related threads on the forum.

/wedge

[badplayer]

Evidently he IS repeating it for the Very simple reason that it is Obvious that so many posting on this thread are Not reading everything that has been posted here & on Other related threads on the forum.

Nobody reads Darthal posts because he types at a 2nd grade reading level. It's a blob of text with incorrect spacing and no paragraphs.

[Zidane]

Nobody reads Darthal posts because he types at a 2nd grade reading level.

Now to be perfectly fair... the average American Novelist writes at about a 4th grade reading level... Meaning the average American reads at roughly a 4th grade level...
Even if Darthal did write at a second grade level, big whoop... people would be able to understand him just fine... as opposed to the general Government Document which is written at roughly a 12th grade level.

[Fatboy5706]

Evidently he IS repeating it for the Very simple reason that it is Obvious that so many posting on this thread are Not reading everything that has been posted here & on Other related threads on the forum.

/wedge

well lets see, if they arent reading every post thenw hat makes them read that one? lol it needs COLORS!, ITALICIZATION, UNDERLINING, and BOLD type font!

[kill_Aes_Sedai]

Nobody reads Darthal posts because he types at a 2nd grade reading level. It's a blob of text with incorrect spacing and no paragraphs.
Edited my post for reasons of civility...
Though i would like to catch you in the arena.

[arf1337]

I was looking through Eqemu's webpage earlier and saw something interesting. Almost all of the servers run off of this server's database. Because of that, wouldn't you think that the people running this server know what they are doing? People who are bitching should stop and donate instead to help them make it even better. Seeing the cost to run a server similar to the one we get to play on for free, shouldn't we help out? anyone who can even spare a dime should donate what they can. Its late i'm tired and i'm just ranting.

I thank everyone involved in creating this great server and I apologize to the Developers, staff and others involved in some way for all of this bs.

[arf1337]

I was looking through Eqemu's webpage earlier and saw something interesting. Almost all of the servers run off of this server's database. Because of that, wouldn't you think that the people running this server know what they are doing? People who are bitching should stop and donate instead to help them make it even better. Seeing the cost to run a server similar to this server, i'm amazed that we get to play on it for free. What is being asked to make it even better makes me believe that anyone who can even spare a dime should donate what they can.

I thank everyone involved in creating this great server and I apologize to the Developers, staff and others involved in some way for all of this bs.

Its late i'm tired and i'm just ranting.

[Minstrel]

These last few posts have my head spinning as to who's fighting with whom, but if there was some confusion over my post earlier, I just wanted to add that it was concerning Rogean's post on page 8:

I've set Gaeorn up with a server on our farm. Hes working on setting it up but I think cavedude has the only backup of the database, so we still have to wait until Tuesday.

If this was taken as something other than one opinion from a player trying to contribute constructively, it was taken incorrectly. If such opinions are not welcome, I apologize and will not post any further.

[Jaqua]

could this be the end of PEQ?

[gaeorn]

People were claiming a few posts up that the server was reset but it still doesn't boot which would infer that something was changed to prevent PEQ from loading.

Clearly you know nothing of systems administration, or much about computers in general. There are plenty of reasons why a system might not boot properly after a problem that has nothing to do with changes being made to the system.

And ultimately, that person's statement was merely a guess. There is no evidence to suggest his guess is correct. In fact, there is some limited evidence to the contrary. Best I can tell, the server has not been rebooted yet. But that is still a guess based upon very limited evidence.

And, assuming I am correct and the server has not yet been rebooted, no, I do not know why not. But before certain people get into a tissy fit about this, consider that since the evidence is very limited one way or the other, the system may have been rebooted and simply still not be responding for reasons unknown.

[Maladien]

could this be the end of PEQ?

O.O

No.

PEQ is the eqemulator test server. EQemu would have to shut down before that would happen and even then I'm willing to bet someone would still be hosting PEQ. Read page one of this thread, you'll see that the main admin is out of town till today.

I guess I just assumed it was rebooted and didn't come back online. Maybe it wasn't rebooted. I should really not comment on what I don't know about /sigh
cavedude00 is back today tho and I'm hoping it will be back online within the next day or two once he can get access to it and figure out whats going on.

Which is a good thing, cause I've already played through Mafia II twice since it's been down. Going back through it again and unlocking achievements now /cry

[gaeorn]

...

