you are wrong. if eq classic came back, it would be the same eq classic we knew before. and i dont know about you, but i havent played it in 4 years and would happily play again

you dont think players want a hardcore server? they dont want to be newbs? they dont want to work for content that is worthless on eqlive? well then they dont have to fucking play but theres some people out there who want a challenge

your right about one thing.. if you know every single inch of eq leveled every race / class combo to 50 and done every quest in every city i guess ya, your only chance is a new game. You know what the problem is tho? new games are newb'd down, useally dont have good lore, no class inter-dependancy and leveling is not an acomplishment.

i dont kno about u guys but being a virgin to norrath wasnt what made original eq good, it was its game mechanics. there was nothing special about it, ever. it was just another game my action quake 2 clan played. i never went around and talked to npcs for no reason, and never really explored, there was no mystry to me. thats not why eq was good.

im gonna write my response to wiz's huge post now =(

let me rephraise a few things wiz, since english isnt your first language you probly translate alot of the text wrong ( ive seen people like you on the net, they know engllish perfectly by the dictionary and kno every word in the universe and talk like a professer, but cant understand a damn sentence.)

what i said was no planar armor for a few months lol, anyway, i didnt even get 50 till kunark came out, i never had the pleasure of reaching 50 and waiiting around for kunark. perhaps thats why i would like to play old world again, and you would not, because i didnt fully expierence it eheh.

its not hard when there ubar. any kind of stat gear should be considered leet. thats the point of the servr, if you like how eq is now where you dont even check if items are magic anymore than have fun.

wr is your ideal image of eq? lol thats lame man, lame.

i dont yearn for EQlive. EQlive is the pos made by the EQlive team after mcquaid went to sigil and trost/ smedley and the rest went to wrok on eq2

and i go on live all the time and do quests without allakazam, its fun, if people want to ruin there fun they can.

the point is, obtaining those items on an original server would be an acomplishment, its ubah, while on a live server would be something you sell to a merchant as junk. not to mention lvl 20 on a live server is nothin but a day at paludal, and for the first 10 lvls you dont have to worry about any risk or challenge at all.

you know the answer to all 3. i wont waste my time.

ah god damn stfu u kno exactly what i mean lol

thats not the whole quote and is taken out of contex.. you were saying eq original would not be as fun if we played now. now read my quote

get it now? i wasnt saying eqclassic is the best it can get, as in best game in the world.. geez...

btw, this is what REALLY went down :lol:

A) i luv brocolli, but ive already eatin it and allakazam.com had discovered every inch of it, so i dont want to eat it again
B) Oh come on, if I gave you broccoli you know you would eat it. its still the same broccoli u had before, and not everyone had eatin it all.
A) rahhhhr projecting kids ad hominem argue points not person make a point an back it up pete owns bob at soccro teh ubar rowr

p.s. im not trying to sound intelegent, or trying to be a leet forum dude, or get respect, or penis envy, or like a master argueer, or like i know what im talking about, im just trying to tell people why an eq classic server is still worthwhile. This would go alot smoother on irc i think =)

The main point Wiz stated you missed i guess, YOU may want that back, 4-5 others may realy want it back, BUT most of the people who claim they want it back will get bored within a week and drop the server for a semi-legit or a legit where its easier to LV.


There is NO player base for the old content, kind of hard to do plain raids when there is only 10 people who play on the server.

I think we all finally agree on something.

Wiz said it perfectly, most people have stated they agree with wiz. If there is such a need or want for a classic server, where are your fanbois rallying to your side?

I believe his intention was to save people a lot of time and energy building something that is doomed to fail. If you feel so strongly in disagreement, spend that energy building this classic server and tell everyone to fuck off. Do it for you, not for us.

lol we are building a classic server :) its called Circle of Elements.
wether it suceeds or not it has still been fun making it.

another server
 

I'm working on a server as well...right now, I'm leaning toward getting rid of the Nexus and PoK at the very least, gah how I despise those zones, I want it to be somewhat classic, but with a lot of custom content...I want to re-experience the magic and make EQ my own.

