To all anti-legiters...

[Aragain]

SHUT THE HELL UP!

Ok, maybe don't shut the hell up indefintely but...

We already heard your pointless ramblings, and you are getting absolutely nowhere, just making very bad rap for yourself, and the EQemu itself when a newbie comes buy and hears only negative comments about the emulator, its devs, and the commited people of this communty who give up house and rent to host servers for us.

EQemu was created to be an alternative EverQuest, as well as a good learning experience, as far as I know at least. It doesn't need "nae sayers" putting it down like you guys are.

Again, you are getting nowhere, we do NOT care that you do not like un-legit servers, you are entitled to your opinions, but you have already ranted about them enough, we DO care that you are dissing any server that has views opposite of yours, and tries to accuretly recreate EQ, which requires a great deal of coding, and has already made this community strive to become much much better.

If you ever played Winter's Roar, you would understand, that it is, and will be more so in the future, legit servers that will drive the community to make a better EQemu.

Now, with that said...

You are well entitled to your opinions, but enough is enough, your only getting yourself bashed, and then bashing back, and then getting bashed more. Sorry for continuing the bashing, but the more you understand that your getting nowhere with your ***ANNOYING and NEGATIVE*** attitude, the less you will ramble about them.

And with your all pointless remarks, you still havent made any valid points as to why the EQemu community should dump everything they believe in and work soley on un-legit servers, which is the vibe im getting from you, that everyone should do just so, and your trying to slowly twist and bend their minds to join your side.

If im wrong, please respond. I'm not trying to offend you too much, but you really need to give it up.

By all means, be Pro-non-legit, but do not be anti-eqemu.

((Hope that made some sense, I know I can sound like an idiot when trying to get my point across too, but seriosuly, think on it))

[Vermea]

::Raises his hand::

I second that motion.

[Bardboy]

Aragain,

I was going to say something, but Im glad you said it for me.

To the Complainers,

Please(you know who you are), You've made your point clear. Stop with the rants. thank you.

[devn00b]

I totaly agree!

atm the main need for legit type servers is bugs that you wouldnt find on a #summonitem #level server...with those servers you find bugs with those commands and combat...but not quests, merchants ect. and these are all things that need to be worked on.

what i say to those peeps that bitch about it is, you want a #summonitem server RUN YOUR OWN.

your welcome to yer opinion but in the end its upto the person running the server what they want to do, you dont like it dont play there. you can run your own then do WHAT YOU WANT with it.

you can't supress how we feel about it.

it's okay though, i'm losing faith in both the emulator and the developers. i'm beginning to think that half the server mods are thirteen year olds.....they certainly act like it, absolutely no maturity whatsoever.

do you honestly think people are going to want to fool with legit servers when their characters get stuck in zones and there are no gms there to pull them out? do you honestly think people are going to fool with legit servers if they can't summon their own gear? and do you honestly think people are going to fool with legit servers when their characters are wiped every time the servers go down?

going legit is going to doom this project. you're blind if you don't see that. once people realize that for 13 bucks a month they can get everything "legit" EQEmu has to offer, and much much much more, they will leave for good.

but hey, it's your project. you go right ahead and flush all your hard work down the toilet.

[Deris]

I don't understand why anyone would want to play on a legit EQemu server. The real EQ servers are much better for such matters, and they provide quality customer service for users. I played EQ for over 2 years, and had a high level warrior on Lanys Tyvl. Before I quit, I raided just about every spot imaginable in Kunark, Velious, and Luclin. People just don't realize how much time it takes to accomplish things on legit servers. It practically devours your life. The fact EQ revolves around grouping makes solo play impossible, thus forcing you to spend HOURS searching for goups -- and forcefully remaining in them out of fear on not being able to find another if you log out. This is a game designed to devour time. Games are designed to be f-u-n, howver. Non-legit allows you to have fun in the EQ world without living your life in a MMORPG. You're in the real world now.

Why are pro-legit people getting so offended to opinions (which are mostly true, sadly)? I think that anti-legit people have the right to express there thoughts as much as they want.

