The Abyss gone again?

[manc]

The server were upfor a few days and then went down and dissapeared about 5 days ago. The website is gone also.
Anyone know what happened to the server?

Welcome to eqemu, home of the weekend servers, some are up for days then poof forever some come and go like the wind!

[Amra]

It will be back up. I have been gone all weekend and wasn't able to restart it.

Actually I am looking into someone taking over the hosting. I don't really have the time to put into it. So within the next few weeks I hope to pass it on to someone else. They have to have a dedicated connection and box, knowledge of sql, and time to devote to development. Please, don't ask me if you have never set up a server before.

I would like to see the server around for a long time.

[manc]

Originally Posted by Amra

It will be back up. I have been gone all weekend and wasn't able to restart it.

Actually I am looking into someone taking over the hosting. I don't really have the time to put into it. So within the next few weeks I hope to pass it on to someone else. They have to have a dedicated connection and box, knowledge of sql, and time to devote to development. Please, don't ask me if you have never set up a server before.

I would like to see the server around for a long time.

After one full week the server is still not up.
Buju could u check that out plz.

[John Adams]

It is actually astonishing to me how frequently servers come and go. Mostly, go. Mine has been running since July '06, aside from the 2 mos I was "wire-less" :( but... there's a trick to running a successful server;

Be a self-sufficient adult who owns your own house or business, or at least has a job, doesn't still live in mom's basement, makes better salary than a McDonalds fry cook, where $30 isn't impossible to come up with monthly, and actually love EQ - not just the power of being GOD for a day.

[Amra]

I have to disagree with you there, John. I am a self-respecting, self sufficient adult with a good job (for now). I own my own home and I love EQ dearly. But let's not get into that.

Running a server takes, very simply, devotion. Take for instance, Zeb. I believe Jibb operated his server for a year or so. He was driven by his desire to develop the db with a great deal of content. Obviously, considering the state of his db (meaning it's a little dated and was a bit of a mess). But he really did an amazing job with the content he designed. In fact it's really incredible.

I wish I had continued on with the db I was working on. I may yet still. I really am not interested in running a server, but more so in working on the db. There are many great servers that exist. And everyday someone does something amazing. Finds a way to do something better or fixes something that never worked. Jest, GC and RA are prime examples of this.

But as with most computer hobbies or projects people get burnt out. That's what , I guess, happened to Jibb. When it becomes a job it's no longer fun. And its tough dealing with a large population as Zeb had. People lose heart but they usually come back in some capacity. It's that nostalgic pull in all of us.

What really needs to happen is more support for the Emu developers. It's very unfortunate that it took the threat of EqEmu losing hosting to gather some donations. If you look at the login server population there are at the least 100 people on at a given time. It's not very accurate but it gives a good indication there are still people very interested. They need direction and information on how to donate from the servers they play on. Not just donating to that particular server, but to the project itself. Of course those servers do deserve support if they can get it.

People need to understand that in order to continue this project they must peak developers’ interests. It's not all about money though. It's about appreciation and support, as well as providing and sharing information. There are a good handful of people like you John, Angelox, Techguy, GeorgeS, Kayot and many others etc.. that have been here a while and devoted much time and energy giving to the community.

This is by no means directed at you or anyone at all, but us as a whole. If we can get servers operators to provide players with information and urge them to support the developers I think it would have a great result . Most players don't even come to this board.

Sorry for my ramble.

Anyway, server is up

[John Adams]

Heh, Amra. I certainly was not directing my observations towards you, specifically. I was being vague, and general. And yes, one more thing you do need as a successful server is a community of supporters. Be that people simply willing to play and call your server "home", or people hell bent on "developing" something. Me, I prefer good ol stock EQ, that me and my fellows from our old server can bounce around on when the occasion strikes us.

I guess that's another point... having lofty goals does imply you have lofty time to spend on the project. I am way too simple for that, and I think most others are as well, which is why their servers last 2 weeks (that, and they get a D on their report card for spending so much time 'developing' and mom takes their computer away ~snicker~)


edit: let me add another observation while I am on a rant... the problem isn't the admins who decide one day they are out of interest or time- it's the players who chose a particular server and planned to live out their days there, then usually -=poof=-, everything is gone with or without an explanation. That's the part that pisses me off about people experimenting with public server emulation. The players get disenchanted, don't trust anyone, and getting players on your server becomes a task not worth your time (generally speaking)

[Amra]

Originally Posted by John Adams

edit: let me add another observation while I am on a rant... the problem isn't the admins who decide one day they are out of interest or time- it's the players who chose a particular server and planned to live out their days there, then usually -=poof=-, everything is gone with or without an explanation. That's the part that pisses me off about people experimenting with public server emulation. The players get disenchanted, don't trust anyone, and getting players on your server becomes a task not worth your time (generally speaking)

I agree with you. The problem is that when the op gets burnt out the don't offer their db up to a willing person to host it. I understand why most of them don't. I am sure they don't want to "give away
their work". Which is a shame. That's what this project is designed for.

I am offering as I don't have time to put into it at the moment. And I really don't want to develop Zeb as it's not the direction I want to go in. But I realize many people love it and want to play on it. I intend on finding a person who will give it a very good and stable home. Meaning having the proper equipment, knowledge and "devotion".

I am bit stoned at the moment. I will edit later

edit: If I don't find a host able, I will get together another pc and host the server permanently. Can't promise much will go into development for a while but it will be there. I have a fios connection with a nice upload speed. Will be a few weeks when get layed off

[onurisgfx]

Is server down again? Don't see it on server list.

[manc]

Originally Posted by onurisgfx

Is server down again? Don't see it on server list.

it seems the server will only be up when the host wants it to be up

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by manc

it seems the server will only be up when the host wants it to be up

Well, in that respect, that is their right. As bad as I feel for players who invest time in p/t servers, there's not much you can do but play one of the servers you know isn't going anywhere - like Grand Creation.

[Amra]

The server is or was down due to (I believe) my motherboard crapping out. It's old and ready for an upgrade. This system has been slowly dying for a while. It will be fixed in about a month. Unfortunately, that's the best I can do right now.

As for it being up only when I want it up. That is very true. And in my right (as john said) being that it is my computer and connection that I pay for. I do my best to keep it running. I certainly don’t shut it down to be malicious. I am not at home all the time to restart the server. When these crashes occur it does not reboot but freezes. So there isn't a way to reboot it until I do it manually.

[whitetrash69]

hey amra could you send me a messa ge im intrested in getting a copy of the DB

[manc]

Anyone having problem login ?
It wont let me login today