EQ2002: The Better Planes of Power [ROF2]

[Secrets]

Hey folks,

It's been a while since I had an EverQuest itch, let alone any sort of itch for EverQuest :)

I'd like to share with you all what I have been working on, and would appreciate some feedback regarding the concept.

What is EQ2002/BetterEQ?

EverQuest 2002: The Better Planes of Power is a new server similar to The Al'Kabor Project or Project2002 - but instead of recreating the era as it was in to a tee, I am allowing modern conveniences that are seen in servers such as Phinigel to exist.
Consider it a server that is aiming to recreate the feeling of 2002 EverQuest, but with modern conveniences that do not compromise the experience such as instancing, IP limits, mercenaries (at 10% effectiveness), the extended target window, and aggro meters.
One thing that will be removed, however, is the resting feature from modern EQ. This is the only feature I feel that is too extreme to keep in. The lack of resting would only

Why do we need this? What separates the server from Phinigel and what separates the server from TAKP/P2002?
Phinigel does not recreate the era and mechanics close enough that you would find the experience enjoyable or challenging, but TAKP/P2002's clients, 3-boxing limit, and contested environments leave out the casual player that just wants to play EverQuest through rose-tinted glasses using a single character.
To come to these conclusions, I ask myself, "is this a game I would like to play?" and make changes based on that. In a traditional Dungeons and Dragons sense, it is up to your game master to create the world and for you to embrace the experience within.

Policies, Rules and Regulations

Experience gain will be close, or similar, to the P99 rate of experience. The reason for this is the modern benefits of being able to progress all the time.


MacroQuest/Cheating/Automation is high treason. You will be executed for using exploits of any kind if found out. By executed, I mean de-leveled to 1 with all your gear nuked. There won't be punishments for guild drama as every raid zone will eventually be instanced. As such, there will be little rule enforcement outside of this.


Corpse runs will be disabled, however, res effects will be applied for full duration upon death above level 30 or higher, or rez - additionally, your mana pool and endurance pool will be set to 0 if level 30 or higher. I realize you all have lives, and some of you wives. Medding for 5 minutes won't kill you.


You choose when to have an experience bonus via the once-per-day 30 minute experience buff, located under your AAs. When this is depleted, you have to gain experience the old way for 24 hours.


The Vet AA that returns you to guild lobby functions once per day, and takes you to PoK; One of the most frustrating functions of classic EverQuest is that you will end up getting left behind on a raid or group as a melee, with no port out. This is also a great way of getting a level 1 to PoK to get a mercenary.


Mercenaries are enabled, however, they have 10% of the stats they normally do on live. This is in order to re-balance mercenaries and provide a method for soloing on melee classes. Or maybe you just need to fill a spot in your group; I am not your dad, I don't tell you what to do. There is a single mercenary vendor in PoK near the Main Bank. If you prefer a chick to follow you around, there's one at the Dark Bank, because girls are edgy.


High ZEM (zone experience modifier) zones, such as any zone that has a ZEM over 110, are now set to 110. This is to allow for variety in dungeon crawls and to prevent the situation where Highkeep is the only zone to play in.


IP limit of 1 character. This is to ensure you don't get carpal tunnel or frustration from boxing multiple characters. Unless you play a bard on P99, then you have other issues. Strictly speaking, this is one of the defining features of the server.


Instancing. We're all adults now, I don't think there is/was a person who used to play EverQuest that is still in highschool/college unless they saw their dad playing it at one point. Camping/socking NPCs is something I would like to keep in the past.


IP exemptions will not be handed out until the server is more established. I don't care that your mother/father/gentleman/wife/dog wants to play EverQuest, they can play it later.


All zones have been returned to their classic variants except for the Bazaar and Arena. This is just, in general, a good idea and adds to the experience. This includes highkeep.


The spells file used on this server is from the latest Rain of Fear client, in order to provide modern focus/worn support and general gameplay enhancements. In addition, spells from later eras, such as Salve and Discs are in. There are optional text file downloads that you may have to perform to play this server, more information in the MOTD when you log in.


Tradeskills function like live. Not much to say here. Less carpal tunnel.


Extended Target / Threat Meter is in.

Feedback
I would like to hear feedback, so please post in this topic with your experiences or if you have any suggestions. I am open to suggestions but very concrete on this plan for the game server.

Testing
There will be an open test this weekend based on what I have completed thus far. The server will be open from 12AM EST March 11th, 2017 until 12AM EST March 13th, 2017 and changes will be made based on your feedback.

Special thanks
Lastly, I would like to give thanks to the EQEmulator, PEQ and TAKP team and contributors for making this possible and for maintaining the codebase for all of these years. The emulator is in a shape it's never been before, and it's all thanks to you guys.