[Trumpcard]

I agree completely.. I think non legit has it's place, my complaint is still the same, if there are hordes out there that want this server type, why hasnt someone stepped forward and created a persistant Non Legit ?

So far, all Ive seen is Rag. belittling the servers that have decided to go legit, and throwing out apocayltic messages about our doom because every single one of us doesnt want to run non legit servers.


Frankly, I'm tired of the whole discussion, its pointless... If you dont like the way the server admins do it, dont play. END OF STORY.

[Aragain]

you can't supress how we feel about it.

As I said, you are entitled to your opinion, but there is a point when such rants are unnecissary, and annoying.

it's okay though, i'm losing faith in both the emulator and the developers. i'm beginning to think that half the server mods are thirteen year olds.....they certainly act like it, absolutely no maturity whatsoever.

Your opinion, but I can understand that some servers are like that, everyone carries out their business differently.

do you honestly think people are going to want to fool with legit servers when their characters get stuck in zones and there are no gms there to pull them out? do you honestly think people are going to fool with legit servers if they can't summon their own gear? and do you honestly think people are going to fool with legit servers when their characters are wiped every time the servers go down?

going legit is going to doom this project. you're blind if you don't see that. once people realize that for 13 bucks a month they can get everything "legit" EQEmu has to offer, and much much much more, they will leave for good.

First of all, you should realize that people are already "fooling" around with legit servers even though these problems exist. And EQemu has only grown since legit servers first started appearing.

Wipes are all part of the growth process, ever play EQ beta? Tell me why people stuck through all of that, and then continued to actually pay for EQ even after its very rough start. People will stick with what they want, some have more faith and drive then others however, and once all the bugs are straightened, it will just be exactly an alternative to EQ, and for those who want change, it will be so much more, as many servers have already made it.

Now, of course EQ is getting outdated, but it is still, in the end, a good game to play. The reason I quit EQlive was becuase they were double charging my credit card for about 6 months, and refused to do anything about it, and since its a debit card, there are no laws to help me get my money back. I love EQ, i dislike SOE, Im willing to do what I can to help EQemu become even better, as probably 98% of this community will probably tell you as well.

I could probably keep talking, but it would be useless, I see you are very strong about your opinions, so I will leave it there.

Of course, on top of everything is, EQemu for the player base, is completely free.

Well, hope that got ya thinking, I just don't like all this fuss about how bad EQemu is, when you really have no ground to complain. It kind of makes me sad to see people feel so poorly for the project, and having absolutely no reasoning for it.

Perhaps if you had valid reasoning for being so "assholish" towards the whole ordeal, but I have yet to see any.

Also, I would rather you stayed, and worked in the development in creating a great Non-legit server. As you seem to feel so strongly about it. Instead, you are going to come here, diss EQemu itself, and then leave? It is like you were trying to pick a quick fight, and now that you can't win, your leaving.

It makes no sense, /shrug.

Well anyway, you are your own person, do what you may, but do not be too stubborn to open your eyes and ears, and consider all of the facts, and possibilities, before going off and angering a community of people who have done nothing against you in the first place.

[Aragain]

Oh, and legit server does not necissarily mean, EQlive clone.

There have already been great servers created just using the EQ engine, that were in no way EQ.

You can change just about everything besides the graphics.

[Edgar1898]

you can't supress how we feel about it.
We??? :roll: I dont see anyone else complaining in here. If the overwhelming majority of people want to play non-legit servers, then where are they? I see 15 people supporting legit servers and 1 person supporting the non-legit server arguement.

it's okay though, i'm losing faith in both the emulator and the developers

You think we give a shit what you think? Most people we will try to help, but people like you are the people that we do not want or need. You leach off the good will of others and then complain about it.

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to help someone who uses our servers and then complains about the manner in which we provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you put up a server and do what you think people want. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."


do you honestly think people are going to fool with legit servers if they can't summon their own gear?

