Group Issues:

**KLS** · #1 08-12-2008, 03:29 PM

Just need people to identify problems with how groups work.

So_1337 · #2 08-12-2008, 03:55 PM

It sounded like you'd already identified a few of them. Here's one we tried, though:

I formed a group with player A in one zone.

Zoned to another zone and invited players B and C while player A stayed behind.

Players B and C could speak in group (a huge improvement), but player A's chat would sometimes come through and sometimes not.

After player B zoned (we're now spread across three different zones), player B could see his chat go to group, but the group couldn't see it.

Again, though, it sounds like you already have a pretty good idea of some of the problems, and I'm pretty sure this falls within the realm of what you'd described above. ("Players invited to a group wont learn members that are out of the zone and the members out of the zone wont get member updates.")

**KLS** · #3 08-12-2008, 05:27 PM

Basically this problem has to also do with poor implementation, if the group member isn't found then send a message to their name via world... but we wont have their name unless we've previously been in the same zone. Just silly the person who did these initially did not think this stuff through at all.

Angelox · #4 08-13-2008, 01:42 PM

A long time ago, when i first started out on Everquest Live, the groups help up even when the player went LD . Server would actually wait 10-15 mins before giving up on the LD player (I Imagine it was a way to keep a group together on zoning, even if the player went LD).
Sony nerfed this because there was some sort of exploit some players figured out.

**KLS** · #5 08-13-2008, 05:09 PM

Some more group changes inc; hopefully they work close to perfectly after the next update.

**trevius** · #6 08-13-2008, 05:29 PM

That sounds awesome! So, once groups are ironed out, does that mean that work might begin on Raids? If the systems are similar and if the raid system can be based on the new group system, then maybe Raids wouldn't be too far off. I am sure many people would love to see raids working

**KLS** · #7 08-13-2008, 05:47 PM

It's not really new, just fixing the problems with it.

Raids could be done but it's a little bit more complex so we'll see. Have to keep track of all the groups involved where they are in the raid, people in raid but not in group, master looters, raid leaders etc all across zones.