Umm, I know this isn't the place for it, but since I mentioned my server and all, any chance there's any way to change how auto-attack works? I'm assuming it's hardcoded, but if it's not, I'd like to make it more interactive....pressing Q....or in my case A is just...well....boring. Not expecting to be able to do it, just very hopeful, lol.

circle of elements is a full old world remake, including old world game mechanics, with custom content and quests and npcs text as well. so you shoudl help us :)

we got 97 reigstered useers on our forum at eqclassic.com and its only been up like a week! if even half of those peopel played that would be enought to make the server feel alive, old world is pretty damn small.

i think theres tons of people like me, who dont give a sh* about eq emu, or even the eqlive, but would still play a pre-kunark server, but maybe not =/

i think wiz should have a poll on his server about weather he should continue wr or a eq remake lol

Superiority through condenscating tone does not work. If anything, you're the one that is butchering your own language.

Yeah, planar armor is what I meant too.

+2 DEX is still like 0.1% proc rate. Try not to quote so incredibly selectively. Point not refuted.

Personal attack. WR is my project that is aiming towards my ideal image of EQ. It is far from complete. I refer you back to argumentative school, because you fail on the quiz.

I'm pretty sure you know what I meant. You yearn for the original EQlive. You're just arguing a different point than what I said (people WILL use allakhazam) because you can't refute that one.

No, killing a giant snake is not much of an accomplishment at all. It might be a decently useful lowbie item, but knowing what I know now, I could easily get 20 in a day on a Classic server that perfectly emulated EQclassic.

Yup, I do.

So? It still wasn't logical, it was an appeal to nostalgia. I could apply that to anything, for example:

"We still haven't had a REAL milennia shift for four years, so I suggest we set back all calendars to 1999 again."

Yes, I did. And I backed up my point with a lot of logic that you have yet to refute. And the rest of the quote was ad hominems, so I think I did you a favor in taking it "out of context". You claimed a paragraph consisting of two ad hominems and a single statement of personal bias was logical reasoning? Wtf?

That is quite possibly the worst analogy I have ever seen. Ever. You're comparing what you can "investigate" and "spoil" in a piece of food compared to what you can investigate in a game that was built around the very core of a vision that stated players should not have access to any extended amounts of information. Not to mention it's not the same brocolli at all. Not even remotely, because of all the client changes (but since your eyes will start glazing over when reading this sentence and jump to the next one that wouldn't shatter your faith, why do I bother?). And BTW, trying to dismiss the fact that you suck at arguing with a childish "I'm so cool this means nothing lol" doesn't work either.

Good. You're not.

Yeah, unfortunately, the only points you have stated so far are:

"Because."

and

"Because you suck."

You've provided nothing but personal bias and personal attacks on my own project throughout the entirety of this post. Your hint that I'm doing this to try to be a cool forum dood is pretty pathetic too. Let me just explain this as simple as possible. When you're trying to convince a person of an opposite stance, you need to provide plenty of reasoning - see my original post, and the amount of people who said it changed their views. If I had written as you, it would have been something like this:

"EQclassic doesn't work beacuse WR ROCKS man and you know it you know you want to play WR hahaha you're a freak and you KNOW that EQclassic sucks you KNOW it."

How many people would be convinced, do you think?

You get an F- on your test. And I'm still amazed at the stupidity of that analogy.

You're seriously missing something here. The point of my entire original post is that there are plenty of people (myself included) who really loved pre-Kunark EQ, and wish for it back, but mistakenly think that it can be brought back.

If I made a poll like that, I'd probably get some people who'd want me to make an EQ classic remake (by sheer virtue of time investment already placed into WR alone most people wouldn't want it to change though), but 95% of these people would quit within a few weeks on a real EQ classic server.

I know you're stonewalling what everyone else is saying, but jeesh, at least misunderstand me in the right way.

your points is

1. pre -kunark wont be fun now because were not noobs and wont be getting lost in neriak..

2. there wont be enuf content on a pre-kunark server

whats my point is:

1. pre-kunark wasnt leet becasue we were noobs.

ive been on subject this whole time, it seems like your the one who keeps posting without a point, your not even talking about eq classic your just pwning me with your brain and giving me a scool lesson

that was my point. i live in america, i dont know the language by the book like you.

what point?

thats not a personal attack, wr is just lame compared to real eq,s ry

uhmmmmmmmmmmmm, no.

really? so you know why pre-kunark is better than eqlive, why its more worthwhile to make a eq remake than try to make a new game, and why eq is better than any mmog since?

then wtf am i posting here still


it was perfectly logical. you knew exactly what i ment when i said real everquest, so did everyone else who read the sentence, do i have to say pre-kunark for you to not be a bitch about it? no one gives a shit if i call it exept the few grammar nerd trolls

W_T_F?!?!?!? what do you want me to say!??! what point did you back up with logic?? i dont see a fucking point. all i said was a pre-kunark server now would be just as fun as pre-kunark then, unless you were a noob then and want to be a noob again for some reason, because then it wont work, but even so an old world server is the best it can get,

and then you quote the very last part, and make it sound llike i said a classic server is the best in the world. then you give me a lesson on how to back up my point . way to be a dick man.