You dont know anything about legit servers. You never could summon items on Guildwars and yet more people played on this server than any other server. (during the same time period)


going legit is going to doom this project. you're blind if you don't see that. once people realize that for 13 bucks a month they can get everything "legit" EQEmu has to offer, and much much much more, they will leave for good

Im beginning to think that you are a sony spy sent here to cause dissent. Your wasting everyones time and patience with your bitching and moaning.

but hey, it's your project. you go right ahead and flush all your hard work down the toilet.

If your just going to complain go complain somewhere else, noone gives a damn what you think.

Bottom line: If you post about this nonsense again and you are here just to complain and bitch, your post will be moderated. Other people dont need to waste their time and patience to respond to your idiotic remarks. This is last warning. Do not come onto the EQEMU forums and continue to disrupt.

[Aragain]

Im beginning to think that you are a sony spy sent here to cause dissent.

Haha! I honestly got that feeling when this all started, SOE's "new and improved" plan to bring down the Emu.

Well you failed! Muahahah! We are too resiliant you bastards! And smart too!

Hah!

/cough /cough

I'm done.

QUOTE: We??? I dont see anyone else complaining in here. If the overwhelming majority of people want to play non-legit servers, then where are they? I see 15 people supporting legit servers and 1 person supporting the non-legit server arguement.


you might want to look again there ace.

as for starting a fight, and then leaving,.......wasnt' my intention of starting a fight. i'm just trying to open your eyes. i'm not the only one who feels this way. i just happen to be the only one who seems to want to do anything about it. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST LEGIT PLAY. but here comes the question......

how can you possiblly consider legitimate play when at the present time there is absolutely no way to play legitimately?

i would REALLY appreciate an honest answer to the question, ......other than "STFU AND LEAVE" or, like the response i got from a server op today "GO FUCK YOURSELF"............a server op.........

all i want is an answer. and "we don't have to anwer anything to you" is not an answer my friends......

it's a question you should really think about. and do try to stop ignoring the posters who share my views, as you've done to at least once in this post.

[Trumpcard]

Here's the honest answer, and this is where this discussion is going to end. It's a beaten horse.

Guild wars was a legit, and very successful server. People raved about how much they enjoyed it. Its down now due to exploits , so image decided he wanted to correct the code problems first so it was fair on everyone.

As far as it being impossible.. I'd say thats a pretty ignorant remark as it's already been done on at least 2 servers well where the admins took the time to set the server up right. Just because you didnt experience it doesnt mean it didnt or doesnt exist.

As far as other legit servers go, Ive said it about now 100 times, its up to the indivudual admin to populate it, create quests , etc. If he doesnt do that and wants to create a legit server, yes, it's not going to be horribly popular, but thats his concern, and how does what an indivudual have to do with the dev team, or the community in general. You keep lumping us into one big group, if SOMEONE makes their server legit, what does that have to do with these forums, or the dev's ? We just work on the software bro, we dont tell people what to do with it, its up to YOU to determine what you want to build, or use it for, why do you keep looking to us for resolution to the fact you can't find a non Legit server to log into ? You obviously came here looking for something completely different.

As far as ignoring, I dont think anyone is ignoring anyone, it's just that there is nothing for us to do about it. Do you expect us to modify our code so that no one can create a legit server even if they wanted to just to satisfy your requirements for what you think it should be ?

[Aragain]

Well, hes been banned by Hogie.

Probably a wise choice, though I would rather he just "put on a happy face" like Hogie said, oh well.

And as to not discern other players from making their points heard...

This post was mostly aimed at Ragual, for his very stubborn and biased view towards legit servers, and how he carried out himself against them, as well as, wether he knew it or not, insulting and putting down EQemu itself, which is the main reason he was attacked so.

I was hoping to just change his way of saying things, to a "There are not enough non-legit servers, lets make some!" instead of, "Legit servers are stupid, and will be the bane of civilization. You are all fools, and anyone who ever went to work making this is a 13 year old, and, and stupid! Now stop being idiots and make non-legit servers!"

Which is how he sounded in my mind. Glad thats over though.

