first sorry for the doulbe post, internet delayed there and i didnt think it went thru, 
 
 
second i did just find out the problem and you are correct again.  i just found a explanation that mail and chat are using the same port.  once i changed them both to 10234, it worked like a charm. 
 
thanks again for the help, was very usefull. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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