Selective quoting, superiority claim and projecting, all in one.

Are you even trying anymore?

screw u lol, hell no im not trying, not trying to be leet anyway, all im trying to do is make peope think eq classic server isnt a bad idea..

this thread should be locked lol.. i mean.. what if made a thread called 'Winters Roar - and why it doesnt work"

of course the thread would be stupid, becasue theres no reason wr cant work, it just has very limited appeal (who would want to play norrath jr. besides people banned from eq or broke peopel with no other choice?)

Go ahead. Unfortunately, you wouldn't actually be able to convince people, because you seem rather incapable of stating anything that isn't a blind belief.

I'll settle with solid logic and proven points. Or as you call it, "being leet". :D

dude cmon, your just being an ass in the last few posts lol

what blind belief do i believe in???//?//?

No, I'm not just being an ass. I'm pointing out that you haven't provided any backing whatsoever for your opinion of EQclassic, and has failed to refute any of the points originally made. If you claim something but can't back it up with reasoning, it becomes a belief.

That's all.

Okay. Now here's the thing. I've backed up my stance on pre-kunark, and lots of people on this thread has agreed with me that the most fun thing about pre-kunark was the fact that you just didn't know.

You have stated that pre-kunark content was amazing and awesome and delicious, without actually explaining what was so good about it.

That +2 DEX rings will not have people all excited now that they know how useless 2 DEX actually is.

Yup. Towards the end of classic, before kunark, I got a character to level 20 (necro) without twinkage or PLing in about 18 hours of play. It's not hard when you know the right spots.

This calls for a snicker.

No see, the point wasn't what you meant. I understood what you meant, even if it's poor practice to use jargon that might mean different things to different people. It just wasn't a logical point (which was what I originally asked for, then you replied "I have said logical things:" and quoted that), because it was all emotion and personal bias.

Go re-read the initial post. I backed up my points rather well. If you want to point out any logical fallacies in my reasoning, do so, instead of yelling generic insults.

Unless you missed it, cleverboy, YOU were the one that quoted the section I picked apart. I was replying to your claim that it was a logical point. Way to insult yourself. You didn't say "unless", you said "because". There's a huge difference there.

You seem to be getting rather riled up.

This thread is the reason the EQEmu forums have existed to this point.

Once it dies down, you can close them.

done.

wait what, i dont get this sentence? where did i say unless instead of because?

Yawn. Of course, it was about pointing out logical fallacies in the overlying argument, but let's look at this.

You quoted as logic:

I replied by slicing it up to point out why this wasn't logical at all.

I see no logical fallacy here. You did use unbased promotion.

You said:

Direct attrition.

You then said:

I assumed you didn't just drift off completely and start talking about your general consensus. I guess that was wrong.

what? lol


someone put this in dumbass terms for me

ok dumb ass terms


You are the only person who thinks what you think, everyone else says the the reverse is true. Also you have not offered one piece of real evidence to support your "feelings".


You have every right to feel the way you do but bairly anyone agrees with you and you are trying to MAKE everyone agree with you, even after being offered proof.


I have seen thousands of servers come and go and the servers that try to be like live ( yes the old school servers too ) fail 100% of the time. They get people that say "this will be fun" "I will play on that server" but that lasts weeks if even that long, people dont want live they want fast leveling uber items ect. The ONLY "legit" servers to last long are the ones with original content. This is a FACT not a feeling, the proof is right at the login server for you to see.

He doesn't speak English better than you because you're a native speaker(THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MY BRAIN JUST FLEW OUT OF MY NOSTRIL AND RAN AWAY TO HIDE IN THE CORNER WOAH LOOK AT THE PRETTY COLORS), he speaks English better than you because he's not a fucking retard.

