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General::General Discussion General discussion about EverQuest(tm), EQEMu, and related topics.
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06-27-2005, 07:35 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Has anyone that played on WR server been on the IRC channel? I've been looking for more info as to where the situation currently stands. Been on the channel wiz put out but havent seen anyone there.
http://67.15.24.48/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4449
Unfortunately the tone of this IRC blog suggests Wiz is using this as a way to springboard into their new project, and are not expressing much interest in protecting WR for future development. This is a shame because there are many of us who've been developing characters on WR for over a year.
A huge part of the appeal of WR was all the fond memories of playing EQ. A new custom game(with new artwork) will be sorely lacking in the nostalgia department.
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06-27-2005, 07:38 PM
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Dragon
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 776
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I'm glad you feel that way, it's a shame you don't realize the possible legal reprocussions faced by continuing with the server.
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06-27-2005, 07:42 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6
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I'm glad you feel that way, it's a shame you don't realize the possible legal reprocussions faced by continuing with the server.
Could you clarify that please? How are any of the EQ emu sites different in this regard? Also, why have previous legal challenges failed on the grounds that the EQ client is owned by the player after purchase? Is this suddenly insufficient protection from the lawyer monsters?
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06-27-2005, 07:46 PM
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Dragon
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 776
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You're better off asking WR admins that rather than speculating.
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06-27-2005, 07:48 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3
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Originally Posted by greg_boz
I'm glad you feel that way, it's a shame you don't realize the possible legal reprocussions faced by continuing with the server.
Could you clarify that please? How are any of the EQ emu sites different in this regard? Also, why have previous legal challenges failed on the grounds that the EQ client is owned by the player after purchase? Is this suddenly insufficient protection from the lawyer monsters?
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you're ignorant to the fact sony has lawyers working for them (ie- it costs them nothing to hire lawyers) who can and will take it to court, regardless of if they're right or wrong. do you personally want to pay for winter's roar's defense? didn't think so. |
06-27-2005, 07:56 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6
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you're ignorant to the fact sony has lawyers working for them (ie- it costs them nothing to hire lawyers) who can and will take it to court, regardless of if they're right or wrong. do you personally want to pay for winter's roar's defense? didn't think so.
None of us are ignorant of that fact. What I have been is blissfully ignorant of the fact that I live in a world where anyone at any time can be accused, indicted, and found guilty of anything provided there's enough money involved.
Are things like laws, jury and judge just a figment of the past? It's terribly sad that the 'good guys' are too scared to stand up for what they believe in.
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06-27-2005, 10:18 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3
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Originally Posted by greg_boz
[i]Are things like laws, jury and judge just a figment of the past? It's terribly sad that the 'good guys' are too scared to stand up for what they believe in.
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unfortunately they require a lot of money in scenarios similar to this... it's also obvious sony does not care in the least regarding hostile emails and phone calls from pissed off x-customers, so there's really not a hell of a lot which can be done if it does get brought to court.
if it doesn't and everything reads out ok, i wouldn't mind seeing winter's roar handed down to someone else if Wiz would like to dedicate his time in full to his new project. |
06-28-2005, 12:37 AM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Greg_Boz,
I wonder who has more invested into Winters Roar?
You with your 1 year of play, or Wiz?
Perhaps you should just thank him for the good time he provided to you, and move on if you think his new project is of no merit.
Others don't agree with you, and I think your post is way on the self-centered me, me, me side of things.
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06-28-2005, 03:40 AM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3
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Originally Posted by greg_boz
you're ignorant to the fact sony has lawyers working for them (ie- it costs them nothing to hire lawyers) who can and will take it to court, regardless of if they're right or wrong. do you personally want to pay for winter's roar's defense? didn't think so.
None of us are ignorant of that fact. What I have been is blissfully ignorant of the fact that I live in a world where anyone at any time can be accused, indicted, and found guilty of anything provided there's enough money involved.
Are things like laws, jury and judge just a figment of the past? It's terribly sad that the 'good guys' are too scared to stand up for what they believe in.
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Individuals often don't have the money to hire lawyers for civil courts... |
06-28-2005, 05:31 AM
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Discordant
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 266
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Originally Posted by acaylian
you're ignorant to the fact sony has lawyers working for them (ie- it costs them nothing to hire lawyers) who can and will take it to court, regardless of if they're right or wrong. do you personally want to pay for winter's roar's defense? didn't think so.
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But do realize that Sony does have an image to maintain and taking every tom, dick and harry to court over every minor detail and losing would hurt them in the long run. I'm not saying all cases will lose but they're not that egotistical to just throw away money and their image on every nobody out there. Investers do look at how a company handles their legal matters too.
I'm just replying to this one quote, and not agreeing that WR should just throw the site up and not worry about Sony, btw. Scare tactics my friend, scare tactics.....  |
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07-04-2005, 10:40 AM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 15
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Originally Posted by greg_boz
Has anyone that played on WR server been on the IRC channel? I've been looking for more info as to where the situation currently stands. Been on the channel wiz put out but havent seen anyone there.
http://67.15.24.48/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4449
Unfortunately the tone of this IRC blog suggests Wiz is using this as a way to springboard into their new project, and are not expressing much interest in protecting WR for future development. This is a shame because there are many of us who've been developing characters on WR for over a year.
A huge part of the appeal of WR was all the fond memories of playing EQ. A new custom game(with new artwork) will be sorely lacking in the nostalgia department.
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The chance of a loss in court is considerable, and even if we DO win, we'll still have blown more money than the lot of us have combined on lawyers. We're sorry you don't want to join us on Dawntide, but considering I lose four level 65s and over 1200 AAs across them on a server where experience comes slower than on Live, not to mention my personal contributions to the server development and all the hours I put in both as a player and GM and for the community, you have no right to shit on us for trying to protect our asses from a corporation like Sony who can sue us till we don't have pants to cover them.
It's so easy to say you should stand up for what you believe in when it isn't your financial future that's on the line for EverQuest. |
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07-05-2005, 10:58 AM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2
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Dawntide?
So what is Dawntide? Can you give me any info?
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07-19-2005, 01:20 AM
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Hill Giant
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Felwithe
Posts: 192
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