Some thoughts on XP, Drops, etc.

[John Adams]

I am so sick of hearing the tag "Classic" I am about to puke on my shirt. Seriously. This is getting really, really tiresome to read in every f'n post, guys. This emulator is written in such a way that you, the admin, can do any stinking thing you want with it -- including create your own worlds/zones from the ground up!! Who else offers that? Talk to me about unique experiences? How "EQ" is it to log into a new server who's admin just spent 6+ mos in OpenZone creating an entirely new experience? Most of the stodgy old farts around here turn their nose up at anything that isn't exactly like it was on Day 1. Screw that. I'm just so tired of hearing about "classic". It's dead. Move on.

Admins -- make your servers soloable. Make your servers single-group raid content. Move things around in a zone. Change the quests. Add custom items. Create an entirely new zone and surprise your population with something other than East Commons (c) SOE 1999-2007 when they zone in.

FFS people. You will NOT play an EQ Classic game like it was when the game was first released. You will NOT run at 1.0 speed from Freeport to Qeynos and think it's awesome. You will NOT think CRs to South Karana are "the shit old sk00l roXxOrz" when you forget you are bound in GFay and no one is around to transport you there. I am truly aghast by the delusions here.

No offense to Angelox, because I do understand fully where his heart is for EQ. But these are the days of the Buried Sea, not Kunark. Get the emulator to Emulate something in the last 5 years of expansions, then worry about whether someone can #summon an item or not and ruin the mystique.

[Sakrateri]

You will NOT run at 1.0 speed from Freeport to Qeynos and think it's awesome. You will NOT think CRs to South Karana are "the shit old sk00l roXxOrz" when you forget you are bound in GFay and no one is around to transport you there.

Errrr.......Umm........thats exactly how I play my OWN toons on my OWN server and it does roXx0rz for me

[John Adams]

I was speaking to the huddles masses, not the occasional sociopath.

~runs~

[Jonathan5]

Originally Posted by John Adams

I am so sick of hearing the tag "Classic" I am about to puke on my shirt. Seriously. This is getting really, really tiresome to read in every f'n post, guys. This emulator is written in such a way that you, the admin, can do any stinking thing you want with it -- including create your own worlds/zones from the ground up!! Who else offers that? Talk to me about unique experiences? How "EQ" is it to log into a new server who's admin just spent 6+ mos in OpenZone creating an entirely new experience? Most of the stodgy old farts around here turn their nose up at anything that isn't exactly like it was on Day 1. Screw that. I'm just so tired of hearing about "classic". It's dead. Move on.

Admins -- make your servers soloable. Make your servers single-group raid content. Move things around in a zone. Change the quests. Add custom items. Create an entirely new zone and surprise your population with something other than East Commons (c) SOE 1999-2007 when they zone in.

FFS people. You will NOT play an EQ Classic game like it was when the game was first released. You will NOT run at 1.0 speed from Freeport to Qeynos and think it's awesome. You will NOT think CRs to South Karana are "the shit old sk00l roXxOrz" when you forget you are bound in GFay and no one is around to transport you there. I am truly aghast by the delusions here.

No offense to Angelox, because I do understand fully where his heart is for EQ. But these are the days of the Buried Sea, not Kunark. Get the emulator to Emulate something in the last 5 years of expansions, then worry about whether someone can #summon an item or not and ruin the mystique.

Whoa there, whoa there.

[Wizzel]

Originally Posted by John Adams

I am so sick of hearing the tag "Classic" I am about to puke on my shirt. Seriously. This is getting really, really tiresome to read in every f'n post, guys. This emulator is written in such a way that you, the admin, can do any stinking thing you want with it -- including create your own worlds/zones from the ground up!! Who else offers that? Talk to me about unique experiences? How "EQ" is it to log into a new server who's admin just spent 6+ mos in OpenZone creating an entirely new experience? Most of the stodgy old farts around here turn their nose up at anything that isn't exactly like it was on Day 1. Screw that. I'm just so tired of hearing about "classic". It's dead. Move on.