I'm an American and speak better English than Wiz! He's a dumb Swede. Consequently, I speak Swedish better than him too. Did you know, in Sweden, they don't even have SWEDISH FISH!? The horror.

do i really need to explain why pre kunark eq is better than wr lol, and then do i hve to explain why i would rather play a classic remake then wr :?:
ya, but ur gehy lol, if i cared what wiz was talking about, id have to google every other word to figure out what hes saying, every person who speaks enlgish as there second language i meet on irc or whatever's english is like that
unbased promotion?? wth, and the logical fallacy is you quote the very last part, and make it sound llike i said a classic server is the best in the world.[/quote]

There you go again on your personal crusade against WR, I thought it was a discussion about a clasic server?

Personaly I dont like WR and will never ever play on it, why you ask? same reason as many, it takes too long to LV and i dont want a grind.

This is the way MOST people who would play an emulator feel.

here let me quote my last post since you ignored it.

and you going off about Wiz's english gave me a realy good laugh, it the opisit ( once again ) of what your saying. People who learn english as a second language have a hard time understanding people who have used it there whole life. I will give you an example my human resorces professor gave in class.

Explain how "im gonna pop a cap in your arse" fits into any of the definitions for "cap"?

People from the USA understand what is mean but people from other countrys dont. I can give you the book name, chapter ect if you would like to educate yourself instead of making stuff up to attempt to bash people with.

thats what i was sayin, they have trouble understanding us

i still think a classic remake would be the ubah rule btw lol

They have trouble understanding you, not us. I've known Wiz for about two years now and have never had any trouble understanding each other's English.

The reason people may seem to have trouble understanding your mastery of the English language is because you butcher it like Uncle Bubba butchers anal virginity.

lol

LOL my head hurts....

Although, I do have to agree with wiz. I played EQlive for 3 1/2 years was fun. I got 3 lvl 60s. Join EQEMu and played on there servers for 2 days and never went back to live... Its gets old... Its like Unreal in Co-op mod...

Anyway i am noob what do i dont.... I am just a retard.....

I played for 3+ years on live, starting pre-kunark, lead 4 chars up to 60 and epic, and enough of them up to 50+ to fill 2 full accounts. I stopped when that damn lvl 65 appeared and finished to ruin all my eqlive fun. Then, I then took a deep breath, and stopped to play till i made a char on WR, I played there for a lil bit more than 6 monthes, and partially rediscovered the fun i had when i was a young human wizzy from Morell Thule.

Even if i rarely agreed with Wiz when we were having issues on WR together, i do have to say here that i totally follow his opinion about the good old worlds, it's just not possible anymore when you have such a background as mine, or his.
In fact, i understood this when velious was released. At that time, a pretty important number of new players joined Morell Thule and started their Eq life, it was yet different to what we, old peeps, known. They wanted all immediately, 90% or more rezz for their lvl 15 war, ports to make WC to Nro, they wanted to access to guild banks, or follow the raids at lvl 30... just because they were seeing lvl 60 players everywhere, carrying epic weaps, etc ...

What killed the 'good old days' is the quality of the pre-velious world, that lead EQ to create more and more expansions, each of them giving more and more power to the players and ruining the previous one. Nah, i really don't see how an experimented player could enjoy spending 10 days to make lvl 1->40, dieing 3 times or more a day, or staying LFG for hours if they know that the server contains high end stuff that will turn to shit what they did for the previous 10 days. The fun of EQ was to discover and learn the world. High end game, certainly much more complex, techically was the only way SoE found to keep their money maker alive. Honestly, expansions past Kunark gave absolutely nothing new, or better, to the game, but just kept players addicted instead of renewing them in a more 'static' world.

This remains obviously a personal point a view, and i do understand that some players like to be tank14 or chain_cleric17, but from my personal experience, only a few of those i know were playing pre_kunark.

even kunark messed up pretty bad, i mean, i remember +15 hp gear being uber, then all the sudden i have my ragebringer with +100 hp, and then by the time velious came out +50 hp gear was like the same price, and there was no reason for plane raids when velious came out
, cause the drops and xp were so ubar

although, i have to say velious is when i really started playing hardcore and had my fondest memories

yeah, well who would want to go back to that pos live lol.

Okay, first of all, there is no logical fallacy or contradiction to suggestive and selective quoting, although I didn't even do that, it's just a shady argumentative tactic. It also has nothing to do with wheter a classic server is better or not, or your bitter little spouts about WR. I invite you to quote the exact passage where I did this.

