"General consensus" means general opinion or agreement.

Your statement is false. I would hate EQ of '99 by today's standards, because it simply doesn't live up to them. In '99, EQ of '99 was awesome, but that's no longer the case.

So no, that argument hasn't "officially been pwned".

Give it up, bbum.

why is that no longer the case.. because you thing better things have come out? well they havent. todays standards are asstastic. no mmorpg's or eqemu servers of todays standards match what eq was in 99.. there has not been one hardcore quest heavy class based mmorpg since eq99. pre kunark would be just as fun now as it was then. pre kunark was not awsome because it was '99.

you guys give up. theres no reason an eq classic server can not work. all you have left to argue over is if eq99 < your eqemu server. which is why yu made this thread in the first place.

You're a retard rehashing points that have been pulverized again and again and again, you haven't used a single shred of logic in explaining how to deal with the issues that were brought up and failed to explain how the vast majority seemed to agree with the original points when your only real argument was "I'm right and you're wrong", and constantly bringing in WR which wasn't even mentioned as superior or inferior by anyone except your dumb ass.

Give it up while you're behind. In fact, you're the kind of behind that a person with no legs in a ten-mile marathon being harrassed by a pack of wild dogs while God constantly raises new mountain chains in his path and flaws in the space-time continuum makes him move backwards would exhibit.

Shit, you'd even be behind him.

I would just not enjoy '99 EQ anymore, because I've already been there. It's not fun anymore. You can't say whether "better" things have come out or not, because it's a subjective matter.

Either way, this thread is ready for a lock. I see you like to repeatedly run your head against the concrete wall, but eventually the wall will come falling down and then we'd be out a wall on these forums.

Thread will be locked once you post your reply.

Think about how fun Pong was to play back in the day. We'd all play Pong and Pacman for hours on end on our Atari 2600's.

How long do you think you could play Pong now? As long as you played Everquest?

It is human nature to make past experiences fantastical and to romanticize them to the point wanting to recreate them. Unfortunately, you will find that your dreams will become boring quickly. The problem with knowing this, is that you'll never believe it until you try it out yourself.

Good luck.

sorry ace, you loose. do you really think the reason we believe eq99 is superior is because we were new to everquest? you just dont realise how much crap eqlive is compared to 99. as i said a few posts before, that arguement is offically pwned. the reason eq99 would be just as fun now is because nothing better has come around. mmorpg's have not advanced from pre luclin eq. and I DONT FUCKING SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS A N00B TO EQ. THAT IS NOT WHY ANYONE THINKS EQ99 IS SUPERIOR. NO ONE POST THAT STUPID SHIT EVER AGAIN PLZ KK TNX

before you lock this thread i will organise each point wiz made in this entire thread and my response to them.

1) this is wiz's strongest and main point: I am a dumbass. its his main reason that im wrong. he uses it because i have owned every point he has tried to make.

2) the reason we want an eqclassic server is because we strive for our frist taste of eq and want to get lost in neriak again.
my response: no we dont. we believe eq99 is superior and being a noob has nothing todo with it. and infact most of us were not newbs in 99 and had been playing online games for years.

3)you cant make the feeling of something new with something old.
my response: good thing were not trying to make the feeling of something new. the feeling of something new is not the reason we feel eq99 is superior.

4)allakazam ruins eq classic content
my response: i have never known an eq without spoiler info. if that breaks an mmorpg there is no hope left for an mmorpg to ever please you again. even wr has its own mini allakazam.

5)not enuf content in eq classic,
my response: ok, you can get away with this one.. how much content eq classic has is how much is has, nothin to argue here

6)eq classic is to challenging.
my response: cant argue with you here. it is a challenge not a mindless grind, i wont argue if thats what people want or not.

thats it.. one last question wiz.. do you only think wr is superior because its new content? or do you think it is just superior to eq classic in general? would you have played eq if WR was released in 99 instead of what we got?

