Past, Present and Future

[KLS]

In case anyone's wondering why I took donations down or want any kind of update. I didn't feel the transfer was going fast enough and felt bad to continue taking people's money and be able to give them nothing to show for it right now. We got quite a bit, wont cover a whole year but it will cover most of a year I estimate.

We're busy currently trying to contact our current host and will decide if it's practical to just upgrade the server or move to a new one, so hopefully we will begin a transfer or upgrade soon.

[trevius]

Thanks for the update, KLS! I know this is a rough situation right now from many angles. I am sure everyone will be happy when it is all over and taken care of. Once the change of ownership happens, make sure to get those donations setup again so we can ensure that we won't have to worry about hosting again for a long time, if ever. It probably wouldn't take long before people stopped donating once the LS is stable again, so we might as well get what we can up-front. Otherwise, we would probably have to be asking for donations more often throughout the year, which is something that would be nice to be able to avoid for everyone's sake

[devn00b]

Originally Posted by KLS

In case anyone's wondering why I took donations down or want any kind of update. I didn't feel the transfer was going fast enough and felt bad to continue taking people's money and be able to give them nothing to show for it right now. We got quite a bit, wont cover a whole year but it will cover most of a year I estimate.

We're busy currently trying to contact our current host and will decide if it's practical to just upgrade the server or move to a new one, so hopefully we will begin a transfer or upgrade soon.

Not sure whats the hold up of contacting the current host. I can request a server upgrade and get it within 24hours. So whats the hold up?

I can call my host say hey how much for xyz, then call the next company and ask the same. that takes what 20mins. Another day to decide at most. Shouldn't take a month to get this resolved.

[KLS]

If I were able to do it, it would be done. I have to work with other people who have commitments other than the project.

[devn00b]

Originally Posted by KLS

If I were able to do it, it would be done. I have to work with other people who have commitments other than the project.

Fair enough thank you KLS for the answer.

[trevius]

Devn00b, if I wasn't personally against deleting posts, I would probably have deleted that first one you made in this thread.

What concern is the Official LS of yours other than as a competitor to your new Public LS alternative?

By "contacting our current host", I am sure KLS means Doodman. He isn't on a 24X7 contact schedule. The people making the decisions are in the process of figuring out the best possible solution. If that takes a few days or even a couple of weeks to make sure that we get the best solution, then that is perfectly fine with me. There is no reason to make hasty decisions that will be regretted later.

Sure, setting up a brand new site with no posts, forums, wiki, LS, etc to move from a previous host is quick and simple, but when you have to move stuff designed around old software and services, it is going to take work and time no matter what. If they have an option to use the current host with nice upgrades, then that would prevent them from having to do the extra work to move it. But, is it even possible to get all of the upgrades necessary to resolve the current issues with the emu, or would we be better off just moving it? Those are some big questions that take time to consider and discuss with multiple people who aren't all on the same schedule. I am sure there are plenty of other things that I didn't even mention that need to be considered.

Yes, there are issues with the current hosting for the Official LS. They will be worked out soon enough, so there isn't any reason to get offensive about it.

I don't think anyone on the EQEmu team has any problem with the new LS by Devn00b and Image, but I also think we are all getting very tired of you putting us down to try to make yourselves look better. There is just no need for it and I am sure it won't be tolerated much longer if it keeps up. We already stated clearly that we don't want your advertisements for your unaffiliated Login Server anywhere other than in Off-Topic where they belong. To keep putting down the official one and mentioning how much better yours is, is essentially a cheap way of advertising for it. So, please stop it.

I am not wanting to start any drama here, but in order to keep the peace, would you please just stop the posts about it completely? If you really must mention or discuss your new LS, please do so in off-topic only. There are already too many threads scattered across the boards in the past few days. It seems like every answer you give has some promo for your LS in it.

Randomnoob001 Question: Hey, I am having a problem with my video slowing down and speeding up.

Devn00b/Image Answer: That is because the EQEmu Login Server sucks. You should switch to our far superior one!

Exaggerated a little, but it isn't all that far off-base, sadly :P

Again, I am not trying to start drama here, but in order to stop this before it gets out of hand, I think this needed to be said. BTW, if one of the admin's thinks this post is out-of-line, then feel free to delete it and I apologize.

