Community vote

**KLS** · #1 04-27-2008, 07:33 PM

I don't see why every time there's a bit of drama people have to start throwing around accusations.

cole89103 · #2 04-27-2008, 07:40 PM

well id be less inclined to believe it if one he wasnt on the eqemu team and two if it was the first time ive heard this but its not its been said many times before so there has to be atleast a grain of truth to it ya know?

**trevius** · #3 04-27-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KLS

I don't see why every time there's a bit of drama people have to start throwing around accusations.

And to think, when KLS stops making updates, maybe someone will start rumors about her...

No one deserves that, especially without good hard proof. This is not a good motivator to keep the current devs working, guys!

If you respect all of the work that has been put in by the devs and mods, then please ignore anything to smear their reputation until there is actual reason to believe otherwise. I think we all owe them at least that much...

As long as the login server and these forums stay up, I see no reason to question where donations are going. If there is a little extra to pocket, so what? This is volunteer work, not a job.

cole89103 · #4 04-27-2008, 07:54 PM

Im not saying one way or another let me make that clear, but i will say that generally where there is smoke there is fire and like i said ive been here two years and ive seen the same thing (almost word for word) Said more then once, does that make it true? Certainly not but nor does it automaticly make it false in truth none of us have any way of knowing where the donations go.

I think at minimum this issue needs to be addressed and not swept under the table and ignored out of some misguided albeit noble idea of loyalty of respect for their work.

All that is well and good but if they are indeed taking donation money that is supposed to be used to further the emulator project then that is embeslment(SP?)

and their coding abbility has nothing to do with their integrity.

but enough of this lets just get back to the emulator and not the politics if its true then well they are in the wrong if its not then they arent simple as that

**trevius** · #5 04-27-2008, 08:10 PM

I think the main point that is being overlooked here is that the debate is over an issue that should be a good thing. If there is a surplus of donations, that is GREAT! I would much rather see minor issues with a surplus of donations over an issue with lacking enough donations.

Ideally, the extra cash should be put toward credit to keep the website and login server running. As long as things are paid for and running, who cares what happens to the extra?

There is no easy and clear way to deal with it. Imagine if the extra money was used to be split between the devs and mods... That would be a nightmare. How do you decide who deserves what amount? There is only 1 person responsible for paying the bill every month and as long as that gets paid, it is ok in my books.

If this whole issue is based on say 100$ not getting divided 10 ways, I think that would make this whole conflict pretty pointless. The last thing we need are devs fighting each other over 10$ a month because some think they deserve 15$. Either way, with the amount of work put into this emu, any small amount of cash that could be divided to the whole team would mean everyone is getting paid like $0.05 per hour. I am sure they can all find better ways to make money if that is the intention. Again, this whole project is volunteer based and getting money involved is sure to only lead to issues.

cole89103 · #6 04-27-2008, 08:30 PM

the conflic is basicly stealing money donated for upkeep of the site and emu project and using it for their personal use if you steal petty cash from work you get fired, if you steal money from a non profit organization and use it for personal use you get fired its called misappropriation of funds its also a crime.

noone should get the money for their personal use that money is donated for the emu and the site NOT for the devs or admins personal use THAT is the issue that is at the heart of the matter, and if they ARE doing it IF I reiterate. then they should be banned and kicked off the staff

cole89103 · #7 04-27-2008, 08:33 PM

not to mention if they want to get PAID they need to go get jobs as a dev not take the money from an opensource project that could be used for many other things to better the emu

cole89103 · #8 04-27-2008, 08:37 PM

think about it say you donated 100 or 200 bucks and instead of that money being used for say hosting or upkeep as is stated its for it was taken by a dev for personal use...

in essance thats stealing and wrong i dont care how you slice it.

Im not saying whether its true or not however if it is then it needs to get dealt with either by getting rid of donations all together or getting rid of the people doing the stealing, OR the community needs to just stop donating

Scorpious2k · #9 04-27-2008, 08:42 PM

I think the important thing is to learn whatever lessons are to be learned, pick things up, and move forward. Now that the Scorpious2k server is coming back as titanium, I will be able to test code on it again. This means I am also back, contributing code and trying to help those who need it.

It is not a time to make accusations of real or imagined wrongs. It's a time to regroup. Refocus. Unite as a team.

Let's work together. The emulator belongs to the community. Be proud of what we have done with it, and let's keep working hard to make it better.

Richardo · #10 04-27-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpious2k

I think the important thing is to learn whatever lessons are to be learned, pick things up, and move forward. Now that the Scorpious2k server is coming back as titanium, I will be able to test code on it again. This means I am also back, contributing code and trying to help those who need it.

It is not a time to make accusations of real or imagined wrongs. It's a time to regroup. Refocus. Unite as a team.

Let's work together. The emulator belongs to the community. Be proud of what we have done with it, and let's keep working hard to make it better.

I agree with you 100%. I also agree with EQEMU Team.

**TheLieka** · #11 04-27-2008, 11:07 PM

Speaking as a ServerOp here:

If people have donated money to the devs for "server maintenance", etc and the servers are still running, then I don't see where the conflict is. The guys that you're calling out have spent hundreds or thousands of hours writing, and maintaining code, not to mention babysitting this community of whiners - I don't think there's any sum of money that we could scrap together that would be adequate compensation for the amount of bullshit that they've endured.

I mean, sure, bitch and moan when $10k gets donated for a server migration, then instead of a migration, the site goes dark and they're never seen again. That's an entirely different issue, but that hasn't happened.

I'm not here to lick anyone's ass, but seriously, think about it as an adult, not a child. How many thousands of dollars are we even talking about here? All these guys are grown men, I seriously doubt anyone bought a house with the donations. Who gives a shit if the community buys them a few pizzas or hookers? Anyone with a half-way decent career / life could easily see thousands in disposable income per month - I doubt the $5 and $10 donations amounted to enough to make a dent in anything. I'm just glad that everything is still working - so what if the donations didn't translate directly into hardware.

Dax