[jhiller]

And how long before you get bored of this and abandon it? I cannot believe anyone would play on one of your servers. No one's characters are safe. How many is this for you now? Any player can go back years and years ago and see all the threads of the abandoned servers you created. You just start them up, play with them a while and then either get pissed or bored of it and abandon. This is going to be like watching a rerun of "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray.

[The_Beast]

And how long before you get bored of this and abandon it? I cannot believe anyone would play on one of your servers. No one's characters are safe. How many is this for you now? Any player can go back years and years ago and see all the threads of the abandoned servers you created. You just start them up, play with them a while and then either get pissed or bored of it and abandon. This is going to be like watching a rerun of "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray.

You talk like these servers owe you something. They are not obligated to commit themselves to a lifetime of creating enjoyment for you, so enjoy them when they are around.
drama queens with no gratitude for anything.

[jhiller]

You talk like these servers owe you something. They are not obligated to commit themselves to a lifetime of creating enjoyment for you, so enjoy them when they are around.
drama queens with no gratitude for anything.

No, they do not owe me anything. But reading the fallout for the 20th time is entertaining. I will just pull up a chair and eat some popcorn. Hell why not, should be entertaining again....

/chomp_popcorn

[Secrets]

And how long before you get bored of this and abandon it? I cannot believe anyone would play on one of your servers. No one's characters are safe. How many is this for you now? Any player can go back years and years ago and see all the threads of the abandoned servers you created. You just start them up, play with them a while and then either get pissed or bored of it and abandon. This is going to be like watching a rerun of "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray.

I am not forcing you or anyone else to play here. I am providing an option for you to play EverQuest.

If you don't like it, or myself - don't play here.

[jhiller]

Not an issue, most will not. Also nice how you do not have to go through the normal server procedures to get a green server.

[Secrets]

Not an issue, most will not.

That's okay, I wasn't looking for your approval anyways.

The server is not green, that was an accident based on an old server I ran.

[jhiller]

Nice accident. Been like that a few days now. Cannot get the accident fixed?

[Secrets]

Nice accident. Been like that a few days now. Cannot get the accident fixed?

If I had control over the server listings, I would change it. Talk to Akkadius about it.

[jhiller]

I will quit pooping on your thread, but I do not think I will be the last one with an opinion on this.

[Secrets]

I will quit pooping on your thread, but I do not think I will be the last one with an opinion on this.

I don't expect you to be.

Thank you for being respectful.

[GRUMPY]

By the looks of this whole Server Discussion section, it's just not worth it to post a discussion on here and expect an intelligent
conversation. This server hasn't even started yet. Definately an eye opener for me. I am a big fan of classic era servers, so I
hope it goes well with you Secrets.

[Secrets]

By the looks of this whole Server Discussion section, it's just not worth it to post a discussion on here and expect an intelligent
conversation. This server hasn't even started yet. Definately an eye opener for me. I am a big fan of classic era servers, so I
hope it goes well with you Secrets.

Thank you; I hope it goes well too.
I look forward to anyone checking things out.

I have opened the server in a testing phase a bit early. Barring major exploits, I do not expect a wipe at this time, but be prepared in any case if something goes wrong.

[Akkadius]

The only thing that I have against Secrets is that he still hasn't seen Grandma's Boy after I've been telling him to see it for years.

[Secrets]

The only thing that I have against Secrets is that he still hasn't seen Grandma's Boy after I've been telling him to see it for years.

I even bought the movie and haven't watched it yet.

[GRUMPY]

Well, I'm on this server right now with an RoF2. (There's a link for files in motd when you log on 1st time), I can say the experience he
indicated in his post is bang on. Whether you like it or not, haha. Cranked up a warrior and I'm having a blast :)

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOTFwpA7n1M

[mjbcb0717]

U shall check it out cus why not ? I'm assuming it's not really tuned for soloing ?

[Kavanah]

Increase xp by 2x
Increase stats 2-3x
Increase pets 2x
Scale mobs for soloing w/ merc
I hate to be pessimistic but I highly doubt you see more than 10 people logged in at once.
It needs to be a solo server. GL!

[Secrets]

Increase xp by 2x
Increase stats 2-3x
Increase pets 2x
Scale mobs for soloing w/ merc
I hate to be pessimistic but I highly doubt you see more than 10 people logged in at once.
It needs to be a solo server. GL!

There's a few servers that exists like this on the list. Nagafen's Lair and Visions of Grandeur.

My goal is not to target their playerbase or any other niche but to provide an experience that I feel is enjoyable. If it's not for you, it's not for you. Simple as that.

[GRUMPY]

It needs to be a solo server. GL!