[image]

Thats not fair I didn't say anything that wasn't in sarcasm.

[devn00b]

Originally Posted by trevius

Devn00b, if I wasn't personally against deleting posts, I would probably have deleted that first one you made in this thread.

What concern is the Official LS of yours other than as a competitor to your new Public LS alternative?

By "contacting our current host", I am sure KLS means Doodman. He isn't on a 24X7 contact schedule. The people making the decisions are in the process of figuring out the best possible solution. If that takes a few days or even a couple of weeks to make sure that we get the best solution, then that is perfectly fine with me. There is no reason to make hasty decisions that will be regretted later.

Sure, setting up a brand new site with no posts, forums, wiki, LS, etc to move from a previous host is quick and simple, but when you have to move stuff designed around old software and services, it is going to take work and time no matter what. If they have an option to use the current host with nice upgrades, then that would prevent them from having to do the extra work to move it. But, is it even possible to get all of the upgrades necessary to resolve the current issues with the emu, or would we be better off just moving it? Those are some big questions that take time to consider and discuss with multiple people who aren't all on the same schedule. I am sure there are plenty of other things that I didn't even mention that need to be considered.

Yes, there are issues with the current hosting for the Official LS. They will be worked out soon enough, so there isn't any reason to get offensive about it.

I don't think anyone on the EQEmu team has any problem with the new LS by Devn00b and Image, but I also think we are all getting very tired of you putting us down to try to make yourselves look better. There is just no need for it and I am sure it won't be tolerated much longer if it keeps up. We already stated clearly that we don't want your advertisements for your unaffiliated Login Server anywhere other than in Off-Topic where they belong. To keep putting down the official one and mentioning how much better yours is, is essentially a cheap way of advertising for it. So, please stop it.

I am not wanting to start any drama here, but in order to keep the peace, would you please just stop the posts about it completely? If you really must mention or discuss your new LS, please do so in off-topic only. There are already too many threads scattered across the boards in the past few days. It seems like every answer you give has some promo for your LS in it.


Exaggerated a little, but it isn't all that far off-base, sadly :P

Again, I am not trying to start drama here, but in order to stop this before it gets out of hand, I think this needed to be said. BTW, if one of the admin's thinks this post is out-of-line, then feel free to delete it and I apologize.

See trevius, you forget how long I've been here. Ive had to move the site to a new host more times than you can imagine. Im more than familiar with it. The actual move only takes 24hrs, and maybe another 24 to get it setup fully. Don't take me for a fool, or forget who your speaking to. Ive been with this project since almost its inception.

My question was a simple one. She answered, and I thanked her. I dont remember asking you, or even mentioning your name so please stay out of it. I'm not sure what your problem is, I don't really care.

Where in my question did I promote my LS? Again I asked a simple question. No need for your post.

[trevius]

As I said, I am not trying to start drama. There are few things I hate more than drama on forums.

While you weren't directly promoting your LS in this particular thread, you did still manage to mention how speedy the response time is for your own hosting service.

Here are a few quotes from random threads with you putting down the Official LS and putting yours in the light (this is the type of stuff I am mostly talking about):

Its the same bug that image listed above. Only person that can fix it is Doodman. Our Loginserver doesn't have this issue.

Best bet is trying irc and hoping that doodman or rogean or KLS or someone is there that will fix it..but that's pretty hard.

It is a separate and full fledged login server. Image and myself run and maintain it. We give it much more attention than the official login server.

Still even with the downtime lastnight, our box has a much better uptime record than the current box and that is a fact that cannot be denied.

Times like these are when a 2nd login server is needed...Just sayin.

Oh yeah...and btw...ours is up =p

The whole problem with your guys plan is to run off donations. You know the project has tryed this before right? You know how it ended up? It ended up doodman paying $39 or whatever a month. Or Hogie...

Yes, we know there are issues with the current one, the team is in the process or correcting those issues for good. There is no reason to try to scare people away from the Official LS to get them to move to yours. It is nice to have the option available, but I think the EQEmu team needs to back our own LS. Once it is moved, we will finally have the control and stability to do so. Until then, I am trying to keep faith in the team up, so people know that thing will be working great soon enough.