I thank everyone involved in creating this great server and I apologize to the Developers, staff and others involved in some way for all of this bs.

...

Thank you. We deal with this every time there are problems. It's people like you that keep us going.

These last few posts have my head spinning as to who's fighting with whom, but if there was some confusion over my post earlier, I just wanted to add that it was concerning Rogean's post on page 8:



If this was taken as something other than one opinion from a player trying to contribute constructively, it was taken incorrectly. If such opinions are not welcome, I apologize and will not post any further.

Such feedback is always welcome. In response to it, we would not go back to a backup unless it was absolutely necessary. We completely understand that even a few hours of rollback can make a huge difference.

could this be the end of PEQ?

/sigh

PEQ has been around longer than nearly all the other servers in the EQemu community and it will be around after most of the currently active ones have disappeared. PEQ has been through much worse than this and survived. Sure, we have lost server population, but since the players who leave tend to be the whiny, unhappy players who expect flawless service for free, is that really such a bad thing? Those who stick around tend to have a server of happy and helpful players when they return.

[badplayer]

Clearly you know nothing of systems administration, or much about computers in general.

Wtf dude, you should probably stop the assumptions then.

You also just made 2 posts that completely contradict each other. I posted the following:

Since the server is still down, I'm guessing Cavedude sent an email to FNW about the server and FNW never bothered to read it and nobody ever called the hosting company for reset.....that would be my best guess.


and you post

You'd be wrong, but that's ok.

Then you completely reverse your story a few posts later and say exactly the same thing I said?!?!??

Best I can tell, the server has not been rebooted yet. But that is still a guess based upon very limited evidence.

And, assuming I am correct and the server has not yet been rebooted, no, I do not know why not.

wtf?

[Mghargh]

@badplayer

You are also making an assumption. You are assuming that they Were able to immediately contact FNW as I believe, and I may be wrong, he was supposed to be out of town. If there is anything more wrong than something like a simple reboot can handle it could be a simple software glitch that would need someone familiar with the program to straighten out. It could even be something as simple as some noob at the hosting company feeling too busy to screw around with a free game server while he/she has other servers to keep track of that they actually get paid for operating. For that matter who says that our server is the only one on their site that is not working correctly.

[gaeorn]

I said the server has not been rebooted as far as I can tell. I also stated that what you said in the following quote was incorrect:

Since the server is still down, I'm guessing Cavedude sent an email to FNW about the server and FNW never bothered to read it and nobody ever called the hosting company for reset.....that would be my best guess.

How do my two statements conflict with each other? Apparently you are unable to see that FNW could have been informed and responded so we know he is aware of the problem, but at the same time the server has not yet been rebooted. Your statement said FNW probably had not read an email and the hosting company had not been called. But we got a response from FNW so we know he was aware of the problem. This shows that your statement that you think cavedude merely sent an email to FNW and FNW had not yet read it was wrong.

Then you completely reverse your story a few posts later and say exactly the same thing I said?!?!??

There is a difference between the server not being rebooted and people not being informed that the server needs to be rebooted. Your statement above (first quote in this message) says you do not believe people at the hosting company were informed. My statement says the server was not rebooted. The two are not discussing the same thing.

Based upon your logic, asking someone to do something is exactly the same as it having been done. Those of us with children know that is often not the case :)

In any case, I'm getting very tired of your attitude. You appear to only be here to cause trouble and be negative. So far, your posts have all been speculation without any evidence. They have all been very negative and at best have been questioning how things have been handled. At worst, they have, for all intents and purposes, accused the devs of incompetence. I have yet to see a single post you have made in this thread that was of any use to anyone.

Apparently you are so frustrated with being unable to play on PEQ that you feel you should try to make life miserable for those who are putting their time and effort in to providing you a game to play at no cost to you. I am politely asking you to stop now, before my patience runs out.

[DeathSymbolic]

This forum is full of 11 year olds. Including the moderators.

[gaeorn]

This forum is full of 11 year olds. Including the moderators.

Earlier in this thread:

And you can count me as a player that PEQ just lost to p1999

Need I say more?

[badplayer]

In any case, I'm getting very tired of your attitude.

I don't have any attitude, you tried to claim I'm some kind of idiot that doesn't know anything about computers. I was talking about technical issues only such as two $800 raid cards being astronomically expensive for a 300 population server since the hard drives don't even exceed the i/o capability of a pentium 4 southbridge.

