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Old 05-07-2008, 06:36 AM
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Anyone who writes software does not need to disclose the source. I think that's cole89103's choice. As a writer of software I also do not release source to everything I put out, but in my case, certain code cannot be released due to license restrictions, or just my preference.

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Old 05-07-2008, 07:48 AM
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I don't understand why we chose this guy to wail on? I was worried about minilogin and the the Login Server when I first started here; What's to say that's not a big bomb waiting to explode in my PC?
And what about all the other stuff I have? most of it is not open source - something there could screw me too.
But at this point in life, I just make sure I have my bottle Vaseline with me at all times
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:55 AM
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My name is cavedude and I approved of this message.

His code does exactly as described above, nothing more. Of course, I take no responsibility for bugs or other unforeseen errors.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:28 AM
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LMAO OMG thats funny thanks cavedude I needed that.

That said My choice to not support or update the tool was based on the implication that the software sniffed passwords or was in another way malicious i dont see all the other tool developers HAVING To submit their code to the developers of the emulator for "approval" And that is also the reason for my reaction to it.

So why did you choose me to whail on? I am currious here, if you show me 10 other tools that submitted their source to the devs for APPROVAL before they posted it ill shut up however that said i am certain i can name atleast one dev who didnt submit their source to anyone.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:43 AM
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I can say that i have been using this for weeks and all works well, This is another great tool to add to my list. everything we use could be a risk.
Thanks for the great tool!!
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:54 AM
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yeah including the public loginserver which grants the admins of the ls gm access to the worldserver theres even a variable for it here

http://www.eqemulator.net/wiki/wikka...erverVariables

honorlsworldadmin


Lets see what tools are closed source

well the DRP editor by sesmar was closed source
simple client
minilogin
some of georges's tools
various other tools
peq server pack installer(installs the emu which is open source but sources the db and requires the root password to do it) ~NOTE~ just pointing out that there are people who dont release the source and dont get attacked like this for it or demanded that a dev approve their tool!

so why does MY source need to be approved or released? and why is my tool being targeted and basicly flat out called a password sniffer or other malicious software? personally i think i deserve an appology at the mere implication
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:04 PM
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Noone attacked you, or "wailed" on you. Trevius never said your software was malicious. In fact, he said ..

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Let me be clear on this; I am NOT saying that I think this software is malicious
You don't have to release your source if you don't want to and Trev doesn't have to use it if he doesn't want to. Let's not argue over petty things. There are plenty more important and productive things we could be doing.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:08 AM
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From your PM to me today:
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you owe me an appology for implying that my software was malware and a password sniffer funny how you stfu when cavedude and angelox posted be a man and admit you were fucking wrong
You were plenty willing to fuel the fire of a false rumor that was harming the reputation of members of this community that have put far too much work into this community and project to deserve that kind of disrespect. Here is the post:

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/sho...t=25112&page=2

And, I imagine the grudge you seem to have against some of the devs and moderators in that post are probably because you are the same person as Corvanus in the post below. This would also explain why you are so concerned about your source code due to "your own reasons". Not to mention that you and Corvanus type in the exact same way.

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/sho...t=24898&page=2

And in that post, another post is mentioned which appears to be where your original "reason" to be cautious about your source started. And, coincidentally the username that posted that post was Coleshadowblades. Is it chance that cole89103 and Coleshadowblade both have "cole" in the name?

http://eqemulator.net/forums/showthr...ighlight=mysql

If I am wrong about any of that, then I honestly apologize. But, if I am right, then I think people deserve to read and understand the warning I posted. If all of these accounts are yours (Corvanus, cole89103, Coleshadowblades), then you have some real issues with many high level members of this project. You also have a very short temper and have caused a large amount of drama on these boards. If I am not mistaken, I believe you made account after account after account causing all kinds of issues to the mods while you were trying to post "your" login server download link from some website.

The simple fact that you change to a different login name so your reputation doesn't follow you is something that concerns me a bit. I think reputation is VERY important. And if people are going to trust someone with their passwords by putting them in a closed source application configuration file, they should definitely be aware of the code writter's past reputation.