And yes, I know you and Image have been around longer than almost anyone here and have contributed a ton. I won't pretend to know all of the history about where you guys disappeared off too (EQ2Emu maybe) for the past couple of years, or what happened to your admin tags. But, if you really have the best of the project in mind, you wouldn't put it down so much.

[devn00b]

Right so now let me get this straight, I can't discuss the LS? this a new rule?

I cant tell people to try and contact admins so they can do their job and admin? If this is a new rule it should be added and everyone has to follow it. Not just me.

Not one thing I posted was incorrect, or a Lie. You don't have to like what I say, or Accept it, however I have followed the rules. So either change the rules or get off my case.

[WildcardX]

I wasn't going to post or say anything because I generally have better things to do than to engage the community clowns who are still allowed to post on these forums despite a history of trespasses....

BUT....

What I find amazingly rich is the notion that KLS or any of the current active developers in the community, who donate so much of their time, their energy, their creativity and their passion for this project and our community need to account for anything to the devnewbs of the world.

I'm not even going to go and rehash anything that happened in the past, instead, I'll be generous and limit my rant to his actions of only the last couple of weeks.

1. Launched DoS attacks on the community's public login server, depriving EVERYONE the ability to simply come home and play their favorite video game.

2. Whined, complained and bitched when Doodman, Rogean, FNW decided to pass stewardship of the project and community to KLS, a person they decided they could trust and who has, indeed, earned the respect and trust of the whole community.

3. Launched malformed packet attacks against PEQ and other game servers who haven't decided to trust a well established hacker to service their game servers.

4. Suggest that KLS or anyone for that matter must account themselves to him.

So let me get this straight... Devnewb wants us to trust him enough to run our new community servers while he is, at the very same moment, attacking and degrading the performance of our existing servers? Really? That is just rich.

Then you run off to your friend and get him to write you a new LS so you can come back here post how clever you are and then you go after individual game servers if they don't use your LS? Really? That is just amazingly rich.

Now, as Doodman said, everyone in this community is free to make their own decisions and do as they please. If you believe you can trust devnewb with your server, your IP address, your passwords, your world database, then that is your choice.

I understand this is a frustrating time for everyone. I am as frustrated and fed up as all of you are. But the current active development team has been working together for 3 years now and we have a proven track record of trust, commitment and a desire to make the game as open as possible and as great as we can make it.

So know this. We at PEQ and those who are active here will launch the new servers and we will bring stability to the public login server.

Know this also. And here I am speaking for only myself. I will not work with devnewb or any other hacker-developer-script-kiddie on any project and especially not the public login server. PERIOD.

Now I am 10000% certain that devnewb is going to post some crazy rant about this, that and what ever else he can drain out of his toilet, but at the end of the day I am a developer that has been around for the last 3+ years, contributing code and making our server better than I found it. Devnewb has recently crawled back on to the forums from under his rock and has instead decided to focus on destroying what we have built, what you all enjoy to play.... instead of choosing to make a positive contribution.

This will be my last post where I lower my self to address a tolerated community hacker.

[TheLieka]

Originally Posted by WildcardX

I wasn't going to post or say anything because I generally have better things to do than to engage the community clowns who are still allowed to post on these forums despite a history of trespasses....

BUT....

What I find amazingly rich is the notion that KLS or any of the current active developers in the community, who donate so much of their time, their energy, their creativity and their passion for this project and our community need to account for anything to the devnewbs of the world.

I'm not even going to go and rehash anything that happened in the past, instead, I'll be generous and limit my rant to his actions of only the last couple of weeks.

1. Launched DoS attacks on the community's public login server, depriving EVERYONE the ability to simply come home and play their favorite video game.

2. Whined, complained and bitched when Doodman, Rogean, FNW decided to pass stewardship of the project and community to KLS, a person they decided they could trust and who has, indeed, earned the respect and trust of the whole community.

3. Launched malformed packet attacks against PEQ and other game servers who haven't decided to trust a well established hacker to service their game servers.