Admins -- make your servers soloable. Make your servers single-group raid content. Move things around in a zone. Change the quests. Add custom items. Create an entirely new zone and surprise your population with something other than East Commons (c) SOE 1999-2007 when they zone in.

FFS people. You will NOT play an EQ Classic game like it was when the game was first released. You will NOT run at 1.0 speed from Freeport to Qeynos and think it's awesome. You will NOT think CRs to South Karana are "the shit old sk00l roXxOrz" when you forget you are bound in GFay and no one is around to transport you there. I am truly aghast by the delusions here.

No offense to Angelox, because I do understand fully where his heart is for EQ. But these are the days of the Buried Sea, not Kunark. Get the emulator to Emulate something in the last 5 years of expansions, then worry about whether someone can #summon an item or not and ruin the mystique.

To each his own. If a classic server is not for you, don't play on one. By classic, I mean classic. The game as it was. The game at its beginning was about so much more including strategy. Not only strategy by yourself, but strategy with others. Hrm...my party got killed in the middle of an orc camp by orcs 10 levels higher than us. How will we pull this off? Why don't we have the naked halfling kite them around while we loot our corpses and then help kill them. THAT WAS FUN. In today's game, nevermind that. Simply go into the guild hall and pay money to have your body dragged back. Simply click on a book to be moved across the world. Sorry, but not even World of Warcraft players are that lazy. I respect your views but there are many people who want to want to play the game for what the game was, not for what it is today. And by the way, I NEVER forget where I am bound.

-Wizzel

[Jonathan5]

Originally Posted by Wizzel

To each his own. If a classic server is not for you, don't play on one. By classic, I mean classic. The game as it was. The game at its beginning was about so much more including strategy. Not only strategy by yourself, but strategy with others. Hrm...my party got killed in the middle of an orc camp by orcs 10 levels higher than us. How will we pull this off? Why don't we have the naked halfling kite them around while we loot our corpses and then help kill them. THAT WAS FUN. In today's game, nevermind that. Simply go into the guild hall and pay money to have your body dragged back. Simply click on a book to be moved across the world. Sorry, but not even World of Warcraft players are that lazy. I respect your views but there are many people who want to want to play the game for what the game was, not for what it is today. And by the way, I NEVER forget where I am bound.

-Wizzel

Amen. Not being a fanboy, nor a hater, but I agree.

[Windcatcher]

I haven't read everything on this thread but it's making me concerned about what will happen when people really start creating all new stuff for use with SimpleCilent. People should correct me if I'm mistaken, but IMHO the point there really will be mystique first and foremost. Is this something that needs to be thought through before we go diving into server creation?

[Wizzel]

Originally Posted by Windcatcher

I haven't read everything on this thread but it's making me concerned about what will happen when people really start creating all new stuff for use with SimpleCilent. People should correct me if I'm mistaken, but IMHO the point there really will be mystique first and foremost. Is this something that needs to be thought through before we go diving into server creation?

Windcatcher, I have respected you as a developer since forever and you have created such awesome tools and programs that enhance every aspect of this project and others. But I fail to realize the need for a custom client. People are in love with this game for what it is. Ak'Anon, Grobb, Halas, Freeport....the list goes on. People are in love with the models of the orc, skeleton, rat, dragons and everything else. I think a hybrid consisting of original content and custom content keeps a game fresh but why redesign the game from the ground up? This is an honest question and I am just curious as to what you feel will be accomplished with your client.

-Wizzel

[Windcatcher]

My rationale behind SimpleClient:

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22439

[sfisque]

the concept is simple.

wind and buddies are not looking to "replace" the soe client. they're looking to open up the architecture so that people who want to craft their own worlds are not hemmed in by the various "hard coded" aspects of the client. you cant easily alter the spells/effects, add/remove classes/races, etc. unless we embrace a new "open" client. (open is in quotes because of the fact that parts of the client must remain closed for security purposes, like authentication, etc.)

you dont HAVE to use the new client. but it is a viable option for those who want to go beyond what soe has provided as content.

make sense?