I can't speak for Pong and Pacman (i'm not that old), but recently me and my friends started playing Mario Bros (the original arcade version) on MAME, and we have just as much fun with it now as we did like 16 years ago. I can pick up old games like Megaman, TMNT, or whatnot, and still find them enjoyable. I still find DOOM just as fun as it was 10 years ago. Hell, I find it better than Doom3 (though thats for a different thread all-together).

I don't believe the issue with EQ is that its old and outdated. I think the problem is that we've all just played the game to death. There is only so long you can eat that delicious chocolate cake before you get sick of it.

With that said, I think recreating classic EQ is still something that can be a lot of fun and popular. There are tons of people out there who have no interest in EQ's current fascination with raids and uber loot, and simply want that oldschool feeling of roleplaying in a fantasy world back. And there are even more who have never even played EQ, and might find EQ's current 5 continents + 1 moon + 20 planes + lost dungeons + pirate gnomes + 65 levels + 2659348442 AA points + god knows what else they come up with, just a bit overwhelming. There is still life left in ClassicEQ - though just not for most of us.

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Keep movin nothing to see here, let him RIP please

GIVE ME CANCER NOW GOD.....for the sake of sweet mother mary and joseph can we not just be like hey i like classic eq and hey i dont.....hey lets hug....hey lets go make out.....hey lets go #^&$......alright you guys dont have to go that far...but if you do take pictures....seriously though...just reading this made me angry at everyone who posted an arguement here, everyone should go back and read how asanine you have been...youd kick yourself in the nuts.....MELWIN PLEASE DECLARE THAT LAW OF YOURS AND LAY DOWN SOME DR PHIL GOODNESS

yes. we could. but wiz had to name this thread 'why eqclassic does not work' when he should of named it 'why i think people want to play WR more than eq classic'

Yay I caught this thread before it was locked!!

Anyway, he named this thread that because that was what he believe(d). And I tend to, too.

Holy crap now I wish I wouldn't have read your awesome post Wiz. I feel like shit LMAO
I miss pre-kunark OMG and I'll never get it back. ARRRRGGGGHHH!
Okay now that the entire reason I came here to create a server has been ripped out of my cheast anyone have any ideas how to use my talent in IT to another purpose than continuing to work on my server?
Darkwaters

please explain what exactly wiz's wonderfully insightfull post showed you that made you decide to give up

I realized how pointless it would be to make my own server. Doing so will inevitably just increase the chance the majority of the populous would leave anyhow due to boredom or something relatively close. There is no way to recreate the awe that was once there in EQClassic. Sad really, not like his post made me think like this it only reinforced the fact that obviously making such a place would be pointless. And once you catered to the populous at which point again you'd lose them to eventual boredom, you still would have changed the EQClassic server.
So pointless to make such a beast fits. Didn't mean to say hey you made me think this way Wiz. I just received a huge reality kick in the nerds after reading the post and thinking about it. LOL
Darkwaters

why is there no way to recreat eq classic lol, what exactly makes eq classic impossible to recreate? nothing. nothing besides not being able to use the actual old client with old ui, but old ui is not why eq99 is great.

much more likley people would quit because of the hardcore game mechanics and trouble finding groups, the whole server would have to really cooperate to get anywhere on a eq classic server with eqemu server population

I am not saying that there is no way to recreate eq classic as you stated. I said there is no way to recreate the awe or enjoyment that once was EQ99. You cannot tell me that if it was duplicated to the "T" that everyone would be just as awestuck by the grandness that it once was. We've already experienced it you cannot re-experience it the same exact way you did the first time. That'd be like saying I could fuck my first GF over again and it'd be the same even if I could recreate the way she was down to the "T" it wouldn't be the same because I already know what I'm expecting. Maybe putting it this way makes a bit more sense, it does to me anyhow.

I'll give you that one even though it could have been argued under or something relatively close. =))

Darkwaters

and i dont want to. do you think the reason eq99 soars over modern day mmorpgs and eqlive is because it was new to us at the time? me either.

Thread locked.

This is going nowhere and is just breeding grounds for flaming.

My last comment to this will be an amused little chuckle at bbum, with his "crushing" points that oddly enough, noone else seems to see.

Guess everyone else is just a dumbass. :lol: