Admin on Guildwars

Valdaor · #1 04-14-2003, 03:34 PM

Hello to everyone reading this message.. (Image needs to see this)

One of the admins on Guildwars is really pissed off, it's the April 15th. He got pissed off at me because a bugg has occured, known as the regenerate health bugg. He reckoned that I shouldn't beable to kill a lion at level 14, but then he said I can kill an asp, but one problem, ASP is the same level as a Lion. So I commented back to him and he went very psycho. I think he wasn't using his pills and he has made my character "Spawn, die, Spawn, Die..." So now I can't even use that character. I think his name was Delvhart or something, if you know him, Image please do something, make him keep calm, you run the server, not him and he seems to be running under stress at the moment and also please fix me, I am really dissapointed in this GM.

Thanks, James (Valdaor)

killspree · #2 04-15-2003, 01:38 AM

He probably saw you killing a lion patriarch, which is not the same level as an asp if I recall.

zaq · #3 04-15-2003, 04:39 AM

So he used a bug. That warrents some loser that cant seperate his reailty from a game going nutts on someone?

I see it so much, you stick some immature loser on a server as a Gm and he gets on a power trip. Disagree with said GM? haha, he summons you then begins to cuss you out, make threats how he will ban you, and kills you a few times.

Thats one of the reasons i wont donate to this project, because even something as small as your opinion has made some of the "Loser" GMs go crazy, they snap on you like you are sub human.

I assume anywhere you have the word "Hacker" you have losers showing up to make a rep and get some respect. (probly dont get it in the real world?)

If you watch people in IRC you will notice the truly skilled programmers/devs(Hogie, pyro, image and such) they dont act like this, but take the wanna be's looking for said respect and they do everything they can to seem ever so tuff.

The emlator is great, but ego freaks can ruin it for others.

Guess i'm ranting...

Edit: Yeah. i've herd it before, if you dont like it leave. (for those that wanna reply with that well thought out statement)

Edgar1898 · #4 04-15-2003, 05:45 AM

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Thats one of the reasons i wont donate to this project, because even something as small as your opinion has made some of the "Loser" GMs go crazy, they snap on you like you are sub human.

I dont understand your reasoning there, you wont support a project that is giving you the ability to play on someone else's server, because you dont agree with the person running the free server? The project doesnt control how a server is managed, so you wont support the project...why? Thats like saying that you wont support Apache because someone runs a website that you dont care for and the server admin just happens to use Apache.

That reasoning makes no sense......

danm · #5 04-15-2003, 05:47 AM

consider it a cheap lesson in reality.

the GM has the power. you treat him with disrepect at your risk.

That doesn't mean he was right, it just means you are NOT going to win a fight with him. If you really believe that he was out of line, take some screen shots, or log if possible(do the log commands work for players on emu?), and pass along the complete info to someone further along the line.

I don't know the whole story, but I was on the server when this happend. After 20 or so "don't abuse the regen bug or we will BAN you" broadcasts, how in the WORLD did you think the GMs might not be touchy about it? again -- I am not saying that you WERE abusing regen, just that plain common sense indicates that the GMs are going to be pissed if they think you are. And that you are not going to want to be a smartass if they come after you about it.

If you really, honestly, were not doing anything abusive, then I feel sorry for you. When people with power get angry, sometimes innocent folk get crapped on. That's life. Suck it up, and move on. Posting to the boards (once) explaining your experience is not out of line. With luck, the GMs will double-check their data and make sure that their actions were fair.

If you WERE deliberately cheating, and got busted, and are now whining about it, then hahahahah! sucks to you.

if (as I suspect is the case) the situation was a grey area, and you believed you were behaving correctly, and the GM believed you to be cheating, then you need to recognize that your ONLY chance to avoid punishment is to convince the GM to see things your way. You might want to carefully examine exactly how you "commented back to him"... you might find the reason for his "psycho" behavior right there.

danm

zaq · #6 04-15-2003, 06:09 AM

I see no error with my reasoning. I've been snapped on harcore for not agreeing with a GM about wich class is the best on the emulator, i was chain killed, and cussed out in /OOC. I see it as this, when the project wants support, then the project should make sure it has MATURE people watching the servers.

EDIT: I only play on FH or Image's server. So thats why i see no error in my reasoning, they are devs and i tihnk their server should have more Mature Gms.

Sorry, but i dont find some angry immature person that has issues with reailty worthy of my cash. A bad GM on FH or Image's server reflects on the server owner.

Heres how i would have delt with a cheater. Since i have a grip on reality and know this is a game, but yet know rules must be followed to keep balance, i would have sent him a tell that hes busted, and if this server supports it a 30 min ban. If it seems lieka grey area i would have gave him a warning. No need to go crazy.

And to danm, why would a GM be pissed if he caught someone cheating? Remember as i stated, this is a game, and yes rules must be followed for balance. Temp ban the first time cheaters and perma ban the repeat cheaters, nothing personal, he cheated the game, not you. No need to be angry, he simply exploited a bug, we all have done this.

a_Guest03 · #7 04-15-2003, 06:47 AM

Ummm, just because the dev "owns" the server doesn't mean that they control it. My mom can't be responsible for how her tenants act in her apartment building unless they cause damages. She doesn't discipline them for being rude. She isn't there all the time.

EDIT: removed flame, isn't necessary

Your "won't donate" comment sounds like an excuse. Image, Hogie, killspree, BaronSprite, khuong, Lethal_Encounter, Trump, etc. etc. etc. all work very hard to give us the ability to run servers. Image worked very hard on creating his server and its content. Hogie has bills that must be paid that stem DIRECTLY from eqemu. All the devs have hundreds of hours of time donated to the project. If you let one GM, or even 50 GMs spoil donating, then you're missing the point of donating. The donations go ONLY to Hogie, who foots most of the bills, who dedicates personal resources to this project, who has a family to support. If you want bannings and bugs to go away, along with jerky GMs, then donate! The sooner they get this stuff squared away, the sooner we get out of the package installers, with complete database packages... Perhaps I'm wasting words.

Your comment about not donating sounds like you're justifying not donating because of a crime of a third party that may or may not have happened -> I didn't hear your example, only that a GM might go crazy. Excuses... Instead, just say "I don't like bad GMs. (cite example here with enough details that we don't dismiss it as a rumor)."

As for 'Thats one of the reasons i wont donate to this project, because even something as small as your opinion has made some of the "Loser" GMs go crazy, they snap on you like you are sub human.' , I use the "I could bring more (insert revenue type here) if you would just (insert condition that would make me happy)." gag on people all the time. It's just that, though, a gag.

Anyway, if you want to dog Image's server, cite an example with names of a situation that would turn you off so much. With examples and witnesses, logs, etc, Image might just do something about it. But he probably has known his GM longer than you. I bet he'd trust the GM. Generalities sway the opinions of people who don't know better. Details will bring a guilty party to light.

If you really value a server enough to donate money, how much would you donate, and under what conditions? Most people here won't donate anyway, whether the servers rule or not. Why pay for free, right? It's FREEEEE! It's free to you and me, but not Hogie; Image has to give up some of his bandwidth... He could switch to modem and save $30/mo.

Nothing is free. Donate whether the servers suck or not.

zaq · #8 04-15-2003, 07:35 AM

Wrong, you think i need an excuse not to donate. I dont. When that stock clerk at wal mart drops a 50lb box on your head and breaks your neck who do you sue? WalMart...

When a dev owned server picsk a GM who flaged their account to GM status? The dev... When they new GM becomes a total asshole whos fault is it? The devs for poor screening...

Yes the money goes to Hogie, and the problem i listed in my last post happend on Hogies server.

a few days ago we were talking on FH about the serve going legit, a GM butted in and told us if we dont like it leave. I said we jsut talking and giveing our opinions. Then he returned, i can kick you off this server if i want to. Nice huh?

And really, im just one guy, im sure there are many more that will take the abuse. Not me.

Remember, im staing my veiws, why would you even have flames to edit out? because you dont like it when people state their veiws?

Thats one fo the key problems with folks in the so called "Hacker/exploiter" side of the net. Heh, all about giving props?

Im done with this thread.

a_Guest03 · #9 04-15-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zaq

Wrong, you think i need an excuse not to donate. I dont. When that stock clerk at wal mart drops a 50lb box on your head and breaks your neck who do you sue? WalMart...

When a dev owned server picsk a GM who flaged their account to GM status? The dev... When they new GM becomes a total asshole whos fault is it? The devs for poor screening...

First of all, "50 lb box on your head and breaks your neck who do you sue? Walmart..." involves DAMAGES. No such damages were thrust upon you. Having your account removed, banned, your character taken - these are the rights of the person who controls the PC, with some rights delegated to GMs. You are still here, still connecting to the server, etc. etc. Last I checked, Image wasn't required to even give you access to his server, nor write the code that runs it, nor babysit his GMs. If you donated, bust his chops, yell at the GM, whatever. You might have some clout with him. Image and the other devs owe you nothing.

