server critics (new idea)

[Woodlife Treestrider]

I know what your trying to say. I also had thought about that before it was mentioned. I knew there would be bad reviews, but I was hoping that the maturity of this community would help in keeping that down. But, in the end, its the decision of the people who do it. If you want to submit one, there's nothing in keeping you from doing it. Just please keep in mind that their are real people behind the servers and it would appreciated if you atleast control yourself.

About the issue with retaliation from the server and/or site ops, I disagree to a point. I agree that no one wants to get stuck with that kind of situation, but I also said in my first post that I would only bother with investigating the problem further if their was evidence of a server/site admin abusing authority based on their emotional state. Here would be an example: Player_A sends PM to Admin_A saying that ServerOP_A banned them from their server and is harrasing him with PMs and while in IRC. Admin_A would then ask Player_A for evidence, such as forwarding PMs and/or saving conversations in IRC. Then, if the Admin believes the evidence is true, then you would go from there. That's just an example, and, whether you believe it or not, a lot of the problems would be in a form like this. Either that, or maybe a player is being harrased by GMs and players on a server, and the player would just take screenshots of the conversations on the server. I mean, its pretty simple, and for anyone who claims they were being harrased but cannot provide very simple, yet very strong evidence, then I would expect nothing more of the site GM then to just ignore it, because theirs no point in getting involved.

I understand the above sounds like a lot of trouble to go through, so if you don't want to do it, then whatever. Im not gonna beg you to do it. Im just letting you know that it would most likely not be a very complicated job, it's just most of the site admins for EqEmu either don't have the time or don't want to.

Finally, about the server ops getting upset by the critisicm is kind of stupid. In my opinion, if you can't take someone not liking your view of things then you shouldn't have a server. Someone who sends in a critisicm, whether it be good or WAY out of line, about a server should tell the GM something. If the GM really cares about his server and his players, then he would take a moment and read the critisicm and if their is a problem about his server that more than just the poster pointed out, it is a GREAT oppurtunity for the GM to correct it, or address it. Cause what I have noticed, as in EQLive, suggestions made my players is either ignored or rejected without further looking into it. With a forum type deal, the players can post in reply to the critisicm, either aggreeing or disaggreeing. I understand that people get hurt when their creations, or their hardwork, is shot down. That is where I ask the players of this community to please act mature.

That's about all their is to answer. If you don't like the idea, then just say so. That's all I wanted.

P.S.: an example of a "bad" critique of someones idea or creation would be the post above this. Im not at all mad at the the guy, I like that at least some people are still alive on these boards. But instead of getting emotional and just starting a flame war, you just gotta learn to learn from the post.

[RangerDown]

I was hoping that the maturity of this community would help in keeping that down

Don't let the posting population fool you -- the regulars on these forums are pretty mature, but that doesn't represent the community as a whole. It's got its ladies and gentlemen and its got its jackasses. And those jackasses will surely come out of the woodwork at the opportunity to bash a server -- especially if they have some personal issue with the server op there.

If you haven't done so, I recommend visiting IRC and joining a few channels -- use /list and join several of the most populated channels. Once you've spent some time listening to what goes on in those channels, come back here and talk about your faith in the maturity of the community

would be an example: Player_A sends PM to Admin_A saying that ServerOP_A banned them from their server and is harrasing him with PMs and while in IRC.

Action could very well be taken in this instance. If it is, it's because harassing another IRC user in general is not something that is tolerated on the IRC network. The admin handling your issue won't know, and will only marginally care, about what your prior relationship to this person was.

Suppose the server op didn't harass you in PM's, but only banned you from the server and possibly banned you from the server's IRC channel. I would be the first to outwardly decry the decision of any IRC operator who took it upon themselves to get involved in that issue.

P.S.: an example of a "bad" critique of someones idea or creation would be the post above this . . . But instead of getting emotional and just starting a flame war . . .

I'd be contradicting myself if I didn't let you have an opinion on my last post, so have your opinion. As far as getting emotional, I never felt any hate, resentment, or -- as the pastor of the church whose office I was working in at the time I posted this would say -- any "high octane ping" when I posted this response. I simply laid out what I felt this could lead to. Not to say a server critique wouldn't provide a benefit to the community -- it would, but at what price?

If you want to see emotional, check out http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18744

Originally Posted by Fathernitwit

It is posts like this that make us want to close off development and not release public versions until they are release quality, which could be close to never. Dont post shit like this, it pisses us off. We didnt tell you to use 6.1, you chose to pull it from development CVS and employ it... take it up with Sony if you dont like the way shit is working, they are the ones that broke it.

This is a member of the eqemu dev team responding to a post that said "Just be glad you can even play at this point, 6.1 is the buggiest version to date." Fact: most server operators put their servers up because they want to see enjoyment of their product. Same reason devs continue to code eqemu. As you can see above, when they get blasted with negative criticism time and time again, it wears them down.

Anyways, that's enough post for one round. Heading to bed

[Woodlife Treestrider]

Originally Posted by RangerDown

I'd be contradicting myself if I didn't let you have an opinion on my last post, so have your opinion. As far as getting emotional, I never felt any hate, resentment, or -- as the pastor of the church whose office I was working in at the time I posted this would say -- any "high octane ping" when I posted this response. I simply laid out what I felt this could lead to. Not to say a server critique wouldn't provide a benefit to the community -- it would, but at what price?

If you want to see emotional, check out http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18744

I know, I wasn't saying you were trying to rant or anything. Just saying that when you post an opinion, not everyone is gonna like it. So, instead of taking it personally, just learn from it. Im not trying to flame you, either. I don't care if you guys use this thing. I have been bored for awhile and this thought popped in my noggin, and sounded like it may be kind of interesting and useful. Obviously, the oppurtunities of abuse exceed the oppurtunities for assitance, I figured I would still lay the idea out there.

Also, I know what your talking about about the people who don't post but would come out of the woodwork. I was just not expecting that to be a problem worth addressing. And I have been in IRC alot, you may know me. Im Orknel, this name was the name I first signed up with. It was my druid from live, so I was attached. But anyway, thats beside the point.

So, use this at your will. I don't really care. I was just hoping that some of the more respected members f the community might like it, and be forward about helping. But, you do point out some good issues. Once again, use at your will, but anyone does use this, please stay polite.