The current system

[corvanus]

doesnt seem like any are updated anymore, no offense but i see very little comming out from the development team ive been ghosting for sometime running my own minilogin based server for a few years now... and i see a growing problem, and please note that i do not mean to step on any toes or be rude but only to address an issue that i see...

I see a ton of people on these forums like you cavedude with developer under their name or "master programmer" or this or that, yet where is all the developing? a line or two in a changelog? one or two fixes every couple of months? i remember when there were updates almost more then once a week? what is the purpose of open source if none of us can actually contribute? why is the cvs repo locked off from the community as a whole to post their own updates? its obvious that many of the code submissions dont make it in the code... My question is why doesnt the communityhave the abbility to update it, and where are the leaders of the project? where are the updates and changes?

it seems to me that more focus is put into say peq then making the emu better as a whole on the current development teams part atleast, the community tries but the developers dont bother keeping up with us or even responding to submissions in coding from us.

to cut it down to a few words... eqemu is beginning to stagnate, fizzle out, because it would seem the dev team has lost touch with us and the project as a whole because its more important to post here instead of doing the coding integrating submissions, i see alot of posts get closed and people get banned but wheres the work on the emu and why cant we the community be more active in its development instead of the "Gods of the cvs" attitude that seems to prevail?

[corvanus]

i wold like to say i could be wrong here its just an observation but i think alot of people have alot of good ideas and code snippets and what not to contribute personally and i just dont undestand why this isnt more community based i mean this is supposed to be an open source project is it not?

but what is happening is that we have a ton of people running servers doing their own stuff and not sharing their fixes and edits for whatever reason or the other ontop of that they might not think itll make it into the release code, plus who wants to submit code to have it attributed to whatever dev puts it into the release and changelog?

[cavedude]

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2 is why I have that title. I put a TON of time into PEQ. That's why it has focus, because we have a whole group of people working on it. That and much like the EQEmu code, it has a very long way to go.

Why is the CVS locked off? Simple, despite the opinions of many, the EQEmu code has standards. All code that goes into CVS has to pass through a quality check. It isn't perfect, but it certainly helps to keep the crap out. There was once a time when EQEmu would fail to compile every other commit, things would constantly be broken, blah blah. That hasn't been a problem in years. When FNW took over one of the first things he did was clean up the pile we called code. Since then, the project has been clear sailing for the most part. If CVS was opened to the public, our code would go back to that shit state very quickly.

The vast majority of the code on the forums makes it into the code. If it doesn't, than there is either something wrong with it or it was overlooked. The latter doesn't happen as much as we have several people keeping an eye on the developmental forums for gems. If code on the forums is border line, I know many times KLS or Wild will either clean it up, or rewrite it with a different approach. So, the work from the forums DOES make it in.

The project has been slow for 2 months, it happens. Look at the commit dates. The few coders here have lives. EQEmu has advanced in leaps and bounds in the past year and a half. It is more playable now than ever by far. EQEmu is far from stagnate, especially when you look at our past.

Now, let me ask, what exactly have YOU done to help things?

[corvanus]

sorry but i wont submit code to have you the devs rip it off and claim it as yours by claiming it doesnt meet standards and "rewriting it" with your byline on it, but that is my personal reason why i do not submit any of my code because it is just that my code and since i wont have someone elses name attached to it i wont submit it though i do give it to certaion people via pm or email or other medium it is with the expressed condition that it not be posted for the dev team to take credit for.

as for looking at the past yes lets devn00b and image did more then most of the developers currently here in far less time they did things like write the login server where is there credit for that?

I would hardly call their work shit as you just clearly did i still have jsut about ever release that ever came out of the emulator code and i never had issues compiling or running it. and to claim you the current dev team are gods gift to the emulator and everything before was shit is just plain wrong and totally rude and disrespectfull to those who BUILD this project long before YOU Even knew about it.

[corvanus]

your words show a total lack of respect for BOTH the old developers who MAD eqemu and gave you all a foundation to stand on and a total lack of respect for the abbilities of the community how can you sit there and call other peoples work shit and say if the cvs was open we would turn eqemu into shit? that is totally outrageous, and to say the code is clean is again outrageous because guess what it isnt it still has a long way to go.

I didnt turn this post into a flame session but as always insults have to start flying when someone questions those in "power" guess what without US the cummunity you would have no project it would be empty and dead so how about you guys actually LISTEN To us once in a while instead of flaming and basicly calling us substandard as you JUST did that was COMPLETELY uncaled for. i wont get into a developers pissing contest with you because if i threw my coding resume on the table i would probably embarrass you suffices to say i have been in this busines long enough to have worked on mainframes.

I request an appology for you besmirching everyone but yourselves the dev team with your rude statements that our work would be shit

[cavedude]

Yes, when many people have access to a CVS without organization it turns to shit very quickly. It's no attack on the individual coders, it's just part of life. That's why we have governments. Anarchy doesn't work in the civilized world. To give you a prime example, Developer A codes in a change to let's say AC. At the same time Developer B is working on an overall combat overhaul. The two didn't communicate and both patches get committed. Combat is now broken. Odds are they will communicate, but if CVS was made public as you propose, some asshole can and will come along and submit their code with no regards to others.

Check the changelog, credit is ALWAYS given to people for their work, even if it needed to be changed.

Yes my friend, there was indeed a time when EQEmu would find itself broken every other patch, or many systems became broken. The reason was there were too many people working on the project and they did not properly communicate with each other. So, while it did seem like it was moving quickly, it was also getting pushed back at the same time. In this current era, we aren't seeing commits as much, but there are far fewer conflicts, and so we have very little set backs. I did not attack any one developer. Anybody who has ever been given access to the code has been a top notch coder.

You want power in this community? Contribute instead of whining and attacking. That's how I did it, and how FNW did it, and how devn00b and image before us did it. Let's not forget Lethal, Wize, Scorp, Doodman, Roegan, Windcatcher, Rangerdown, tcsmyworld, drawde, Wildcard, KLS, Angelox, etc, etc... If any of them had decided to complain instead of actually helping the community, we'd still be stuck in the dark ages.

Put your damn resume on the table. Write something and post it on the forums. I don't think you can/will.

You want an apology after you attacked me by name? Who's full of themselves?