If you want a server where you can do whatever you want, when you want, with whomever you want, you can HAVE IT! That's the beauty of the emulator. Run it at home, and avoid the GMs. Drawde has a wonderful database. The software is pretty sweet. It's free if you want to take it. What I'm saying is that the EMULATOR is what you'd be donating towards, not the individual servers. If you want to challenge the fact that donating is a good thing still, I'd like to hear your excuse.

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Originally Posted by zaq

Remember, im staing my veiws, why would you even have flames to edit out? because you dont like it when people state their veiws?

"because you dont like it when people state their veiws" seems like a flame to me. It is a direct attack at my personal character, based on something I didn't even do; I refrained from doing it. I took that kind of stuff out because it sounded defensive and childish. I was hoping you'd listen to the facts.

danm · #10 04-15-2003, 11:15 AM

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why would a GM be pissed if he caught someone cheating?

Because it is a LEGIT server. if this were a hack server, I would agree.

Because he had Specifically and Repeatedly told them not to do EXACTLY what this fellow was acused of doing. Immediately before "catching" him doing it.

Because I suspect (I have no way of knowing the actual conversation) that the original poster replied with information that was verifiably incorrect, and with an inflammitory (sp) attitude.

all good reasons to be pissed. Not that being pissed should lead to inappropriate behavior, even for a GM, of course.

I just don't see how killing the bum a few times is worse than banning him... maybe I'm just psycho tho.

danm

Valdaor · #11 04-15-2003, 04:28 PM

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Isn't Guildwars a public server? "Yes" I think it is. So what are you going on about, Edgar. Wasn't this server open to all players to beta test? If it wasn't I imagine it would be locked 24/7. But GMs are suppose to respect other players using kind manners, not psycho foul language. Some of these GMs seem to be running a bumpy life style. Like they're being bullied at school/work and then they come to the server with a lot of stress on their hands. This isn't an every day issue to everyone, but we don't need GMs acting like little 12 year olds. Anyway it looks like Guildwars has been taken down for good because of that regeneration bugg *just a rumour going round* Someone told me it wasn't fixable because it had something to do with the client.. That's all I go to say for now..
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Crythen · #12 04-15-2003, 06:36 PM

Valdaor;

Stop spreading around crap like 'GW is down for good' if it's "just a rumor you heard".

Read Image's post, it's not down permanently, just down and will be back up at an 'undesclosed' date, meaning any time Image feels like it. Don't start spreading crap about it being permanently down unless you hear it from IMAGE himself. I can't stress enough how bad saying stuff like that is. It leads to misinformed people, which leads to annoying arguments, which leads to childish flames over the boards that I will inevitably end up reading out of sheer boredom, only to end up shoving an icepick through my left temple to try and null the throbbing pain I get from reading the BS people spew out onto forums. <breath>

Die. :twisted:

zaq · #13 04-16-2003, 04:51 AM

Oh, let me add i do NOT know Valdaor in ANY way shape OR form. And im not down on Hogie or image, just saying how i felt about bad GMs.

Again, i do NOT know Valdaor, incase some of you thought i might be backing him

eq-chris · #14 04-16-2003, 05:22 AM

In case anyone needs a lesson in why the human race is doomed, this thread is it.

Trumpcard · #15 04-16-2003, 06:03 AM

I think we need to straighten out the ways the tiers around here work...

There is the core development for the project, and core services. Login server, forums, eqemu development, etc, that Hogie,image, LE,Big, Quagmire, and I work on, that have nothing to do with the servers themselves. We have no control over what people do with the software, how they manage them, and what content they put in them. If you have a problem with a GM on a server, I'm sorry to say that you have no recourse as you're not paying a dime for the service. The fact is that there are plenty of immature, young, and inexperienced people that play on the servers, and we have no way of controling that, nor is it our right too. Even if it is on FH, which may be hosted on Hogies network, but that he has 0 intervention in. It is not HOGIES server, he just provides the services for it to run.

As far as not donating to the project, no one is required to donate, but to make the statement that 'I wont donate because someone on a server was mean to me' , when in fact that has nothing to do with the project itself is a bit on the blindside.

It really does sound like random reasoning for why you won't donate, if you don't want to donate , thats fine, but dont come up with reasons for not helping support the development of the emulator because you don't like someone's attitude thats not even involved in the development.

If you don't want to help support the continued life of eqemu, thats fine, but dont expect us to support you either.. So when your email address and ip's get banned accidently, don't expect any help from us. (Just kidding, I'd never do that, but some of the more immature people you were referring too might...LOL...)