And yet, another player looking for his own selfish needs in a server. But hey, Kavanah, if you can convince a server
like P99 (with more than 10 players) to do a total revamp and put up one of those disneyland servers with a magic
carpet ride to the end game and drop a low level Quarm in your lap, then you will see more of those servers created.
But until then, you are going to see a lot more servers like these in the future. Even though EQEmu is not a
preservation of any EQ era, most people creating a server are doing it with their own visions, goals and preferences.
There is already plenty of what you are looking for on the list Kavanah and if none of them suits your needs, I
wish you luck in finding out exactly what you're not seeing there.

[jpyou127]

Awesome idea here!

[Kavanah]

And yet, another player looking for his own selfish needs in a server. But hey, Kavanah, if you can convince a server
like P99 (with more than 10 players) to do a total revamp and put up one of those disneyland servers with a magic
carpet ride to the end game and drop a low level Quarm in your lap, then you will see more of those servers created.
But until then, you are going to see a lot more servers like these in the future. Even though EQEmu is not a
preservation of any EQ era, most people creating a server are doing it with their own visions, goals and preferences.
There is already plenty of what you are looking for on the list Kavanah and if none of them suits your needs, I
wish you luck in finding out exactly what you're not seeing there.

He asked for us to play it and give feedback. I did it very simply and voiced my concern and you're going to be an asshat and attack me? You give a stupid ass strawman argument with your a priori based on MY a posteriori. GTFO of here man. Worthless internet bully.

Also, your comparison of P99 to this server is the absolute most braindead thing I've ever seen.

[Excuses]

He asked for us to play it and give feedback. I did it very simply and voiced my concern and you're going to be an asshat and attack me? You give a stupid ass strawman argument with your a priori based on MY a posteriori. GTFO of here man. Worthless internet bully.

Also, your comparison of P99 to this server is the absolute most braindead thing I've ever seen.

I am sorry to butt into something that does not warrant a 3rd party, or another needle, but could you please tell me where he was bullying you? I am pretty concerned you think that is bullying as you were entirely rude back to him.

Please grow up.

I think the server idea is good, but a little too late. I love me some old school but i have done it quite a bit.

[Secrets]

Server is now migrated to new hosting (thanks Akkadius for the swift turnaround on getting something set up!) and is now in an open testing phase. This phase will last indefinitely, and the server will remain up during this time. There are no plans for wipes at this time.

This server has a discord server which you can join by visiting this link or by adding it to your list of discord servers via this link: https://discord.gg/HDrfnaG

Information about the server is also provided on discord in the #info channel, and future patchnotes will be posted in the #changelist channel. There is also a bridge to global OOC, which is one-way by design (Ingame -> Discord).

[sunbeam]

I am sorry to butt into something that does not warrant a 3rd party, or another needle, but could you please tell me where he was bullying you? I am pretty concerned you think that is bullying as you were entirely rude back to him.

Please grow up.

I think the server idea is good, but a little too late. I love me some old school but i have done it quite a bit.

He wasn't rude to him at all.

And ... Secrets is it?

Do this.

Using your intended rule set up, run a Vulak encounter. Find willing participants, zap them to 60, give them the usual gear short of NToV you see listed on the P1999 gearing lists.

Then see how many people it takes you to do it with the way you want to run the server. Same with Avatar, etc.

Dunno maybe things work different if 20 people show up with Cleric mercs, but I'm pretty sure 20 people at level 60 with that kind of gear aren't doing Vulak.

See this is the thing I'm not sure you guys (meaning everyone who sets up these kinds of servers) is getting, and it's pretty obvious.

Starting with Velious there was an order of magnitude ramp up in the hit points of these raid mobs. You can go a long way in Kunark, doing what I call 32k mobs.

But in Velious the hp's go through the roof, and you have to keep things going a lot longer. And that means a sheer number of people, particularly healers, than I think an EMU can reasonably expect to have a bout of nostalgia.

Now you might say players can't expect to do every mob in the game. Nope, sorry point is non-negotiable. I want my character to get the lovely Vulak loot I always dreamed of.

And it better be doable with the number of people that I could expect to be able to gather to try it.

And that goes for Ssra Temple, Emperor Seru, Vex Thal, and PoP up to and including Quarm.

No one wants it to be "easy." Just doable with the number of chars you can expect to be able to get involved.

And if that's not possible? Well take a look at the EMU server list. There are a number of servers that are extremely low pop, where people occasionally log on, that are locked in that Velious hold pattern. And will be for life frankly.

If you get to the 150 to 200 people the TAKP project (though they allow 3 boxing) has on, maybe you can get enough people to move in the same direction at the same time to make your vision work.

You get a fairly successful EMU server pop of 10 to 20 unique players at any one time, and it isn't going to do squat. And will see players go inactive once they hit the Velious wall.

[GRUMPY]

He asked for us to play it and give feedback.

