Blacklist of Cheaters/Hackers

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by EliteSting

I know it's going to be a pita , but Ill say it anyway ... maybe if the section was limited to server op's it would cut down on the QC aspect , rather then having it in the general public.

I was just thinking of what a maintenance nightmare this would be. The forum admins job would become unbearable... do you know how many servers come and go? While it would be great, I am not sure it's something they'd be interested in doing. Unless, somehow, it was tied to the account that sets up a server - but then, anyone could go setup a server, gain access, and see what the secret society is saying.

Lose:Lose scenario, I am afraid. Maybe someone offsite from eqemulator.net could host something like this? I could, but even I am not that interested in changing access every week.

[GeorgeS]

Actually this would be easy for me since I could code a .NET FTP program with write access that would update the list whenever anyone ran the program with a notepad full of data. If you want something like this coded let me know.

Only server ops will have access to the program password to update it.

GeorgeS

[sdabbs65]

Originally Posted by GeorgeS

Actually this would be easy for me since I could code a .NET FTP program with write access that would update the list whenever anyone ran the program with a notepad full of data. If you want something like this coded let me know.

Only server ops will have access to the program password to update it.

GeorgeS

Good Idea....
Seeing anything like this actually working would be impossable to maintain
because of the abuse most of the players maintain thuout Servers.
Most anyone can boot up a shard and say there a servop.
I recommend they have a shard up at least 2 years to access the database
with Verified web site to boot.
I have always used disallow there IP from accesing the server box.
and it seems to work out good but they still hit my webserver untill I ban them there 2.

[Darkonig]

Hackers and cheaters? Making the game enjoyable or making it a nightmare? These are not necessarily related topics. Hackers are an essential part of the emulator. If it were not for hackers, the eqemu would not exist. Those who dig into the inner workings to find out what makes them tick and then incorporate those ideas into the emulator are a necessity.

It is possible, and I experienced it on live even, for someone who is neither a hacker nor a cheater to make the game unenjoyable for others, by hogging spawns, training, harrassing. All it takes is a selfish attitude and a login. This kind of behavior is irrespective of if a player is a hacker or cheater.

When you talk about should hackers and cheaters be banned, what exactly are you talking about and how do you identify it is taking place?

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by Darkonig

Hackers are an essential part of the emulator. If it were not for hackers, the eqemu would not exist. Those who dig into the inner workings to find out what makes them tick and then incorporate those ideas into the emulator are a necessity.

Interesting point. However, to not squabble over symantics, I am sure everyone who comprehends the language understands what the "nitty gritty" of this topic is all about - griefers, or people who find ways to exploit the system to an end that unbalances the overall "fairness" of the server.

But I'm certain you already knew that.

/rant on

Todays sociaty sees 2 diferent set of people.

Hackers = Those trying to make life worse for others, finding issues with code and exploiting them for there own gain, and to make things worse for others.

Crackers = People who find the faults in code to fix them or make others aware, those out to improve the lives of others.

We want hackers out and crackers in, and as stated above you already knew this and just posts to gt a rise outa people.

/rant off

[Richardo]

Curse those cheaters! They've made a mockery of us all!!! I say we strike back!!! Pillage the farms! Rape their Characters! and vote Richardo Presedent!


Edit: Just an idea, I haven't read the whole thread but... Why don't you guys create a 3rd party blacklist?...

For example..

Create a mysql driven website that holds a large compendium of banned players. Each server admin will have access (after proving ownership or however you would allow access) and everyone would pitch in bans (ONLY for cheaters, not for own personal reasons) and every 2 - 3 weeks you can update a large SQL file that people can source into their databases for banlist.

And pardon me for being late but I haven't played with eqemu in months.. Is there a command to ban IPs yet? If not.. Write one.. Sure you can ban them from your server, but it would simplify things just to add a command :p

[RangerDown]

I don't believe there is an IP ban command in yet (though I'd like to see one too), but just a quick tip: most OS's now come with built-in firewall features; if necessary, you could use those to block IP's.

[EliteSting]

Originally Posted by sdabbs65

Good Idea....
Seeing anything like this actually working would be impossable to maintain
because of the abuse most of the players maintain thuout Servers.
Most anyone can boot up a shard and say there a servop.
I recommend they have a shard up at least 2 years to access the database
with Verified web site to boot.
I have always used disallow there IP from accesing the server box.
and it seems to work out good but they still hit my webserver untill I ban them there 2.

I agree with 99% of that , but being a young server ( Jest has only been around for the past 6-7 months ) we have had our fair share of idiots. I think maybe 1 year may be sufficient , with a verified website.

Driz.

[Gameross]

Rather see more effort in making the game better.

[Darkonig]

Ok, wasn't going for semantic argument. I am really not sure in which category you would put something like running macroquest to help operate a group of characters vs playing one character only. I've read posts eluding both ways on the site and hear tales of some using macroquest to field entire raids. I am not currently running macroquest but am working on getting it set up. I intend to use it on my personal server but was also looking at using it on peq server because I have a couple friends who play on it and we can't always get on at the same time.

So. Macroquest used as an aid to multitasking... ok? or bad hacker go away?

Originally Posted by Darkonig

So. Macroquest used as an aid to multitasking... ok? or bad hacker go away?

Depends on the individual server owner.