Clearly you know nothing of systems administration, or much about computers in general..

[below9k]

When ever someone plays the video game everquest alot of hard work and time goes in to playing the game so when the server is down emotions run high.

What many people do not seem to realize is that there is this thing called life outside of this screen you are reading my post from now.

I have played EQ for years and years on and off, and time away from EQ when you didnt want to separate is hard, but life goes on people.

Gaeorn and others who are still active guardians of PEQ are in the same boat as all of us and i am sure want nothing more than to be back online and killing stuff.

I for one have been spending more time with the gf and making her happy, and also got a 15 page paper done that is not even due till the end of the semester.

Once Gaeorn gets more custody of PEQ good things will happen.

Dont think all of us are upset, most of us do see and very much value the hard work you and others put in to this server and i have nothing negative to say about how anything has really been handled. Because SHIT HAPPENS

[gaeorn]

I don't have any attitude, you tried to claim I'm some kind of idiot that doesn't know anything about computers.

Either you do not know much about computers or you leap to conclusions. To wit:

People were claiming a few posts up that the server was reset but it still doesn't boot which would infer that something was changed to prevent PEQ from loading.

First of all, a system being reset but not coming backup after a crash is not unusual, even without changes to the system. You either do not know this or chose to ignore it as you originally took a possible failed reboot as much more than just an inference of changes, but instead as fact, as shown by:

Please for the love of god, no more experimental "I wonder if this will work" changes till FNW stops hosting it.

So ultimately, either you do not know enough about computers, or, even with the appropriate knowledge of computers, you are choosing to ignore that and pick a single possible cause and attack the developers over that possibility.

[badplayer]

Please for the love of god, no more experimental "I wonder if this will work" changes till FNW stops hosting it.

That was more of a joke than anything. I dunno why you would get mad at that.

[Fatboy5706]

There are only 3 possibilities

1. like you said, Host got the message, rebooted the server, but the server did not come back up

2. Host has been contacted, but has not reboot it yet for whatever reason

3. FNW has not yet contacted the host, either did not read the msg from CD or just too busy with other stuff (vacation maybe?) and put it off.


Which one do you think is the most likely case?

any clue if they fed the hampstetrs?

[Fatboy5706]

For what it's worth, on the subject of choosing to either restore on a new server from a backup, or wait for the most up to date data, I'm in favor of the latter. This is purely selfish though :wink: , as I don't relish camping Phinny for the last piece of the mage epic another few weeks (just finally got the staff the night before the crash, and he is a 3 day spawn). I suspect others are in the same position though. Plus any recent data from the crash might help troubleshoot what the issue is.

phinny is a 12 hour spawn

[truckinunc]

So any news on when its gonna be back up? I saw something about hopefully Tuesday, but haven't seen anything lately

[gaeorn]

I know cavedude was going to be back today. But no specific time was specified. So far, I have not heard from him, so I have no new information regarding the server.

[truckinunc]

ok, thx a lot Gaeorn! I have just recently got my account back up and running and needed the crack....lol:D

[bademan1971]

100 % of us are upset we can't play, but 99.9% of us aren't in a tizzy over it and realize "shit happens." It will be fixed soon and we will be playing soon. Don't let the 0.1% get you down, Big-G and the other admins. The rest of us appreciate you taking the time to keep us updated.

The other 0.1% should start their own server and check back with us in a year or two and compare notes about how often the server randomly crashes or hardware fails after running for 24/7 over that timeframe.

[Ellyeni]

Thanks Gaeorn for keeping us as up to date as you can with what is happening with PEQ. :)

Would be nice if those of us that just want to know what is happening didn't have to wade through 12 pages of the same arguments from the last time PEQ was down .....

See sig :)

[Maladien]

100 % of us are upset we can't play, but 99.9% of us aren't in a tizzy over it and realize "shit happens." It will be fixed soon and we will be playing soon. Don't let the 0.1% get you down, Big-G and the other admins. The rest of us appreciate you taking the time to keep us updated.

The other 0.1% should start their own server and check back with us in a year or two and compare notes about how often the server randomly crashes or hardware fails after running for 24/7 over that timeframe.

****QFT****

[gaeorn]

I'm just sorry I don't have more information at this point. I'm still waiting on word from cavedude.