4. Suggest that KLS or anyone for that matter must account themselves to him.

So let me get this straight... Devnewb wants us to trust him enough to run our new community servers while he is, at the very same moment, attacking and degrading the performance of our existing servers? Really? That is just rich.

Then you run off to your friend and get him to write you a new LS so you can come back here post how clever you are and then you go after individual game servers if they don't use your LS? Really? That is just amazingly rich.

Now, as Doodman said, everyone in this community is free to make their own decisions and do as they please. If you believe you can trust devnewb with your server, your IP address, your passwords, your world database, then that is your choice.

I understand this is a frustrating time for everyone. I am as frustrated and fed up as all of you are. But the current active development team has been working together for 3 years now and we have a proven track record of trust, commitment and a desire to make the game as open as possible and as great as we can make it.

So know this. We at PEQ and those who are active here will launch the new servers and we will bring stability to the public login server.

Know this also. And here I am speaking for only myself. I will not work with devnewb or any other hacker-developer-script-kiddie on any project and especially not the public login server. PERIOD.

Now I am 10000% certain that devnewb is going to post some crazy rant about this, that and what ever else he can drain out of his toilet, but at the end of the day I am a developer that has been around for the last 3+ years, contributing code and making our server better than I found it. Devnewb has recently crawled back on to the forums from under his rock and has instead decided to focus on destroying what we have built, what you all enjoy to play.... instead of choosing to make a positive contribution.

This will be my last post where I lower my self to address a tolerated community hacker.

Fatality.

Dax

[image]

I actually made the login server because I was tired of the one that was always down when I was trying to work on my server, you guys talk like this just started a couple days ago, it has been crashing a lot in 2008 too. When I got home from work on days in November it was pretty frequently down. Also I got tired of waiting for everyone else to make their own, wildcard. No one had any say in my creation of the new login server. I did it for my own reasons.

I did make a comment that my login server didn't have an issue and I also explained how to rectify that issue with the LS in my opinion. Thank you for taking my quote out of context.

[So_1337]

I usually give Devn00b a pass on his bitter posts, as I know that he's been slighted in the past. I know that there has been some serious drama in the community, long before I developed an interest in the project (which I'll readily admit is about all I'm capable of developing around here =P). However, even with past drama, all I know of are the admins and developers that I've seen in my time here and the fact that they work their tails off making this thing happen for everyone else. They do it for nothing more than appreciation and whatever drives them internally to do so. Anyone who makes this a hassle for them threatens it for all of us.

That said, I think Trevius said it best; please just stop, Devn00b. The current development team is doing their damnedest to get things moved to a host where we won't be dealing with further issues. We even got a post out of Doodman giving the situation on things, which was much appreciated along with everything else he's done in the past. It's just time for it to be passed off to people who are more actively involved, and he's doing that. So in the meantime? Your login is fine and well, but it's seemed like a bitter pill to swallow all along. Quite honestly, you've done such a smear job of the current EQEmu setup every time that you post about it that I would refuse to use it simply out of spite.

I'm doing my best to not even touch on the elephant in the room, which is WildCard's post... If what he says is true (and when has he ever lied to us or openly bashed the community here, unlike someone else?) then I'm really surprised that your recent posts have been as tolerated as they have.

Image, I don't know your situation, as most of your posts seemed well-intentioned and most of the real negativity seems to stem from Devn00b. Thanks for what you're doing, but you should probably pick your partners better in the future.

I'll keep my faith in the current developers and have patience while the switch happens. Thanks for all you do, KLS, Derision, Trevius, WildCard, Dax, Angelox (deny it all you want, but you know you belong in this list!), everyone else who keeps things moving around here.

[WillowyLady]

Well, I will be staying put, EQ EMU has been my home for some time.

The issues we have encountered recently will be overcome and them we can all get back to improving EQ EMU.

All you guys, past and present, have done and do so much for this commumity out of the kindness of your hearts, you cannot be praised highly enough. Exalted faction!

I really am adverse to any form of drama, or it even being tolarated. It's effects can and sometimes do spilt commumities and alienate people. It would be a crying sin if that happened here.

The light is at the end of the tunnel, I for one cannot wait to see SoF unleased on us, working instances LDoN and the like.

We have all got a lot to look forward too.

Keep up the great work guys.



Willowy**