Sorry, but if you've actually played on this server, you would of seen me on there. I've been on it since the box
was turned on and soloing a warrior with a tank merc, right from the get go. Bullying is not my game, but Anti-BS is.
Several of us like this server and have fun on it. But I'm not the type that would drive by a brand new restaurant,
whip my car over just to walk in and say "I'm not ever eating here". Some people do that on these forums.

[Excuses]

He wasn't rude to him at all.


You obviously didn't read it at all.

GRUMPY didn't deserve that blast, period.

[sunbeam]

You obviously didn't read it at all.

GRUMPY didn't deserve that blast, period.

So it's he said/he said is it?

Kavanah has exactly 2 posts on this thread.

This was his first:

"Increase xp by 2x
Increase stats 2-3x
Increase pets 2x
Scale mobs for soloing w/ merc
I hate to be pessimistic but I highly doubt you see more than 10 people logged in at once.
It needs to be a solo server. GL!"

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Maybe you are the one who needs to go back and read that? Then Grumpy's response?

I'd actually say Grumpy is the one who should apologize to Kavanah, whose response was entirely accurate, based solely on this thread.

But since I'm rereading this thread, going back to the first page, jhiller wrote:

"And how long before you get bored of this and abandon it? I cannot believe anyone would play on one of your servers. No one's characters are safe. How many is this for you now? Any player can go back years and years ago and see all the threads of the abandoned servers you created. You just start them up, play with them a while and then either get pissed or bored of it and abandon. This is going to be like watching a rerun of "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray."

So what's the story here? I've actually encountered this in my own EMU experience. Is this the MO?

And if it is, don't you think this needs to be known by players before they invest time (and we are all EMU players and know what "time" means) in this server?

Who the hell wants to spend time camping some mob for a Circlet of Shadows or something, then find the next day that the server has gone away?

Actually I'm aware of you get what you pay for. If someone makes a server for the first time, people like it and play, but the dev finds he doesn't have the time it really takes, or his life has changed and he can't do it anymore...

No biggie. Happens. Hope things go well for you.

But if someone starts them up, over and over, and the same pattern plays out?

That's something I want to know up front.

[Maze_EQ]

If secrets is working here, I'm gonna make a bard.

Can we kite like ye olde days?

[jpyou127]

The cool thing about Secrets is that he is also one of the Devs on TAKP which means the content should be really accurate for what he developing. I am enjoying the server a lot!

Play there if you want to or do not play there, but I would suggest stop hijacking the thread as I, and I am sure others are getting tired of scrolling through the posts that have nothing whatsoever to do with the actual server itself.

[mjbcb0717]

If secrets is working here, I'm gonna make a bard.

Can we kite like ye olde days?


Likewise swarm kite OP!

[mjbcb0717]

Also make a spell file with old school spell effects and you'll have me hooked.

[daerath]

If you're instancing zones, why have a limit of 1 login per IP?

[Secrets]

If you're instancing zones, why have a limit of 1 login per IP?

Case and point: Project 1999. Players cannot be gentlemen about spawns, and it is more headache than it is typically worth to police players.

That, and I would like to do lockout style stuff with instances.

IE; a prompt for an entire guild appears after 15 or more players from the same guild are in a zone. The players enter an instance, and kill Lord Nagafen.
Each individual character who has access to the instance gets a lockout timer applied to the zone.
You must be in the guild to join the instance, and the lockout applies even if you are offline.

Upon defeating Nagafen (or the first boss in general), the players get a 'successful lockout' timer. This applies to all parties that are assigned to the instance, and they cannot join a new instance until their lockout timer expires.

[mjbcb0717]

I like this will all named always be up in said zones that are instances ?

[daerath]

Case and point: Project 1999. Players cannot be gentlemen about spawns, and it is more headache than it is typically worth to police players.

That, and I would like to do lockout style stuff with instances.

IE; a prompt for an entire guild appears after 15 or more players from the same guild are in a zone. The players enter an instance, and kill Lord Nagafen.
Each individual character who has access to the instance gets a lockout timer applied to the zone.
You must be in the guild to join the instance, and the lockout applies even if you are offline.

Upon defeating Nagafen (or the first boss in general), the players get a 'successful lockout' timer. This applies to all parties that are assigned to the instance, and they cannot join a new instance until their lockout timer expires.

Ah, so in this case instancing is for bosses? What about zones with too few players? Can they request an instance? Can a raid (of people not in the same guild) request an instance?

The lock appears upon killing the first boss? So is the idea that the limit (15 players in your example, but whatever the # ends up being for that zone) is the minimum required to kill any boss in a zone that would enable a lock?

Can they ignore the prompt? Will each zone have a different player count for instancing (I'd think so. NToV and Fear are a tad different)?