== sfisque

[Wizzel]

Originally Posted by Windcatcher

My rationale behind SimpleClient:

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22439

Sounds awesome bud. Thanks for explaining it guys.

[ven-elexver]

For what its worth as a EQEMU noob and a 5 year live player i do Agree if you get to much to soon then at high end of the game it gets to be pointless to play the game is all about getting there for me. but all do not see it my way but EQEMU has done us a favor a GIANT favor you dont need to have a paypal or CC to have fun and that is what brought most of us here so not all will be making a server of his/her own and having a choice of servers /game play for them is one way to keep the game fun.look at it this way if player x starts on toms legit server to the max lvl 65 and finds him self wanting something to do but not much going on he can always start a server that will let him skip some grind levels and do some custom quests you why would player x ever go back to his lvl 65 legit char on toms server ? well in 65 lvls i am sure he made some friends along the way and that is what keeps players coming back to any mmorpg /mmo's but this is just one noobs point of view PS Big CONGRATZ and Thanks to all who spend hours/days/weeks/months/and years in to the DEV of EQEMU and all the DB,Quest,Programs

[boogerific]

My brain just imploded.

[mrbaxter]

I agree with John here. I too am getting tired of hearing classic over and over. I think it is an exciting idea and will do well, but people will come to realize how it will eventually limit their play.

The point is, EQ is the type of game that requires continual evolution. The classic servers, when they do come out, will come out with a bang, but will eventually die out due to boredom of nothing else to do. If anything else is added, then it is not classic anymore, and if it is left alone, you have a dying game. Not the best options there.

I love custom content and the ability to solo/raid with only a group. It is more personal to me this way and gives more of a feel of the old MUDs I used to play instead of the huge massive raids.

I think most people who come to EQEMU are wanting something different, not the same thing. If we wanted the same thing we would continue to play on live.

I am here because I love the custom content I have found and the ability to DO something different with a game I love.

I personally feel that Jest3 has done just this and would encourage anyone to check it out. I think it is a perfect example of what people should look for when they come into the EQEMU world, which basically is, the feeling of being in EverQuest, but not having to put up with the annoyances experienced by it.

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by Wizzel

Why don't we have the naked halfling kite them around while we loot our corpses and then help kill them.

/cheer! Naked halflings are always fun.

In today's game, nevermind that. Simply go into the guild hall and pay money to have your body dragged back. Simply click on a book to be moved across the world. Sorry, but not even World of Warcraft players are that lazy. I respect your views but there are many people who want to want to play the game for what the game was, not for what it is today. And by the way, I NEVER forget where I am bound.

I'd like to think you understand where I am really coming from, but I don't think you do. You are lumping me into a "it's not modern and easy so I hate it" category. While the newer games are pretty, they are not nearly as "fun" as original EQ. Why do you think you and I differ so much on this opinion? I am an old school stratigist, too. I am sad that the days of actually working for your glory are gone. All along, this is what I have been saying - including agreeing with your concepts and philosophies.

Where we differ in opinion (only) is that it requires some special server or client to do it. It is my opinion that the current emulator, with the appropriate amount of effort, can do exactly what everyone wants it to do. All it takes is database work, removing some of the clicky transport doors from the world and voila - Old EQ.

Yes, the Titanium client has new windows that do stuff, such as Maps. But you cannot tell me anyone who's played this game for 8 years needs a map to Antonica.

Anyway, you said you were done arguing with me. So, I am beating a dead horse trying to convince you I am not against you, Wizzel. Totally for your ideas, I just think the effort you are going to put into this will not change the status of the emulator - no matter how many fanbois /cheer that they want it. If they did, they'd play the existing servers from level 1 and enjoy themselves. Maybe it's all about the data, not the client.