Vallon Zek / Tallon Zek EverQuest Classic PvP - With Fresh Lemon Scent!

[VallonTallonZek]

Originally Posted by gaeorn

Take this as you wish. This is merely my interpretation of what I have read here.

It does seem you are not following your own rules. If this is the correct wording of the rule:

Bind Camping:
Bind Camping is illegal for ANY reason within any of the City Zones within the world. if you happen to kill a character in a city zone which he happens to be bound in, you may not camp him, or request that he camp and/or leave the zone. You can loot his coin but then you must move on. We do not care how badly you wish to "lock down” Grobb, Neriak, or any other city.

Then it's the person who did the killing that has to move on. It specifically states that person can not request the victim camp or leave the zone. However, then this is said:



Here you state the killer told him to camp or zone, which is exactly what the rule prohibits. And the killer would not have been at any risk if he had moved on just as the rule states he should.

I agree with Dr. Spike that the rule either needs to be changed or enforced as it is. You can not expect a player to react well when you will not enforce the rules as they are written.

20 minutes between kills isnt bind camping im sorry. The rule might need to be more clear (its been a rough spot with our ruleset for a while) but killing someone and waiting 20 friggin minutes for the next kill isnt ever going to result in someone being banned.

[gaeorn]

If the killer did not move on, as stated in the rule, then he is not following it regardless of how quickly he kills. From the way you choose to enforce the rule, it clearly needs to be rewritten.

One additional note, 20 minutes is not a terribly long time. It is short enough that just a handful of players could effectively lock down a city, even if they did "move on" and then come back 10 minutes later. I only note this because it seems to defeat the intent of the rule. However, it is your server and your choice how you choose to run it.

I would suggest you be more tolerant of someone who is annoyed by the lack of enforcement of the rule as it is written. I know I would have been irritated by the differences between the enforcement and the written rule.

Again, just my views. Take them or leave them as you choose.

[VallonTallonZek]

Originally Posted by gaeorn

If the killer did not move on, as stated in the rule, then he is not following it regardless of how quickly he kills. From the way you choose to enforce the rule, it clearly needs to be rewritten.

One additional note, 20 minutes is not a terribly long time. It is short enough that just a handful of players could effectively lock down a city, even if they did "move on" and then come back 10 minutes later. I only note this because it seems to defeat the intent of the rule. However, it is your server and your choice how you choose to run it.

I would suggest you be more tolerant of someone who is annoyed by the lack of enforcement of the rule as it is written. I know I would have been irritated by the differences between the enforcement and the written rule.

Again, just my views. Take them or leave them as you choose.

I'll direct the rest of our staff to this thread so we can get it sorted out, your right that its bad wording, thanks for the feedback.

[FonzoRelli]

wow.. just wow.

ok first of all, Bind Camping is not Corpse Camping.

secondly, and this is for everyone, its not Camping your bind spot until you are killed more than one time. if it only happens once its something we call PvP, google it.

also, anyone that claims the VZ/TZ staff does not equally enforce these rules may have a learning disability and/or is allergic to /petition. had they ever tried to Petition with actual details, even just the name of the BCer, (and not with /petition omgz0r helpzz naow!!) then we could have checked the logs and if verified, the player would get punished if it is indeed BCing.

its truly that easy and does not need to be witnessed. however, insta-crying on any/all forums you can register on will never help you more than using /petition or sending a PM via our own forums. your claims that BCing goes unpunished are flat out absurd since i am regularly banning players for just this thing, however, they all knew how to use /petition correctly.

is the rule perfect? no. are we aware of that, yes. However, perfect or not they are the posted rules for the server and will be followed by all players. 2 months ago there were ZERO pvp rules on the server, so i think we can both agree that this is better than nothing.

we are working on something that will eliminate BRing as well as something enforceable regarding BCing without the GMs having to babysit the players 24hrs a day, as soon as its finished, the Rules will be changed and again will be enforced equally among all players in the community.

Also, being killed at your bind does NOT mean you are now safe from PvP, it just means that same person cannot kill you repeatedly, but other people may stumble upon you. If guilds and/or groups abuse this to try and Bind Camp in a City Zone, everyone involved will receive a minimum 3 day Ban from the server, there will be no more warnings for Bind Camping within City Zones.

look, i can quote the rules too!

in the future, if u have a problem handle it in a respectful manner and i am 100% positive that one of our many staff members (Null, Searyx, Gronkus, Keegan, Zues, Sirken, Noble, Dritz) will get back in to in a reasonable amount of time. i understand that you play during prime euro hours so its generally very late in the USA, however thats why the BC rule is set up the way it is... so we can catch and punish the rule breakers without having to babysit anyone or be there to witness the BCing.

Believe it or not, we (the staff) actually want the players to have a fun and enjoyable time on our server, and when players break our very very simple rules we do take action right away, because as much as it pisses you off, i think it pisses off the staff even more. its alot like spitting in our faces when a player is breaking the rules, and yea, we do not enjoy that at all.

if you have any other questions or concerns feel free to PM me on the VZTZ forums because i dont check this site as often as i should.

<3 Sirken

[KLS]

Resist hacks, hah, that's pretty good.

[burdenday]

Thanks for the reply, Sirken.

I think a number of us newer players, just from the "tone" of the server and VT/TZ forums, likely felt calling veterans on their rule-breaking wouldn't be addressed or at the very least would be unwelcomed. It's frustrating to be completely screwed with during your first week on a new server where you know few people.

I'll give it another whirl now.

[FonzoRelli]

please do, and like i said, if you have any problems at all (problems with players, or with staff members) all you need to do is send me a PM on our own forums at http://forums.pwnedemu.com/

all matters are handled privately, meaning i will never reveal the names of the players that contact me, so do it with full confidence. at the very least you'll get a staff member to break down and explain whatever he finds out as opposed to starting off by putting the staff on the defense right away.

i hope to see you in game, Have fun and good luck !

[konke67]

Originally Posted by VallonTallonZek

20 minutes between kills isnt bind camping im sorry. The rule might need to be more clear (its been a rough spot with our ruleset for a while) but killing someone and waiting 20 friggin minutes for the next kill isnt ever going to result in someone being banned.

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maybee he killed me every 20 min but he hitted me so i wasnt able to get hp/mana, loook up your loggfiles and you will see that he hitted me atleast once every 1-3 min in 2 houers when I was at more then 50% hp, then he hitted me back to like 5-10% or even close to 0-2% EVERY TIME he didnt killed me. Soo why not write in the Rules that it is ok to hit someone as soon as he try to sit down and when he get some HP back as long as you dont kill him more then once every 20 min. Just be a pain in the ass and hit people at there bindpoint but dont kill them just hit them low on hp and never give them a chance to get any mana soo they can defend them self just be a rude ashole since that is ok. he was runintg around me all the time and looked at me soo he know that I was sitting there and trying to med up and then loog out since I clearly told him that 10+ times too
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