*cry* Wiz...you are GOD of EMU....do you hear me.....the EQEMu god = Wiz.

why? all he said was

1. allakazam has spoiled all content

2. pre-kunark didnt have enuf content

3. pre-kunark was to hard for pussys

i could of told you that and became eq emu king, oh wll to late now =(

No that's not why anyone would think Wiz was king/god of EQEmu. It's because he has PRODUCED something. When you get around to making something and not just talking about it, people may regard you in the same way. That's all.

:P

http://www.healthyplace.com/communit...ism/index.html

:lol:

This post is funny and relevant.

Classic? Nah
 

I have to give props to wiz who stated it clearly the magic has ended for most of us. I recently have gotton the drive to come back to EQ live, and not because I want to waste my money and be "Ghey" But because it was the first MMORPG, I played that I got deeply sucked into, it started with a converation back in 99 with a friend of mine. We were talking about random school things and the conversation soon came to Everquest.

"Wow my friend has a cool new game, and I've spent a few hours on it last night you should join", and slowly the convo enveloped 2 others at our table and soon we began our Everquest journey on Fennin Ro, one of the oldest servers created. It was fairly new back then and I can still remember laughing about previous nights adventures in class next morning talking about our chars camped out in that wierd new zone West Karana or how were hanging out in Aviaks roost.

Everquest for me was magical because of the people I met and the real life friends that played it, no matter what game I will get into EQ was part of my life for about 3 years. Never made it to 50 because I was restless and needed to start new classes everytime but i always found my highlevel fun with guildies or friends of mine that needed someone to play their ____ for a raid because they went off on a date or wherever. My main still resides at 49 Hum Pally somewhere in Karnors Castle (a ghost town most likely by now)

We talk about classic being the best but I see classic as the Trillogy and not just the three main Continents. Luclin broke Everquest in my opinion. With just Classic it would get monotonous and yes the leveling would be tedious as well as I recall all too well the origanal 1-2levels a day treck it sometime taking 4-5 hours just to level from 19-20 or 20-21. With the faster exp and new lands to explore in the Trillogy I think it would be worthwhile once again.

Luclin changed the world and it was the fulcrum of EQ development. There's no doubt in my mind that people would agree when I say Luclin turned the economy upside down, There was a point when Crystal Chitin was the uber shit next to Plane armor, and Quest armor. Spending a full month getting an entire set of this demi-godly armor (better then kunark's deepwater and the like) my once 25k (Ubah rich) armor fell to 5k in one day. Mino axe's became extinct, Ornate Rune blades, Arbitors combine, Nat's 2 hander all became common n00b twinks.

In an instant all hardwork dedicated was wiped out, once someone took a look at the moon and decided hmm a Nexus would be nice to have. EC tunnel deserted to the new found Bazaar. I know I mix a bit of emotion into my post but I think that without emotion of WOW I just recieved my Epic this is great, OMG plane armor, or even a simple omg camping Frogloks for my FBSS paid off jeez the 8 hour camp was hard but we got our belt!! congratz guys. You start to lose what EQ is about for alot of people. I was there when Fennin was decimated by the Ebay and Auction wars. Omg Cloak of flames still sells for 75$?? lets go raid naggy with whatever uber 52's we can muster (A direct quote form a TMO member) "Damn that runed bolster belt netted me a cool 125$" (Direct quote from a DoA member, these two being the best Guilds of the time on the server)

The powerlevel grind led to kill stealing, and clearing out a camp for your guild only with trains. If you weren't in "abc" Guild you weren't going to level quickly unless your class was good at soloing and if you weren't wearing "xyz" armor we don't want you in our party. Some of the newer expansions are foreign to me but from the revisisting of EQ and its Gui enchancements just shows me although the game may be geared toward the higher levels now they still haven't forgotton the perks that make the game enjoyable I like the link system to items, and the Link all for corpse looting, and the maps althogh new to me have proven useful. It's a Catch 22 in my eye for keeping people happy and keeping the community alive.