What if they kill a boss in a zone but don't have the required # to be given an instance (or they ignore the prompt to go to an instance)? If they kill a boss do they still get a lockout (that would affect getting an instance later on)? Does the lockout also affect the non-instanced zone? Kind of a, "You already killed me, so <*POOF* you're back a zone-in>" effect?

Still seems easier to just let groups (regardless of guild membership) request an instance of any zone. That eliminates the need to police IPs because, like, don't let those people in your instance.

[Secrets]

Ah, so in this case instancing is for bosses? What about zones with too few players? Can they request an instance? Can a raid (of people not in the same guild) request an instance?

The lock appears upon killing the first boss? So is the idea that the limit (15 players in your example, but whatever the # ends up being for that zone) is the minimum required to kill any boss in a zone that would enable a lock?

Can they ignore the prompt? Will each zone have a different player count for instancing (I'd think so. NToV and Fear are a tad different)?

What if they kill a boss in a zone but don't have the required # to be given an instance (or they ignore the prompt to go to an instance)? If they kill a boss do they still get a lockout (that would affect getting an instance later on)? Does the lockout also affect the non-instanced zone? Kind of a, "You already killed me, so <*POOF* you're back a zone-in>" effect?

Still seems easier to just let groups (regardless of guild membership) request an instance of any zone. That eliminates the need to police IPs because, like, don't let those people in your instance.

It's pretty much identical to EQ2's instancing design with guild restrictions instead of group composition restrictions. That's one thing that EQ2 actually did right. Wish there was a writeup somewhere of that.

Zones with too few players and no raid targets will not be instanced.

Raids of players not in the same guild cannot request an instance. Pickup raids will not be able to do content unless they are in the same guild.

They can ignore the prompt and that's the only thing that will be contested. I feel as though possibly guilds are restrictive in a way, so maybe they won't be barred to just guilds.

The issue I want to avoid is selling loot rights to NPCs in instances, which guild affiliation will typically solve.

I like this will all named always be up in said zones that are instances ?

Only raid targets will be up. The other targets will be randomized.

[Maze_EQ]

Secrets, what if I de-guild and re-guild to bypass the guild restriction if I duped 100,000 plat to buy my cloak of flames?

[NostalgiaEQ]

Also make a spell file with old school spell effects and you'll have me hooked.

This is easy to do, there are automatically old spell effects if you are using files pulled from the original eq disk.

It appears few if any servers that secrets has started are still around so don't go into this expecting your character will last long.

[GRUMPY]

It appears few if any servers that secrets has started are still around so don't go into this expecting your character will last long.

"It appears" ?
Nostaligia, you insult people's intelligence. Your statement was an obvious deliberate dig at something you know
nothing about. You've proved that in a lot of your past posts.

[jpyou127]

Haha Grumpy! Wish these boards had a like button!

[NostalgiaEQ]

I don't think its a "dig" if you say about an entrepreneur that they have had multiple kickstarters and none of their businesses are still around. And here is another kickstarter.

[Secrets]

I don't think its a "dig" if you say about an entrepreneur that they have had multiple kickstarters and none of their businesses are still around. And here is another kickstarter.

The difference is you're paying for a kickstarter.

[NostalgiaEQ]

Time is money. We just want you to be respectful of it.

[Secrets]

Time is money. We just want you to be respectful of it.

In the time you wrote that post, Bill Gates became $40k richer.

If someone is using their spare time to play EverQuest, then likely they know how to manage their time already and don't need a forum post telling them how or when to waste it.

Time is money indeed.

[haynar]

Time is money. We just want you to be respectful of it.

Not Classic.

[daerath]

In the time you wrote that post, Bill Gates became $40k richer.

If someone is using their spare time to play EverQuest, then likely they know how to manage their time already and don't need a forum post telling them how or when to waste it.

Time is money indeed.

But Secrets, you're totally wrong dude. Let me break it down for you.

Time = Money. (duh)

Your Server = Not Your Server. You may think it's yours because you built it, modded it, and are the sole person paying the bills to keep it running, but it's totally not yours. Your server owners (aka, your players) require you to keep the server running in perpetuity because of their colossal investment of free time.

Wait. It isn't free time. It's time, and time is definitely not free. Well... It is free, but there is a limited amount of it so it's precious.... WHATEVER.

Time = money. Time = money. Time = money.

Ok. I'm back on track.

You have to capitulate and do everything your players ask of you, up to and including making your server (ahem, *THEIR SERVER*) super easy and with content consumable at the fastest possible rate. This will enable the maximum possible return on their time (aka, investment). However, this means you are required to churn out new content every 30 days or so as that is roughly when your server owner's ROI will begin to decrease.

I hope this helps. =P

[Maze_EQ]

Time is money. We just want you to be respectful of it.


