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bushman77 · #1 03-17-2009, 03:03 PM

i thought the login server source itself was strictly closed source (something dto do between sony and eqemu and the encryption being held tightly by sony. so i suppose we are lucky to have the public login server that we have. I'm hoping that it is only software based issues and who ever is handling the code for the ls figures out what is going on with it.

Andrew80k · #2 03-17-2009, 03:28 PM

Our login server has nothing to do with sony. This is home grown, and quite old. The LS is closed source because of the encryption is true though. The folks that wrote this server do not wish for it to be released. In truth we have been fortunate to have this public login server, but it has nearly outlived its usefulness and has started becoming a liability. It's time to move on and get something that is held by the folks that are more active and can see that it is properly maintained.

Angelox · #3 03-17-2009, 03:31 PM

I always thought since the current source holders don't want to publicize the source, they used 'scare tactics' and excuses like EqEmu having agreements with SOE?
Anyway, if there is a new public login, it probably will be protected, but for reasons other than the SOE one ( I was just wishful thinking).

devn00b · #4 03-17-2009, 03:38 PM

The reason the ls is closed are two fold.

1) soe would change the crypto, leading to days of downtime.
2) the base code wasnt written by anyone at eqemu and they dont wish it to be released to the public.

To release any kind of loginserver with the crypto would anger the sony gods.
Regardless if you agree with it, thats the way it is.

Andrew80k · #5 03-17-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by devn00b

The reason the ls is closed are two fold.

1) soe would change the crypto, leading to days of downtime.
2) the base code wasnt written by anyone at eqemu and they dont wish it to be released to the public.

To release any kind of loginserver with the crypto would anger the sony gods.
Regardless if you agree with it, thats the way it is.

Thanks for chiming in. I didn't realize it was sony crypto. I thought it was written specifically for the LS... That clears that up...

Rezbee · #6 03-18-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by devn00b

The reason the ls is closed are two fold.

1) soe would change the crypto, leading to days of downtime.
2) the base code wasnt written by anyone at eqemu and they dont wish it to be released to the public.

To release any kind of loginserver with the crypto would anger the sony gods.
Regardless if you agree with it, thats the way it is.

Anyone can break that crypto with just an ounce of search on the net. KLS said himself on the PEQ forums that he broke it in a matter of mins if I recall correctly. Its not that hard, I've tried it myself and its not like that the crypto.dll can't be found on google or anything

The ONLY reason to keep the next login server project closed source is for a captive audience. I have no problems with that, but what I do have a problem with is throwing cash out and something happening either irl or in the community to the lead person and not signing over the reigns on the project.

Speaking of which, is it just me or has the ls server been down nearly all day?

devn00b · #7 03-18-2009, 12:13 AM

If it was that easy..why hasn't anyone released a working 7.0 login?

mmmhmm..

Really tho it isn't THAT hard.

MNWatchdog · #8 03-18-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by devn00b

If it was that easy..why hasn't anyone released a working 7.0 login?

mmmhmm..

Really tho it isn't THAT hard.

Because the antithesis of "If it ain't, don't fix it." now exists.

**KLS** · #9 03-18-2009, 12:49 AM

I'm not going to argue the ethics of open sourcing the LS or not. Yes, it's easy but it still takes a bit of technical know how that most people don't possess to get. It's also really weak. You can draw your own conclusions on the downsides and why the person who wrote it didn't want it released. And why we're probably not going to release the source to the new one we made.

That said I'm going to clarify what we want to happen. Basically as anyone who's been here more than a day knows the server is unstable, really unstable. It's also controlled by people who while willing to put time they have into it just don't have enough time to keep it running. We want to get a new server because this one sucks and I will be stepping into a more active role in terms of maintaining the server.

I'm sorry if I gave anyone a people's revolution vibe, this is the current admin's ideas not mine. =p

Ikeren · #10 03-18-2009, 01:35 AM

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but it has outlived its usefulness and is a liability.

Fixed.

Quote:

Basically as anyone who's been here more than a day knows the server is unstable, really unstable.

Tragically unstable. Horrifically unstable. Homocidal Rage inducing instability. That sort of thing.

Angelox · #11 03-18-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KLS

this is the current admin's ideas not mine. =p

That says the whole story - no matter to me anyways, I already have mini-login and the home box edition working fine, I thought I might be helpful with the "new" Public LS that never did a thing for me in the first place!

I already donated to 'current admin's' and also rallied donations to them a while back. There was no reply at all, no 'thank you' posts for the donators, and the result for that are the Forums and Server you have now (no action taken).

When you all decide to start a NEW project to where it belongs to at most you and a few of the active developers, then I'll gladly donate.

As far as I'm concerned, the 'current admin's' are long gone (by their own will), and should have no say in it any more.

If you want, put up a donation icon on the Google SVN site, so I will feel like the money is going to you.

KingMort · #12 03-19-2009, 01:37 AM

I would like to donate to this cause on a regular monthly basis but I would need to talk to whoever is "IN CHARGE" now... Can reach me in #kmra on IRC anytime..

KingMort
www.raidaddicts.org

classiceq · #13 03-20-2009, 11:33 PM

Regardless of what the issue is I personally won't put in any money unless it becomes 100% open source.

However, I will offer the following to support a login server/forum/web site etc.

3MB up/down redundant T1 config - Cisco 2811 Router, PIX Firewall, Static IP's

HP G5 Dual Quad Core Server with 16GB Ram and RAID 5 Array. 6-146GB SAS Drives

Located in my hardened datacenter in San Antonio that I personally own.

It is staffed 24x7.

No charge with a long term guarantee. I want to see this project progress.

It may not make sense to some but there are things I have learned from this project. Database structure, programming etc. The list goes on.

Anyway, That is my offer. The facility is real. The offer is real.

Feel free to contact me.

classiceq · #14 03-20-2009, 11:37 PM

Currently the server I support is running on this same server hardware.

It is on the public login server. Black Hand of Doom or BHOD.

It is set up with VMWARE to support multiple server emulators.

EQ, DAoC, Quake etc.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention this part.