In order to keep a MMO a MMO you need to impliment grouping and interaction between players as a key role. Yet if you make it too group and interaction orientated then people complain you made it difficult as not everyone is friendly or available when you want them. Soloing to me is like playing a single person offline game. Sure you have to buy a new item from bazaar from someone but hell its not liek used to be where people had a convo and exchanged goods, its about the same as walking up to a NPC, except with occasional Haggling. Omg 10k for THAT! how about a 5k and my Sword of Mourning. Easy enogh but still not a MMO feeling. I welcome the new changes as im sure it will give me alot to do and although I'm still spending money monthly, its a hell of alot cheaper then spending 7 bucks at blockbuster 4 times a week trying to ammuse myself with a video game of my choice (even 25$ for an unlimited pass) or paying 50$ for an RPG I'm going to beat in 50-60hours = week 1/2 and im bored again. I'd like to say Congratz to the Dev's who's made EQEmu a great experiance, (although I still can't login to my own server after following 4 seperate guides.. *sigh* oh well) and Guys, don't lose the magic of a game, once you lose that you slowly lose the will to play.

the magic is gone period. it isnt around to experience anymore. there has not been a server that came close to emulating what everquest 1999 was. not soe or eqemulator server. (exept maybe that perma death server that had no expansion content omfg that was LEET -pvp and permadeath)

kunark, and velious are the worst offenders for trivializing old world content. i took a break from eq during luclin cause i got fed up so i dont know how bad that was, and im sure the addition of a supermarket instead of player trading helped kill it to. mino axe's went exticnt with kunark and velious. and those other items you mentioned are just some of the uber content that came with trilogy era and killed economy.

kunark came out and had content better than planar armor, which you also got exp while getting because its just alot of farming. does that make any sense? kunark having content greater than the planes? no. but they had to do it. they messed up. get my ragebringer was awsome, probly the coolest quest i did on my halfling. but now i know that epics were a bad idea, and shouldnt of ever come into existance, the original eq team admits the whole epic idea was a bad idea. but the eqlive team makes epic 2.0's lol. theres alot more reasons why i wouldnt want to see kunark and especially velious on a server. my best times of eq are probly during the velious era, but that doesnt mean i think it was the best way to go.

i wont even go into why eq99 > custom-eqemuserver02

Here is my take: not that we really need to see another.
I play on WR and it is enjoyable, great work Wiz. It is well thought out and put together. I feel comfortable saying it is better than the eq i left at the release of Luclin. <meaning no disrespect: that aint hard>
I think in order to undersand why i would like to see a EQEmu server limited to Original, Kunark and Velious, you would need to know why i left.
I did not leave EQ because i got bored, or because i didnt find end game content. I left because ever time i turned around a new release made everything i had wokred long and hard to acquire... dogshit. And even though i was in one of the oldest guilds on Mith Marr, we were a tight group of friends that didnt want to accept assholes into the guild. Needless to say as the devs wrote more and more to the HUGE groups needed to kill things and the uber items, we lost the ability to compete with open admission 'own the spawn' guilds.
I loved the game, i never lost interest in the 'classic' areas, i am not a power gamer. I was one of the few wizards who went on Hate raids and i love the place <nothign much for me but still fun>

I am looking for a classic server so i can go have the fun i once did, so i can get the items i once had and not have to worry that any amount of work i do will mean a waste of time NEXT expansion.

To be able to get to a mob, no matter how insignificant or important and not sit on a list for days, or have to catch UBER GUILD002 sleeping so i can get a spawn.

I realize that there wouldnt be a huge amount of ppl out there that would play on an EQclassic server. I have hated the mention of SOE or EQ for years. I can name 4 others who were equally pissed off and quit the same time i did for similar reasons. I mentioned EQEmu and got yelled at, but when i explained that sony wouldnt be at the helm and we could make the content static they listened. We want to play the game to its fullest extent before the game went to the dogs, and the spawns got impossible, before the items got rediculous. I think the people who played through all the ludicrous shit would be totally disillusioned and unable to play a classic server.

I understand both sides of this issue, and i hope perhaps i have explained myself well enough to make some sense.

lets start this argument again where i left off.

i still dont know wtf your takling about wiz. wtf is a general consensus?

there is nothing wrong with that statement. all it says is that eq99 today would be just as fun now as it was then. and thats true. no one thinks eq99 is the best mmorpg because they were a newb. that argument has been officaly pwned.

your point that pre-kunark eq cannot return does not work. if your point is that WR is bettre than eq99 or eq99 doesnt have enough content or is to hard, i can listen to that