If you were reasonable and kept things honest and civil at all times, then I would have no troubles with you. I even try to understand where you are coming from in some of these argumentative posts. I can see your point in most of them, but you are quick to blow things out of proportions every time. When you start in on the reputation of the senior members of this project every time, it makes me think that you have something against the entire project. If that is the case, then there is definite reason to use caution when considering the use of any of your applications. If you can't even show respect to any of the devs/mods in this project, then how can we expect you to respect other people's hard work (their databases).

You wanted to understand why I posted my warning, now you understand my perspective on this. Really, the warning I posted applies to any and all closed source software. Most of them come from already fairly trusted sources. Any that come from a single person without a fairly well known reputation/history seems to be somewhat more of a risk. If any of the people with closed source tools or applications had a questionable reputation, then I am sure you would see similar warnings in their tool submissions. Every single one of them as far as I have seen has been nothing but professional in their posts and uphold an excellent reputation.

You have been very helpful lately on the forums answering some questions and working on your projects. And please, don't let me deter you. I certainly wouldn't let 1 person stop me from doing something to help everyone else. I run a fairly popular server and I don't shut it down every time someone says that I suck. So, I hope you continue to help the community.

Trust has to be earned. It takes time and consistency to earn it. By going from helping users to flaming the devs and mods, that shows instability. I truly hope you can prove yourself to be trustworthy. I am a positive person and I always give people a second chance if they deserve it. I think that you really do mean well, but that you take some things a bit to seriously and lose control over them.

If you want to keep your source closed, then I can understand that and respect that. It is your hard work and you can do whatever you want with it. But if you really want people to trust you, then maybe you should show a little trust and consider opening the source. As stated before, tools die off that are closed source once the emu code is updated and doesn't work with the tool anymore if the developer is gone and doesn't continue to support it. That renders your hard work useless once that happens. No one is going to use your code to make something that makes money for them. These are all tools that are free to use by the community and for the community. It isn't like you invented DOS and are at risk of Bill Gates stealing it to build an empire on.

If all you want is credit for your creations, then just keep working and building your reputation and you will get all of the credit you deserve. This isn't a movie production where credits have to be displayed by law and people get paid to do everything. This is a free project ran by volunteers. There is alot going on in this community and no one is perfect. Sure, some things might go unnoticed or you might not get credit for everything you do, but what can you expect? If you are consistent and are helpful, your work will eventually get noticed. Just be patient and keep helping. The reward should be the act of helping the community and knowing you are doing something good. Any recognition is just a nice bonus, but it shouldn't be something to be upset over.

I don't personally want to see your source, and I don't really have much use for your tools (at least not what you have done so far). I am not a coder either, so believe me when I say that I don't want your source opened so that I can personally cheat you of whatever work you have done on them. I understand that you are keeping it closed and that is perfectly fine with me. I just feel like I owe it to people to give a fair warning about closed source. I know some server admins who might not be aware that there is any sort of risk and I think they deserve to be aware.

I am not trying to harm your reputation. That isn't the type of person that I am. I consider myself a fair and honest person that tries to be helpful when I can. I try to stay calm and level-headed as well as unbiased. I haven't contributed anything major to this community yet other than some help where I can and a couple of my custom quests. A coder like yourself can certainly help the community in a larger way than I can right now. For that, you deserve a certain level of respect. If you can continue to uphold a positive reputation, you will surely get every bit of respect that you deserve.

If you feel the need to try to put me down or harm my reputation because of this post, please don't bother. I won't be replying on this subject again unless asked to by a Developer or Moderator. If I am harming my own reputation by making this post, then that is too bad. But, I have plenty of patience and time to build it back up. I know what kind of person I am and that is all that matters to me.

The apology that I owe is to anyone reading this post. The last thing I want to do is start drama, and I imagine that this post will be read as drama. If the devs/mods feel that this post should be removed, then please feel free. I respect and trust all of the devs decisions and I don't wish to cause anymore issues for them than they already have. If they feel like I owe you an honest apology for this post, then I will give you a true apology. I could be completely wrong about what I have written here and I hate to assume without having 100% facts. If I am wrong then I deserve anything coming to me and I owe you a big apology.

I think that covers most of the topics I wanted to touch on in this post. There are a few other things I wanted to point out, but this post doesn't need to be any longer than it is already lol. I didn't want to post this in the first place, but I think some things just needed to be said.

I hope you can rise above flaming me for this post. You don't even need to post and get defensive about the subjects I mentioned here. Though, I fully expect an explosion of anger which I am sure we could all do without.
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