generally frustrated :(

[techguy84]

Personally, I thought that after so many years on LIVE, I could not tolerate the same thing, so I wanted non-legit servers. After playing on them, I realized that is not what I want either. Then it hit me, I want a LIVE expiernce, but a accellerated one. Dont hand me End Game Stuff, let me earn it, but in a fraction of the time. Here in lies the issue that I had with the emulator. You can raise the xp rate and level faster, but your skills didnt take the same course. Next thing you know, your level 30 and your skills are 30, which sucks cause you cant cast or hit anything.

Ok, now for the topic de-rail, but I appoligize,

@erzengelb

I think you didnt look hard enough to find MySQL. I can go and download just about any older version right now at this very instance. Same goes with Perl also. You can not use MySQL 6 at the moment due to some sourcing issue in multiple tables, so you have to get a version circa 5.0.24-5.0.37 (only version I have confirmed, maybe more). Once you find that you should be a bit better off. I didnt direct link to files incase they change locations, I just showed you a general area to go. PM me if you have any questions about this and I will be more than glad to help you out.

[leslamarch]

I just need to add something, out of all the replies gotten on this topic Everyone was helpful and Sympathetic. That is just amazing, with a post like this on any other emu site there would have been 200 flames. This is just a great community of people here.
Thanks so much for all the help
LL

[sfisque]

i have to agree. on a whim, i tried building a WoW emu server, and after trying two different avenues and coming up empty, i realized eqemu is light years ahead of other emu projects.

and its not because we have better tech, better dev, or better code.

its because we have a better community. when something breaks, someone steps up and tries to fix it. i didnt get that impression with them. i walked away with the feeling that if you werent inside the "cool kids clique" you were out of luck. i dont get that here.

anyone who steps in here and flames about support can "suck it". the wealth of info in the wiki, in the forums, in the irc, and in the source is immense. if you cant find help/info here, you didnt look. period.

/applaud everyone in the eqemu community

== sfisque

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by sfisque

i have to agree. on a whim, i tried building a WoW emu server, and after trying two different avenues and coming up empty, i realized eqemu is light years ahead of other emu projects.

Actually, I have to disagree here. No offense to those still maintaining EQEmu, but the WoW Emulators (http://www.emupedia.com - Antrix, specifically) have so much effort behind it, and it supports current client so people are not having to maintain multiple copies of their clients just to try different emulators. I feel the WoWEmu dev community is far more advanced than EQEmu merely by numbers involved. There are 100's of developers world-wide that tweak, mod, enhance, both the core and database. We have what, 4 people here that do it, and only when they have a chance? Again, no offense meant. It's the reality that this game (EQ) is fairly out dated, and only die hards like us are interested in it anymore. WoW is a phenomenon like no other... you have to admit that. And I don't even like the game, personally.

Example, I have never played a single minute of WoW. But, I took the Antrix source, load the project into VS2005, hit compile, loaded my DB, and played. Within 2 hours. Now, I host a private server (added to my collection muhaha) and love it. Btw, if you think the EQEmu community has some retarded members... try wading through the WoWEmu support forums. Holy Gods, that's painful.



Editorial Time:
What the EQEmu community is lacking is "interest". Sure there's dozens of newbies that come along monthly that want to setup a server. They beg for help, but most point them to the Wiki, which is a disaster in itself. Thank god for the newer document projects like Techguy's and a few others.

EQEmu needs current client compatibility. Why doesn't it? Because the only brave souls willing to keep maintaining the code do not have the time (or interest) in "chasing live". This is an effect of there being so few devs involved. If we had 100 devs world-wide, chasing live would be effortless. So do not blame our dev team for halting compatibility at Titanium.

EQEmu *does* need a repack, but the old schoolers are so arrogant they think Joe-Admin should learn how to disect IP packets just to earn the privilege to run their precious emulator. This thing is so out-dated and incomplete, it's laughable to make people waste so much time learning when they can try, and quit, all within a few days instead of months of begging for help. Again, thanks for Cavedude's original server pack for attempting to make things easier - but it could be taken one step further by making it a completely pre-configured, brainless, effortless package that you unzip, run, and login.

Anyway, the point here is that I feel this game (in general) is dying, because compared to some modern games, it's pretty ugly. I love Everquest, and I will probably play the live game until they shut down the last server. But with WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, and a few other emulators cropping up, this project either needs a jump-start, or it's just not going to be worth anyones time anymore.