[badplayer]

100 % of us are upset we can't play, but 99.9% of us aren't in a tizzy over it and realize "shit happens." It will be fixed soon and we will be playing soon.

The number of rage posts are relative to forum join date. This is only the first or second time it's happened for all these 2010 join date people such as the above poster. For others, it's like the 6th time and people have flashbacks of when the server disappeared for over a month with no eta. OMG? WTF? OMG? posts are inevitable.

[nevtime]

Let's quit ripping the people that bust ass to bring us a free server. I wish I knew coding to help because I just can't afford to donate cash. If I had any, I would. All our toons will still be there and we will all get back to grinding and slaughtering soon enough.

All that being said....aggghhhh someone fix the server I'm having withdrawals!!!! Call in the National Guard, Call in the Army, Navy...Call em ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back to your regularly scheduled bitching :-D

[Secrets]

So yeah, I'm gonna be deleting some posts here. Knock off the negative, self-entitled attitudes.

PEQ will be up when it's back up. Please be patient.

[r8n8]

PEQ will be up when it's back up. Please be patient.

... or we will hire ninjas to loot all your goodies while you are sleeping.

[Secrets]

... or we will hire ninjas to loot all your goodies while you are sleeping.

I'll corrupt the ninja's...









heap.

[cpyburn78]

any new updates?

[gaeorn]

I still have not heard from cavedude. It appears something must have delayed him.

[war_master11]

Thanks Gaeorn... for keep us updated.

BTW are we getting close to the record of longest PEQ down time ever ? :D almost a full week now, remember it had a 2 week downtime before? hehe.. why was that?

[wendolyne]

Thanks Gaeorn... for keep us updated.

BTW are we getting close to the record of longest PEQ down time ever ? :D almost a full week now, remember it had a 2 week downtime before? hehe.. why was that?



Not really.



Lets all love everyone!

[barleo]

Still down today. I'm not complaining, honestly. I have barely an idea what the issues are. I'm just in mourning. :-(
My fondest wish is that some powerful cleric will resurrect the poor thing.

As for donations, of course it's legit for Cavedude to get some help. I just feel like a heel because my work is so sporadic lately. Hey, I'm playing for free! When I can, if I kick in and the server works, That's Great! If everyone kicks in and the server works AND the PEQ team has some left over for free coffee, Still Great! What business is it of mine. I'll still be happy saving Norath from the undead. :-D

BTW, the http://projecteq.net/ site is also down. Is it the same reason that the game server is down? I take it both are hosted on the same hardware?

You've been Ninja Buffed : +5 Patience :-)

[wendolyne]

Still down today. I'm not complaining, honestly. I have barely an idea what the issues are. I'm just in mourning. :-(
My fondest wish is that some powerful cleric will resurrect the poor thing.

As for donations, of course it's legit for Cavedude to get some help. I just feel like a heel because my work is so sporadic lately. Hey, I'm playing for free! When I can, if I kick in and the server works, That's Great! If everyone kicks in and the server works AND the PEQ team has some left over for free coffee, Still Great! What business is it of mine. I'll still be happy saving Norath from the undead. :-D

BTW, the http://projecteq.net/ site is also down. Is it the same reason that the game server is down? I take it both are hosted on the same hardware?

You've been Ninja Buffed : +5 Patience :-)




Yes they are on the same hardware. So you can check the site if u wanna know if its up :)

[Fatboy5706]

Yes they are on the same hardware. So you can check the site if u wanna know if its up :)

site will most likely be up before server tho

[wendolyne]

site will most likely be up before server tho



Correct.



God I want some kentucky fried chicken

[Maladien]

As for donations, of course it's legit for Cavedude to get some help.

The donations are for the hardware for new servers. Browse through the thread, you'll find plenty of detail regarding what hardware is needed and why it is needed. It will help us as much if not more than the devs as it will reduce down times like this drastically.

I'd be thrilled to know that some was left for the devs to pocket. They got to be spending a ton of their personal time with the code to make eqemu what it is today.

Just a reminder to those that have not read one of my earlier posts. I'm matching donations dollar for dollar for the next couple of weeks. Incentive to donate sooner rather than later if you can.

On an unrelated note...