Hmm, Secrets has been part of multiple servers, yes.

When is the last time you've contributed...well....anything to the project?

Other than modifying spirit of cheetah....

[GRUMPY]

Just to hollar out from another end of the stick here, the server project I am working on is a hobby for me and any expenses
involved with it are my own responsibility. Fortunately, for me, there is no expenses, just time and effort at a computer.
Even if I was going to put it up for public play here, there would still be no expenses. For those who WILL have a major
population, then they would be looking at paying for hosting with a decent data connection, but in all reality,
new servers would have a lot of work to do in attracting that kind of player base trying to keep them all happy.
Right now, I have 150 Mbps fibreplus internet connection at home. That is for my everyday internet use, not a "hobby expense".
IF and when I decide to put my project up for public play, it won't be aimed at a major population. Again, reality check, that
population is not out there for new servers, unless you're intentionally trying to be competetive within the existing player base.
In the end, my internet connection would easily handle 150 players with no issues, but it would never see that many.
So for myself, Time = Enjoyable Hobby (without the need to cater to a player with a wallet) Hence, the content
and enjoyment of it, is all about achieving the goals of what I enjoy myself. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any point.
Sacrificing all that, just to "skillup" your population count ? No Thank You.

[ChaosSlayerZ]

My 2 plat worth:

The entire Emu project is essentially an Experiment, and in experiment there are no guarantees - you want to join in - be my guest, but you are on your own.

Pretty much 90% of of all Emu servers are short term project that do "this one little feature" that Live didn't had, call it custom and run it. Players join in, get their 2-4 months fun, get Cloak of Flames for 500th time, kill Quarm for 3456789768th time, get bored and go join another "custom" server. At this point the admin probably also tired of it, or got a new idea, and whole thing starts from the scratch.

In what I observed in my 10 years here - that's very typical.

Obviously there are long stay servers that stick to their vision, like P99, Stormhaven, THF etc. Bit they are a few, and if players wants something different, they have to to turn to the experimental servers that may or may not be there tomorrow and it is the risk they take together with the server admin.

There is of course a counter point to this. EQ is an MMO and not a casual Candy Crash game. You don't just log in for an hour, or play for 2 days and then just casualy come back in 2 years and keep playing another random mission. People do put a lot of effort into building up a character and do want that character to be there when they return, so when sever puts up great promises and then goes poof in 2 months people do get upset.


So putting 2 points together my conclusion is:
- we all want a long term server but shit happens
- If you don't want to take your chances stick with the server that been around for a while
- if you think that server admin made too many promises in the past couldn't keep - vote with your legs - don't play there and ignore him, but I don't think you should bash a person on a forums whenever he offers new ideas.

[GRUMPY]

Thank You Mr Chaos for spelling it out like that. Nothing can be closer to reality. Well put.

[mjbcb0717]

I like the idea servers fun but wish xp rate was more in the era the servers up to and not 1999 don't get to Play long so takes forever lol

[GRUMPY]

On EQ2002, exp is far from slower "99" style. Secrets has a "few" modern perks to compensate for that.
Example- LOTD AA with 1 hour cool off timer. (available at level 1)

[NostalgiaEQ]

Hmm, Secrets has been part of multiple servers, yes.

When is the last time you've contributed...well....anything to the project?

Other than modifying spirit of cheetah....

I have been working on my own server for months now, not only that but if anyone wants copies of my databases or client they can get that from me. So I am contributing.

It really doesn't sound like any of you have run a small buisness, I have my own buisness and it is a matter of customer service. You will learn it really quick, even just selling a unique product on ebay. You can easily say "eh I'm just going to close up shop, I don't owe them anything I am the one paying the bills". Your regular customers are going to think a little different and they won't help spread the word if you start a new buisness I can promise you that.

Closing a server is like if the federal reserve stopped the monetary system. All that money you worked so hard for your entire life would be worthless. This is less drastic obviously but it is the same principle, you shutting down a server makes everything people worked for on their charecters now worthless.

If you don't like that responsibility then keep the server private....LET ALONE advertise it!

[rudeboy88]

I was wondering whose this was when I saw it on the login listing, sounds awesome

Pras Secrets server :)

http://i.imgur.com/JF4s4XV.png

[Maze_EQ]

Gonna play dis tonight.

Can you confirm bard can aoe kite?

[Secrets]

Gonna play dis tonight.

Can you confirm bard can aoe kite?

Bards should be able to AOE kite, yes.

[GRUMPY]

Closing a server is like if the federal reserve stopped the monetary system

You have a lot of growing up to do. It's so obvious now, your issues go a lot deeper. Many servers have closed down
and you haven't attacked them like this. You're getting away with alot of trashing on this forum and I really wish
someone would get something in place to prevent this crap. But don't worry Nostalgia, karma follows everyone around.