[Bardboy]

I couldn't figure out what that guys beef was about. It would have been interesting to see if anyone could have made him/her see the light. Now Raguel will go thru life convinced that he was right and that we are all deluded.

O well, probably better this way. :lol:

[izagod]

:D I am very happy about the work and joint effort put in to this progect (Eqemu) wether you are for legit or want to play on a non legit server it doesnt matter, there will be alought of choises here for you on eqemu, so dont fight or complain just try out diffrant servers and get in the one you like, as for problems- ie geting booted stuck and all that, just wait over time thimgs have got more stable and more stable. i say good job devs! 8)

izagod (GM Valudus) Endless Times LEGIT server

[Hardy]

:D I am very happy about the work and joint effort put in to this progect (Eqemu) wether you are for legit or want to play on a non legit server it doesnt matter, there will be alought of choises here for you on eqemu, so dont fight or complain just try out diffrant servers and get in the one you like, as for problems- ie geting booted stuck and all that, just wait over time thimgs have got more stable and more stable. i say good job devs! 8)

amen

[Megil]

I can't see why anyone would prefer non-legit personally, though I admit that I don't know the ins and outs of EQ yet. Since I got EQ (because I discovered EQemu existed, nice work guys) I've been trying to find a legit server where I can work on a player and persevere to get better and better stuff. I don't see the point of improving your char if you can summon all the best gear as soon as you start. The last few chars I've made on Forever hacking, I've avoided summoning any gear. I just think it's more fun that way.

Also, saying that having legit servers would make it just like EQlive is complete rubbish. I play on a player-run UO server, Oblivion, and it has been worked upon by the staff to a point that it has things that the official UO servers don't, and it's an overall better gaming experience.

"don't argue with morons, they only bring you down to their level then beat you with expereince"

[Aragain]

Well, one reason I like(d) non-legit servers, is becuase of the fact, with summoning items, you can pick up where you left off from EQ.

After playing EQlive for 4 years, EQemu is a nice soft pillow for us addicts to fall on, and when we first arrive, it's all about exploiting that which we couldn't exploit before, at least, it was for me.

But soon, I began to settle down, and looked for something more along the lines of legit EQlive.

There is nothing like being a god however, and after so many years of looking up to GMs, some people just like having all of that power at their finger tips, I know I did.

[Deris]

EQ is a boring game if you play it in a legit way. It's extremly slow paced, and takes hours of work to do the most basic of things. It demands you to seek out lots of people for ridiculous sized raids that turn out only two to five good items. It devours time.

As I've said, I had a 60 warrior in EQ; and was part of an uber guild. I'm not making this up either, so no dumbass comments. I quit a few weeks before PoP was released, but I had raided just about every hot spot in Luclin, Kunark, and Velious. I had very good gear, but it wasn't the best.

I quit EQ simply because it demanded to much time, and too many people to do things. I joined everhacking server because of the word hack. If you force users to play under a ridiculous regiment of rules, many will turn away from it. I ( and I'm sure many others) just don't have time to play in a ridiculous on line enviroment which takes anywhere from 12 - 24 people to kill large monsters; OR not be able to solo because our class has no way of healing.

I quote one of the GM's I spoke to on everhacking today when he said, "EQemu is just playing EQ without paying." I think that is a very bad mentality that will lead to some form of a law suit. If the intent of EQemu is to steal the hard work of Verants development team totally; then that is kind of wrong.

I could understand the desire to create servers that are intended to allow users to have fun by throwing the boring rules of EQ out of the window, and letting players kill monsters they dreamed of killing in game by themselves (Bye Cheal Potion) or with a friend or two.

[Asmodeos Ss'Thari]

im a guildless 61 sk on Vaz who is annoyed by the long hours and all that =p..

this just sounds like a great place to let off some steam! make an uber char kill some uber mobs hehe, glad i heard about it and i think its really cool that people took the time to do this.

