Items requiring components

[Zuesrooster]

Hrmm, that makes it a little trickier. I did some more research and you are correct there are a total of about 37 items that cast spells that should use regents. Some don't use the regents like Shell Trimmed Bracer. While other items like the two you mentioned as well as others like Diamond Rod do use components. I really couldn't find anything that would determine if it uses components or not. I also noticed that everything in eqemu says it uses components even stuff I remember doesn't like the lev rings. Anyone have any idea?

[vales]

I think to simplify all of the items out there with having spell effects, they just made it so it requires components. Procs like Anger or Time Snap are much easier to implement, though.

You're right about the ring.
Here it is on Lucy and here it is on 13th Floor.

Now I'm confused as well, hehe. I think it's better to just have the items require components for now, unless there's a way to work your way around it. But that would require resubmitting all of the items on 13th floor again. But then again, there are some spells that do levitate without components like Levitation (Shaman). Maybe we can just have it work that way? Uber weapons should require components. I found some people exploiting this and it gets on my nerves. They should be able to afford the components anyway at that level.

But what would happen if one were to proc with a weapon that needs components and you don't have any? Would the rest of their spells "grey out" like they do when you cast a spell without the required component? Can it be a passive "you do not have the required components" message? On retail, you would get that message with the component in parenthesis. "You do not have the required components for this spell (Bloodstone)." Did they change that?

This is getting pretty interesting.

[Zuesrooster]

I did a bit more comparing of items I know that don

[vales]

I think all procs and clickies that require components should require them.

That sounds much better with how you're doing it. What about the procs for weapons? Is the code going to reflect thsi as well? Some weapons are procs and not clickies. But if you do change the code to reflect all items that require components, then will they just have to click the items to cast Rune on their sword?

If the answer is yes, then by all means I agree with it. It's better to have players click items and use a component rather than have them do battle and proc the effect without a component. This way, at least they're using components rather than getting away with a free Rune that procs every other hit. It's not like the mobs in the game drop generous amounts of plat anyway. I'm sure paying 8 plat per peridot wouldn't break their banks.

[Zuesrooster]

NO, I'm saying that the only items that should not require component's are those that are already limited by how many charges of the spell they have. All the items I found that should require components but don't on lucy all had a limited number of charges. All other items that are unlimited click or proc should use components.

[vales]

Ah, ok. That makes more sense. Carry on then. I'm actually anticipating the release.

[EmanonCow]

On live, insta-cast and proc clickies do not consume components.

Clicky items with a casting time do use components.

Possibly charged items don't use components.

Ideally, one would want to be able to pick if a given item used components. This dosen't seem to be all that practical.