Project 1999 <> Rallos Zek

[haynar]

If p1999 does put up a pvp server, it will not be because you wanted it. You want it so bad, put it up yourself. There are a ton of headaches that come with a pvp server.

And don't spam up the board here about it. You can bug me about it over there, but I will just ignore you. You are not helping your cause by posting about it here. Quite the opposite in fact.

Haynar

[Sakrateri]

You obviously don't know anything about PvP on EqEmu.

LoL, you obviously do not know what your talking about then do you, I not only know about it but I have two PvP servers going and three PVEs running. It is whiners like you that only certain people are invited to play them though. Oh and 1 server running that uses the client from 1999 and im not talking project here.

[HurtinuDaily]

It is really too bad that a small portion of the PVP player base has ruined it for everyone else. It is bad enough that they made VTZ unbearable to play... but now people are afraid to even touch a pvp server due to the rep these select few have given the pvp community.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by HurtinuDaily

It is really too bad that a small portion of the PVP player base has ruined it for everyone else. It is bad enough that they made VTZ unbearable to play... but now people are afraid to even touch a pvp server due to the rep these select few have given the pvp community.

You can blame the community, but i think the staff is ultimately the ones to blame for how bad vz/tz turned out. They were the ones not listening to the single few who were trying to save the server and ultimately wiped it over and over again for various reasons.

I'm still a firm believer that vz/tz died with the wipe that occurred at the end of 2009.

If Rogean takes on this project to make a PVP server (I really hope he does) i expect him to wipe both the staff & database clean. I don't think anyone want to play under the same staff that ultimately showed that they cannot make the right decisions when needed to once more.

I think a pvp server would do really great in the right environment. First of all you need that slow P99 style exp to prevent people from cheating. How does slow exp prevent anyone from cheating? Well it's simple. People who cheat takes risks doing so, they know this. If they get caught, they usually just roll up another character on another account since it only takes them a week or two to get max level. With a huge exp time sink cheaters will give up quickly if you have proper logging & active GM's.

With the cheaters out of the picture and a solid GM crew that rules with justice and iron fist + p99 grind exp, i think you'll filter out the bad seeds very quickly and end up with a pvp community that enjoys the pvp aspect of the game but still can be mature about it.

[revloc02c]

I am not a PvPer so I am just wondering if someone is kind enough to provide some brief answers:

Originally Posted by HurtinuDaily

It is really too bad that a small portion of the PVP player base has ruined it for everyone else. It is bad enough that they made VTZ unbearable to play... but now people are afraid to even touch a pvp server due to the rep these select few have given the pvp community.

What did they do?

Originally Posted by haynar

There are a ton of headaches that come with a pvp server.

And beyond some bad members of the community, what are some of the other headaches?



I am just curious about how some in the PvP community got such a bad rap. Thanks in advance if you take the time to answer.

[Smedy]

I think i can partially answer this.

PVP players are naturally very competitive and will go very far to win, this means breaking some / all of the rules.

Attempting to police a PVP server takes it toll on the staff as you will have to listen to many different stories but you can't be sure of which are true etc, ultimately this leads to burned out staff.

What happened on VZ/TZ wasn't really anything of a surprise, the server was wiped 4+ times and eventually casual players left and the only ones still playing were the real hardcore ones.

I don't think it's necessary to fear the pvp community, we ain't that bad. Just rule with the Iron fist and make sure you're not corrupt (cause that shit will come out eventually and when it does there's a shitstorm).

I think a big mistake was made on vz/tz part where they kept everything very secretive, not letting the community know who had done what, who was banned, why they were banned etc. I think if they were more open to let us know what was going on a lot of people would have stayed. Many left cause they though things were corrupt behind the scenes and no one could really prove them wrong, rumors spread fast and can have a huge impact if no one stops them.