Mafia II - Content Quality is awesome. Amount of content sucks balls. I spent about 15 hours and i'm done with it. All thats left is going back and doing it again on a harder lvl and unlocking achievements like collecting wanted posters and playboy centerfolds and other minor things. Definitely didn't get my money's worth out of it :mad:

Star Craft II - WOOHOO! I'm loving it, it's awesome :-D

[MNWatchdog]

I just read it in the hopes of actually finding some actual news about when the server is going to come up.

[Mghargh]

Amen Donkeyboy

THANK YOU! Someone else feels the same way I do.

A Second Heartfelt Amen from me as well.

[Swiftsong_Lorekeeper]

Lol that has to be the worst company name/slogan I have ever seen. I would probably just sleep in my car.

[Fatboy5706]

eq players are like fish in a tank... if food runs short they start eating each other...

[Seksor]

Shenanigans!!

I blame reno. Also, I miss you peq. Life is good.

[Secrets]

edit: unbanned the two that were causing noise.
I do not want the negativity in this thread; We know as much as you do as to when cavedude will be back.

I also know we're possibly switching to new hardware for PEQ, but that's going to be up to cavedude when he gets back.

Thanks for your patience.

[SvenOlav]

Money is very tight right now but . To me this is important I am gonna donate $10 for each of my characters on the server to help move this thing along to getting our new Servers . I challenge all of you who have not yet donated to do the same . This is our server as well we need to take responsibility just like the Dev's do to keep it running . Since I don't code I will donate . How about the rest of you ?

[KLS]

We'll probably bring up a temporary server until we can get this sorted out. Though we don't have a character backup so it would probably just be a special ruleset with peq db or something...

[wendolyne]

I will challenge you to a duel to the life.


What seems to be the officer problem anyway ? thought CD would be back tuesday.

[KLS]

Yeah I thought that too. Clearly he's been held up somewhere.

[gaeorn]

cavedude is back. I have just barely started speaking to him. I'm sure he will post an update when there is more information available.

[Mghargh]

Now, Y'all lay off of them for at Least a few hours & give CD a chance to look it over.

[KLS]

Yeah he's back, thankfully, I didn't want to have to deal with merging characters from a temp server anyway.

[Ellyeni]

no news ? :(

[KLS]

We're working on getting the data off the old server. Basically only thing holding us back atm.

[Ellyeni]

Ok - Thanks for the update KLS :)

[cavedude]

As KLS said, we are just waiting for old PEQ to come back up to get the data off. I don't have an ETA, and neither does FNW. It's completely and totally up to the host at this point.

Once the machine is back up, it'll no longer be used as our game or web server. Gaeorn and KLS helped me out a ton and worked out a plan where the web and game servers will be on two separate hosts. The game server will be hosted by Rogean (Many thanks to him!), and the rest will be hosted where we will be moving our entire operation once we get enough donations. (The current hardware is fine for a web server, but cannot handle a game server.) Geaorn and KLS already put a lot of the pieces into place, and were just waiting on me to finalize some minor stuff, and purchase the new domain. Once old PEQ is back up that's when my work starts. I'll grab all the data, and merge it into our new hosts. I'll probably do the web server first, then the game server as the game server has come to depend on some of the web functions we have.

The new website will be:

http://peqtgc.com

That domain is owned by me, so I have full control over it.

peqtgc.net and peqtgc.org also redirect to the peqtgc.com. (Thanks to Gaeorn for purchasing those two domains! Somebody send him a donation to cover that, please. I believe it should be around $40.) I'll see if I can get projecteq.net forwarded to peqtgc.com, but if not, I'll just replace the index.php on old PEQ with a redirect. The new login will probably be login.peqtgc.com, but that hasn't been setup yet, and won't be until we are ready to move forward with the game server (again, need old PEQ's data.)

As for the old PEQ, if it stays up it may get used as a secondary test server, where KLS can conduct inhumane experiments to see how much EQEmu can take. We may also use it for events and the like occasionally.

There will be no temporary server at this point. I don't see the point in wasting time working on a temporary solution, especially when that will just create more work when old PEQ comes back up and it's being split over the two hosts.

Sorry for the delay in the update, I got held up an extra day and spent the day yesterday getting caught up/working things out.

[wheeljack]

Ya know, this is the difference between PEQ and live: If this were live, people would be demanding a triple xp weekend once it was back up.

</plantSeed>

[VoodooChild]

Sounds like a winner, Cavedude. Looking forward to playing on the new setup.

[sorvani]

The new website will be:

http://peqtgc.com

That domain is owned by me, so I have full control over it.