...now if i can get it to work ~ :P

[Deris]

That's another good thing I enjoyed about EQemu before Cheal potions were disabled. The fact you didn't need a legion of medding clerics at your back to kill things, and have lots of fun. Guilds in EQ were probably the most terrible thing, and I can't tell you how many in-game friends I lost to get to where I was in the game socially speaking. EQ is 3/4 polotical play, and 1/4 video game and raid execution at high levels :/.

[Asmodeos Ss'Thari]

Im sick to hell with all the guild Drama bullcrap.. Mainly i play to have fun with rl friends mess around cause i chose not to have much of a RL lol.. but after clearing a zone for like 10 hours to get to one mob just to get 3 drops is just stupid =X

i need a break before my head explodes.. glad eq is on my moms credit card :p

[Deris]

Just quit the game, and sell your character. You'll feel muuuuuuch better in a few months. It's such a wonderful feeling. The fact you must depend on other people so much is what hurts EQlive. Games are meant to be fun and entertaining. Not boring, addictive, and drawn out like EQ can become :/.

[Asmodeos Ss'Thari]

i agree.. but i just cant bring myself to sell =X


i just wanna play on eqemu when im pissed at eq.. sounds so fun lol :P

[Toofles]

/rant

You know what?

The question of legit or non-legit is a matter of preference. Who the fuck are you* to tell someone that their preference is wrong, boring or retarded? Last I checked, you were not the alpha and omega on opinions, and you're probably going to be sad when we** discover the center of the universe and publicize that it isn't you. Much like the question of Coke versus Pepsi, it is a matter of preference and it has been proven uncountable times that you will not change the other person's opinion.

I'm tired of you shitheads coming to the legit server(s) I play and go "OMF G y cant u #summonitem & #level???/ lOL GAy!!!!!11". It's not like I'm a fucking Jehova's Witness* coming to your door and forcing my religion and opinion up your ass, so give me the same respect in turn, thanks.

*Anyone guilty of this
**The human race, in case you were in doubt.
***I don't care if you're a Jehova's Witness and you don't do that. Tell someone that gives a shit.

/rant off

[Aragain]

Raguel is banned, hes gone, you can all calm down now.

Take a breather.

Though, I must say, amen Toofles =P

[Deris]

Arrrgh, triple post. Damn IE.. My apologies again.

[Deris]

Ack, browser lag.. My apologies for the double post.. *mumbles*

[Deris]

I'm tired of you shitheads coming to the legit server(s) I play and go "OMF G y cant u #summonitem & #level???/ lOL GAy!!!!!11". It's not like I'm a *** Jehova's Witness* coming to your door and forcing my religion and opinion up your ass, so give me the same respect in turn, thanks.

and I'm just as tired as pro-legit people frollicking around, ready to waste up to 5 hours of there day looking for the shortage of clerics on everhack that will be sure to ensue.

Please, go take your (counter) whining about people stating there ideas about the legit servers elsewhere. No one gives a rats ass to be honest. I know I don't. You don't know how much of a hypocrit your message makes you.

As far as being a slow paced, boring, and repeitive game EQ is all of those. I urge you to play any other sort of video game, and use that to base your observation off. You'll see that the statement is absolutely true. Many people do not realize the terrible game play of EQ, because they are so mindlessly addicted to it. I know I was at one time.

Nice flame by the way, Champ :wink:.

[Vermea]

Alright, i think it's about time that this get's closed....the guy is banned so everyone can just get off their soap-boxes and calm down.

[Bardboy]

Ok, This needs to stop. My blood Pressure is rising and the Doctor charges way too much money, so I may have to release the pressure some other way. ...Get my drift?

This ain't a coorporation. Individuals decide what they want to happen on THEIR SERVERS. If you don't like that, or can't figure out how to run your own, then I recommend tying a heavy rock around your neck and jumping off the nearest bridge.

Also, there really is no need for all the foul language and flaming. If you have a point, make it. Don't bludgeon us over the head with it. If nobody agrees with you then drop it. You won't convince everyone you are right, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

I suggest the Admin lock this thread.

[Aragain]

Agreed, lock it... now.

*feels so proud that his post got so much attention, and can now go on with his life*