[sfisque]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Example, I have never played a single minute of WoW. But, I took the Antrix source, load the project into VS2005, hit compile, loaded my DB, and played. Within 2 hours. Now, I host a private server (added to my collection muhaha) and love it. Btw, if you think the EQEmu community has some retarded members... try wading through the WoWEmu support forums. Holy Gods, that's painful.

and... for those of us who use linux to host, the current build didnt compile. they even said so in the forum and that there was no targetted date for it to be fixed (that may have changed since then, but i was unimpressed). windoze isnt a viable hosting platform. anyone who thinks so, hasnt been hacked yet. yet. and the setup documentation was weak at best if you weren't targetting windows. at least to eqemu's credit, the linux support is quite well done. the product compiles out of the box without any strange dependencies, etc.

/shrug.

== sfisque

[techguy84]

John, I would quote your whole post, but thats a lot of words.

I have to agree with you 100%. What this project is lacking is dev's, but dev's are not going to flock to this because of the game itself. EQ is old, and by old I mean what, 8 years now this game has been out. That itself is where the problem lies. Nobody really wants to get into it as much as they used to because of its outdated looks, outdated combat system, outdated everything. Hell, if the dev's got on here tommorw and said the project is done, and they agree to drop it, I would not be supprised because of how old the product their emulating is.

I have to admit. When I looked at WoW, I cringed at its cartoon graphics, but the game has alot going for it. The combat system is like EQ2, meaing that you cant just push attack and walk away. The items are plentiful, and the amount of area in terms of explorability is enourmous. I picked it up, and played it, and I am impressed. By no means what I was origanlly with EQ, but lets face it, nothing will come close to what EQ did for everyone out there.

Antrix is awesome. It is very well built and very stable. I looked at one of the major private servers and they had upwards of 2000 people on it with minimal lag. Takes alot to get those numbers. Having to compile it sucked, and in terms of support, your better off asking your kids how to do it as emupedia is just nuts. I got it working though, with little knowledge I had of clicking buttons, sourced in my DB just like I would here, edit the config, and poof ready made server. One feature I like about Antrix is how it does the skill leveling. You can set your XP rate to like 20x and the skills will rise at the same pace so they dont get left behind.

I still love EqEmu, and EQ, but what holds me back is not the status of this emulator, but the game itself. I hate looking at those graphics when I just got done playing Oblivion.

Added Note: As far as how we have to chase live, and the WoW emu's dont, its mostly due to the fact that Blizzard distibutes thier changes in lump sums and they are downloadable from many websites. SOE doesnt do this. If you need a certain version of WoW, simply patch to that version and stop. Why can't sony do this for us, would be really nice of them lol.....

[GeorgeS]

Actually cavdudes installer is what I always use as a starting point and go from there. His program has always worked to help set up the database for me. I still really don't set up a MySQL database manually since errors can be hard to resolve.

But I do agree, we should move onward and not stay stuck at titanium, although not chasing live way back then was a godsend.

GeorgeS

[cavedude]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Again, thanks for Cavedude's original server pack for attempting to make things easier - but it could be taken one step further by making it a completely pre-configured, brainless, effortless package that you unzip, run, and login.

That's a great idea, I was planning on releasing a more up to date version of the installer. Perhaps I'll have two versions, one configurable, one not. That'll help new users get up and running quickly again.

As for how advanced EQEmu is in terms of compared to other emulators... My 2 cents is that while I agree Mangos/Antrix (both WoW) are both a bit more advanced than EQEmu, I have to say we are a solid 2nd. Antrix is in reality a fork of Mangos, they didn't start from scratch. Dawn of Light (Dark Age of Camelot) and L2J (Lineage II) are also excellent projects, but they seriously lack the network support the 3 projects above it have. The rest of the projects I have found simply lack the features to even compare. They are all partially playable at best.

The problem surrounding most of the projects is lack of interest. I personally blame WoW. Since it came along, it has drawn a lot of interest away from other online games, both live and emulated. EQ and EQEmu have it doubly bad because we have EQ2 to contend with as well. The one thing about EQEmu that I can say is that it has a never die attitude. Most other projects would have gone defunct by this point, but even at the worst times EQEmu continues on.

If EQEmu had the support that WoW and Pre-CU SWG emus have, we'd have a polished fully compatible live server by now, with a fully popped db to go with it. But, we have to just make do with what we do have and remember, considering a good portion of projects fail before they even get off the ground we have got it pretty good.