This is peqtgc.com. It's like projecteq.net except you know, not down.:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

[Maladien]

Thanks for the update cd. Hope your trip went well and welcome back :)

And a big Thank You to Rogean, KLS, and Gaeorn for their help with PEQ.

[whoday]

Thank you for the update and your work on this. It has saddened me to see some of the posts here. I hope you don't take it to heart. I have tried to read all (although some of it is drivel) but haven't seen anything about how close you are to reaching your donation goal. I will be doing so within the next week. All the Skj alts will be glad to be back home once things are up and running. Thanks again.

[Eastwood]

Sounds very good,

I'm excited about the server coming back up!

Long live PEQ and thanks to all those who are helping and working with it.

This is Cantdrop.

[gaeorn]

...

peqtgc.net and peqtgc.org also redirect to the peqtgc.com. (Thanks to Gaeorn for purchasing those two domains! Somebody send him a donation to cover that, please. I believe it should be around $40.) ...

It was closer to $25 and there is no need to give me anything for it. If you were considering doing so, put that into the pot for the new servers for PEQ.

[sorvani]

I got some time in on Titan testing out a couple different 6 man teams. think i'll be rolling a couple new guys to change my team once it's back up :)

[DeathSymbolic]

Ya know, this is the difference between PEQ and live: If this were live, people would be demanding a triple xp weekend once it was back up.

</plantSeed>

Live also costs money...

[Fatboy5706]

Now, Y'all lay off of them for at Least a few hours & give CD a chance to look it over.

did we lay off long enough reya?.........

[Fatboy5706]

well ez server has lost its shine lol, max aas, epic 3.0, uber facking gear.... 3 days clocked on toon.

[KLS]

Ya know, this is the difference between PEQ and live: If this were live, people would be demanding a triple xp weekend once it was back up.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

[r8n8]

Cavedude is late.

This is the only explanation I can think of (substitute Cavedude in for Nino): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdklJDAzDKk

...

It's the only logical explantion.

[Eastwood]

I wouldn't mind 3x EXP hehe... only problem is it would ruin my homework time ahhhh!!!!

Actually I think it was a gift from god that PEQ went down like the first week of school for me. Seriously... As much as I love it, I'm glad I was forced to study when I had nothing better to do :)

But if we get server up tonight... OMG I'm gonna stock up on caffiene drinks, order a pizza, and play all damn weekend.

[Fatboy5706]

I wouldn't mind 3x EXP hehe... only problem is it would ruin my homework time ahhhh!!!!

Actually I think it was a gift from god that PEQ went down like the first week of school for me. Seriously... As much as I love it, I'm glad I was forced to study when I had nothing better to do :)

But if we get server up tonight... OMG I'm gonna stock up on caffiene drinks, order a pizza, and play all damn weekend.

skeet skeet

[TheDonkey]

I wouldn't mind 3x EXP hehe... only problem is it would ruin my homework time ahhhh!!!!

But if we get server up tonight... OMG I'm gonna stock up on caffiene drinks, order a pizza, and play all damn weekend.

I'll be in the same boat. Grind, baby, grind! Here's to hoping that it will be up soon!

Thanks for all the hard work and for the updates on what is going on CD, Gaeorn, KLS, and any others I forget to mention. This is a great server, and I truly appreciate everything that you do for us consumers. I know that once I earn some spare cash, I'm going to donate to the fund. Hopefully it will be in time for Maladien to match me! Once again, thank you.

[war_master11]

So it turns out this time the crash actually resulted a better server stability for PEQ at the end.... well hopefully anyway

so... did the server ever gets rebooted by the host at all in the past 7 days?

[gaeorn]

...
so... did the server ever gets rebooted by the host at all in the past 7 days?

Does not appear it has. The co-lo has been informed but has not done anything yet as far as we can tell. It may very well be that employees would get into trouble for working on the PEQ server when they have other things to do. This could explain the delay.

[badplayer]

But if we get server up tonight...

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Didn't sound like that was possible from reading the update.

Sounded more like 4-8 hours uploading, configuring, and testing after FNW box comes up. Unless they wanna leave FNW box up till the server is ready to change over to new box.

[Fatboy5706]

Does not appear it has. The co-lo has been informed but has not done anything yet as far as we can tell. It may very well be that employees would get into trouble for working on the PEQ server when they have other things to do. This could explain the delay.

thats lame.