[jpyou127]

All this negativity from Nostalgia, and from what I can tell he has only been around since September of 2016. Personally, I wish you would just go work on your server Nostalgia and be quiet since a lot of the people who keep chiming in on your words are people who have done deep development here and your using the tech they have made. Is this a small business, nope its an emulator project that no one makes money from. Get busy doing your own thing and leave others alone and good luck getting anyone to come play on your master piece.

And it really looks like your creating allies here, people are starting not to like you at all so you might want to change your signature.

[Maze_EQ]

BARDS CANNOT AOE KITE.

I REPEAT. See above.

[mjbcb0717]

To much powah!!!!

[Maze_EQ]

To much powah!!!!

My eq2002 hardon went away and currently making #1 necro

[daerath]

You have a lot of growing up to do. It's so obvious now, your issues go a lot deeper. Many servers have closed down
and you haven't attacked them like this. You're getting away with alot of trashing on this forum and I really wish
someone would get something in place to prevent this crap. But don't worry Nostalgia, karma follows everyone around.

Come on man. The collapse of an entire economic system that would impact billions of people is totally equivalent to shutting down an EQ Emu server.

[Destron1318]

Did Secrets shut this down because of the upcoming TLP server? Say it ain't so...

[cilution0]

Also wondering where this server went.

[GRUMPY]

Nobody has popped up and said it's gone yet. Unexpected down time is not abnormal for servers, so it could be the case.

[cilution0]

I can't seem to join the Discord linked earlier in the thread either.

[Secrets]

If I am being honest, with Daybreak's announcement (which is pretty much identical to my server's end goal), there is no point in continuing here when they will provide the one missing void that this server was hoping to fill.

So as such, I have shut this down. If anyone is interested in the code changes and database changes, or wants to make a "Dad Server" based on my work, please let me know.

I will be working on improving the TAKP windows client henceforth - something that is in no danger of going anywhere and is not run by myself.

[cilution0]

What Daybreak announcement?

[Secrets]

What Daybreak announcement?

https://www.everquest.com/news/new-progression-server-2017-planes-of-power

[cilution0]

Meh, your server would have been better. Their "true box" means there will still be plenty of boxers. It is pay to win with exp potions and what not during the level race. They're including Ykesha/ldon, not stopping at PoP. Plus, it isn't until summer! Are you sure you don't want to keep yours going? I doubt you'd lose many players to it.

[GRUMPY]

If I am being honest, with Daybreak's announcement (which is pretty much identical to my server's end goal), there is no point in continuing here when they will provide the one missing void that this server was hoping to fill.

So as such, I have shut this down. If anyone is interested in the code changes and database changes, or wants to make a "Dad Server" based on my work, please let me know.

I will be working on improving the TAKP windows client henceforth - something that is in no danger of going anywhere and is not run by myself.

Yes, I would definately be interested in the code and db changes. You've done some kickass work on that server.
A "Dad Server" could definately be doable, or even an uncle server, haha.

[cilution0]

I bet their servers are still totally broken in terms of monk damage, pet damage, etc. anyway. Out of era drops. New zones. It just isn't what it needs to be to really appeal to my nostalgia.

[jpyou127]

Secrets, I would love a copy to setup!

[Maze_EQ]

Ooh, I wonder if the heroic character dupe still works, gonna go try since it's well, free.

[sunbeam]

Hmmm always liked doing the LDoN missions (of course I wasn't grinding them like some people did).

For me it was cool to do something approximating a "dungeon crawl" (well sorta), as opposed to what in the end was the same thing, no matter what zone, as pulling crocs in oasis back to your group for hours and hours. Well for daily groups anyway.

Plus you didn't have to go more than 2 zones, if that, to actually start doing something, as opposed to getting people to go, and getting them to Chardok or something.

[Destron1318]

Loved this style of server. Hope someone gets this "dad server" up and running.

[GRUMPY]

Yes, I had a couple toons going on it myself. I got a nice dedicated box to put it on and run it if Secrets will let me go that route.

[Maze_EQ]

That'd be tits :) I would also run it if he wants.

[GRUMPY]

Ok, I'll run the binaries, you run the DB :P

[Maze_EQ]

dat latency doe.

[GRUMPY]

me no slo, me bash ping

[mjbcb0717]

Fix bard kiting I'll come back then :)

[GRUMPY]

Fix bard kiting I'll come back then :)

#aggrozone would be great for kiting. (grin)

[mjbcb0717]

Love that command. If it gets fixed I'm teaming up with maze and we will pillage youre zones and rape you're mobs

[Maze_EQ]

Love that command. If it gets fixed I'm teaming up with maze and we will pillage youre zones and rape you're mobs

I don't want any part of a group that can't distinguish between your and you're.