[Eastwood]

*holding my breath*

I hope I don't die waiting :)

Oh well, I shouldn't be playing much right now anyways,

Gaeorn, thanks boss!

You know my heart is still in PEQ!

Cantdrop

[Mghargh]

thats lame.

That is the problem when a server company grandfathers in a free server slot for an old employee, those who actually Pay are taken care of first even if if is a minor problem. Not nice but the way the world runs, sadly enough.

And yes, thankee much from me anyway for not scrambling on their backs when they were just beginning to figure out the basic problem. You're not the worst by Far in giving them a raft.

[Fatboy5706]

just lookin for an eta a guesstimate will do. ;D

[gaeorn]

just lookin for an eta a guesstimate will do. ;D

Unfortunately, we really have no idea when the co-lo will get to the server. If prior problems are used as a guide, it has taken them anywhere from a day to over a month to respond to a request to deal with the server. However, the majority of instances are dealt with within the first two weeks. So cross your fingers that this time isn't the rare extra long wait.

[iKill]

How come you have to reply to every other post on this thread? Spamming the forums with random comments isn't making things go any faster...

Thanks devs for all your work, much appreciated.

[Fatboy5706]

UK UofL getting ready to play ^^

[below9k]

how old are you fatboy?

[Maladien]

Can we please stay on topic? Post elsewhere for rants and raves and trivial drivel not related to the status of the PEQ server please.

[Fatboy5706]

how old are you fatboy?

im old enough to be your great great grand father.

Can we please stay on topic? Post elsewhere for rants and raves and trivial drivel not related to the status of the PEQ server please.

thats not on topic either. the only thing that will be on topic is gaeorn's or CD's post... so, should everyone stop posting?

...

why cant we all just chat here because these are the people who really care about the server? instead of going and making a thread somehwere else that could be intruded on by p99 peeps or other server folk... everyone needs to chillax, the server will be up when the server will be up... in the meantime, sit down, have some coffee and shoot the breeze with your fellow PEQers.

[cavedude]

Just got word that PEQ *may* be getting a reboot tomorrow. There goes my weekend if so :P *Fingers crossed*.

[Maladien]

thats not on topic either. the only thing that will be on topic is gaeorn's or CD's post...

Correct, it isn't on topic, it was a polite request to stay on topic. This reply is not on topic either and I'd be perfectly fine with it being deleted, right along with every single post that is not related to the server being down atm.

so, should everyone stop posting?

If it's not directly related to the server being down, Yes.

why cant we all just chat here because these are the people who really care about the server?

Because thats not the "Topic" of this thread.

instead of going and making a thread somehwere else that could be intruded on by p99 peeps or other server folk...

The only thing keeping folks from p99 or other servers from posting in here is them not having anything to say about the Topic of this thread. Go make a post titled "Shooting the breeze with my fellow PEQers"

everyone needs to chillax, the server will be up when the server will be up...

Agreed.

in the meantime, sit down, have some coffee and shoot the breeze with your fellow PEQers.

I am having coffee atm, and if i'm interested in shooting the breeze with my fellow PEQers I'll be sure to hop over into your new thread where the topic is 'Shooting the breeze with my fellow PEQers' or whatever you choose to title it. (while that may sound sarcastic, it's not intended as such, it is to be taken literally)

[Maladien]

Thanks for the update CD.

[Fatboy5706]

Correct, it isn't on topic, it was a polite request to stay on topic. This reply is not on topic either and I'd be perfectly fine with it being deleted, right along with every single post that is not related to the server being down atm.



If it's not directly related to the server being down, Yes.



Because thats not the "Topic" of this thread.



The only thing keeping folks from p99 or other servers from posting in here is them not having anything to say about the Topic of this thread. Go make a post titled "Shooting the breeze with my fellow PEQers"



Agreed.



I am having coffee atm, and if i'm interested in shooting the breeze with my fellow PEQers I'll be sure to hop over into your new thread where the topic is 'Shooting the breeze with my fellow PEQers' or whatever you choose to title it. (while that may sound sarcastic, it's not intended as such, it is to be taken literally)

well the topic of the thread is "PEQ is down again ??" so really the only post that would be on topic would be "yes." or any form of the word... that is, if you want to get literal.

status posts should be made in the threat PEQ status!....

and thanks CD for rockin my socks.

[badplayer]

Just got word that PEQ *may* be getting a reboot tomorrow. There goes my weekend if so :P *Fingers crossed*.

I forgot to mention earlier in the thread, a few hours before server went down (then failed to reboot), there were PoP zones crashing multiple times with only 30 people in them that usually hold 90 <free agents> with no problem.

Assuming it's not code/ISP related, box might have collected enough dust in the year it was on to start overheating the hard drives/CPU/Ram or something like that. It's happened to me a few times. Hopefully somebody will turn it off a while before rebooting if that's the case.

[Fatboy5706]

I forgot to mention earlier in the thread, a few hours before server went down (then failed to reboot), there were PoP zones crashing multiple times with only 30 people in them that usually hold 90 <free agents> with no problem.

Assuming it's not code/ISP related, box might have collected enough dust in the year it was on to start overheating the hard drives/CPU/Ram or something like that. It's happened to me a few times. Hopefully somebody will turn it off a while before rebooting if that's the case.

FA doesnt raid with 90, l2count

[iKill]

Reason for staying on topic is because anyone just coming into this situation now has to wade thru 16 pages of posts, about 1/3 of which are actually worth reading. I'm reading this thread to check for updates as to the status of the PEQ server, not whatever random crap happens to be running thru someones head at the moment, or about how people "cant wait to play again".

On that note, is there a way to ignore posts from annoying forum members?

[Fatboy5706]

Reason for staying on topic is because anyone just coming into this situation now has to wade thru 16 pages of posts, about 1/3 of which are actually worth reading. I'm reading this thread to check for updates as to the status of the PEQ server, not whatever random crap happens to be running thru someones head at the moment, or about how people "cant wait to play again".

On that note, is there a way to ignore posts from annoying forum members?

So since there are other people on this forums that "annoy you" you are going to try and make an example of me? i think the community is well aware of the situation at hand..... its been down for 2 weeks.... and yes can we get an annoying forum member filter so i can stop quoting this guy and telling him the truth?

and for anyone checking this thread for server status.... im gonna let you in on a little secret.... check the old website and the new website.... when those are up the game server will be up asap. (asap doesnt mean right then and there it means as soon as possible.)

[wheeljack]

On that note, is there a way to ignore posts from annoying forum members?

1) Click on their username in one of their posts
2) Select "View Public Profile"
3) Click "Add <handle> to Your Ignore List" above Contact Info (link is subtle)
4) Click "Save List"

[DeathSymbolic]

Reason for staying on topic is because anyone just coming into this situation now has to wade thru 16 pages of posts, about 1/3 of which are actually worth reading. I'm reading this thread to check for updates as to the status of the PEQ server, not whatever random crap happens to be running thru someones head at the moment, or about how people "cant wait to play again".

On that note, is there a way to ignore posts from annoying forum members?

.....Lawl. Fail.

[gaeorn]

We are currently waiting for the server to be rebooted. We expect this should happen within the next 4 or 5 hours. As soon as it is up, we will be working on getting the data off it and setting everything up under the new domain.

[Ikeren]

Should we avoid logging in and playing when the server is rebooted, before it is moved to the new domain?

[cavedude]

We are currently waiting for the server to be rebooted. We expect this should happen within the next 4 or 5 hours. As soon as it is up, we will be working on getting the data off it and setting everything up under the new domain.

Well, there is no guarantee we are getting rebooted today. He said he will try to get down there. Though, that usually means it'll happen.

Once it's back up, I'll disable the forums and everything and all data before that point will be intact.

[gaeorn]

Well, there is no guarantee we are getting rebooted today. He said he will try to get down there. Though, that usually means it'll happen.

Once it's back up, I'll disable the forums and everything and all data before that point will be intact.

That's why I said "should happen" instead of "will happen"... figured your earlier post about it merely being a chance to be rebooted today was enough. It really isn't my problem if someone reads more into it than I stated...

[Fatboy5706]

*maracas*
yaaay

[DeathSymbolic]

*maracas*
yaaay

...*Tamburines*

[Mghargh]

*maracas*
yaaay

** Bagpipes doing the "March of Cambreah" **

[Ikeren]

PEQ forums are up; hopefully that means server will follow shortly.
Hahaha, Board is now unavailable.

[SvenOlav]

Agreed we are breathing again thank you DR Cavedude :P