[GRUMPY]

Sure, take my wife if you want, but don't touch my coffee.

[mjbcb0717]

Dont be that guy :( i'm to lazy to stop my phone from auto correcting me I just go with whatever it puts.

[GRUMPY]

I don't want any part of a group that can't distinguish between your and you're.

The only difference between your and you're is "Your Nuts!" and "You're nuts"

[mjbcb0717]

All the love I gave you on pryme server this is how you repay me :( much sad

[Maze_EQ]

All the love I gave you on pryme server this is how you repay me :( much sad

<3 u bae, chill ur vagina.

[mjbcb0717]

<3 u bae, chill ur vagina.

It's ok bae I'm just hungry

[cilution0]

Well, let me know if one of you guys get a clone of this up and running so I can resume playing Ditz. :p

[atomic]

Secrets your too famous to give up. I'd also like a copy as i know your work is elite.

[Secrets]

I have PM'd the database to both GRUMPY and atomic.

GRUMPY seems really interested in keeping everything going as it was, and he played on the server.

atomic seems like a generally cool person, so he received a copy as well. Feel free to integrate the database into any of your work.

[GRUMPY]

I have PM'd the database to both GRUMPY and atomic.

GRUMPY seems really interested in keeping everything going as it was, and he played on the server.

atomic seems like a generally cool person, so he received a copy as well. Feel free to integrate the database into any of your work.

Thank You so much Secrets. (I tried to PM, but you're not receiving).
I will get this up and running as soon as possible and hopefully keep your goals moving forward. :)

[atomic]

Thanks Secrets, Grumpy got it running much fast then me, hes fast.

Thanks for the nice comments about me as i'm pretty unknown i think.

[Excuses]

So now theres 3 versions?

[GRUMPY]

So now theres 3 versions?

I'm just carrying on with the server in the same direction as Secrets was. It's been up all day and staying up on
a permanent basis, regardless of population. Been working on little odds and ends today, plugging away, haha

[NostalgiaEQ]

Good luck guys. 3 heads are better than 1; atomic grumpy and secrets may want to work together to make it great.

[GRUMPY]

Secrets isn't doing it anymore, that's why I have it now. There isn't "3" of them, just this one. Atomic got a copy to do his own thing.

[atomic]

I decided not to put my server (this version) up because Grumpy managed to get his up real quick but now i cant find his. Has it been renamed or am i blind.

I've been working on my own project and actually having fun learning it all. Feel free to come have a look. Registered Server (Time of Destiny) its not massive but it has a few custom NPC and scripts.

[The_Beast]

He took that 2002 server down awhile back, it sat with 0 population, but I do believe he put up his own server which has been sitting there with 0 pop for awhile.
http://www.eqemulator.org/index.php?pageid=serverinfo&worldid=2726

[atomic]

thanks beast for quick reply. i'd been looking for a few days.

[The_Beast]

Sometimes, I think that page with the active server list (with descriptions, etc), goes unnoticed by many. Not so much the players, but anyone
working on their own project doing research on what's out there, (and how it's doing)

[cilution0]

EQFrontier is Grumpy's new one. I started there, but didn't see anyone else. It'd be fun to play there if others do.

[mjbcb0717]

I check server list daily...for new or old servers that were fun. What I hate when there is no description and it's just unregistered :( least give us a website or some small info on you're server. I played on EQF a few days with no luck of anyone showing up legit servers are just not in anymore.

[Titus Pullo]

If I am being honest, with Daybreak's announcement (which is pretty much identical to my server's end goal), there is no point in continuing here when they will provide the one missing void that this server was hoping to fill.

So as such, I have shut this down. If anyone is interested in the code changes and database changes, or wants to make a "Dad Server" based on my work, please let me know.

I will be working on improving the TAKP windows client henceforth - something that is in no danger of going anywhere and is not run by myself.

Hi, I'm currently trying to make a PoP server in the RoF2 client. There are many similarities about what was described in this thread and what I'm hoping to do. I'm completely new to this, so it would just be a personal/LAN server for the foreseeable future. Perhaps way down the road if I felt comfortable enough that it was worth making available to other players, I would do so.

Secrets, I'm hoping you still have this database available and are willing to share it. I've played around a bit with EOC 2.0 and SQL, but any resources I can grab to give myself a head start on this would be greatly appreciated!

[Dogmai9]

I don't understand why this level of toxicity is tolerated here. I see people all the time say, "were all adults here" but several people act like children.

[Titus Pullo]

Oops, did I say something offensive? If so I apologize. I was just quoting a two year old post where he said he might share the work he had done since he was going to move on to other things, and I was hoping that offer still stands.

[Uleat]

I'm not sure what that was about, either...

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