Draclian Signus - Page 3

Jarin · #31 04-03-2004, 06:45 AM

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Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.

Let me pick apart this.

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Wiz: We're just that good.

Now, how does that rhyme with...

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I'm not saying our content will definately be better than yours, but that's just my opinion. I think it would be equally good in terms of quality, maybe not quantity, but they differ from yours in such a way that they cannot be compared until they are fully implemented. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

So basically, you are saying after all, that are you best. Righto.

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I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post.

This is a pathetic cop-out. That's like saying I can write racial slurs all over the board if I want, because you don't have to read it. If you stick your ass out in the wind, except to get frostbite.

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And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you?

Not really. That'd not be up to me, because it doesn't include me, whereas, "I have a better connection than everyone" does. But what you did was state a blatant lie, or alternatively a belief. Not an opinion. Opinions are backed up by facts. Tell me what kind of a connection I have. Or GW has. Or RA. Or you a GM too server. Can't? Thought so. So you have no clue on which connection is the best. I'm not gonna tolerate bullshit because you believe freedom of speech applies to private message boards.

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You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.

This is the greatest line of them all. First you (as per usual, completely ignorantly) fit me into a certain fold, so that it applies to who you would WANT to argue against. The only thing I've said along, Jarin-buddy, and I'll take it reeeeaaal nice and slow for you, here.

You want to make a boast in public that you're best?

P R O V E I T

It's not just "your opinion". It's not just "don't like it, don't read it". If I go to a public basketball court and tell every guy there, "I own your ass at basketball", do you really expect them to not either:

A) Roll their eyes and laugh at me.

OR

B) Challenge me to put my money where my mouth is.

And that's what I'm doing, Jarin-buddy. I don't care a whit if your server has a better connection or is more stable than WR. I don't care a whit if you, or mr nerf-not-beastlords likes DC more than WR. What I do care about is lying and spreading misinformation about hard facts.

I must say, that is well put. *claps*
But first things first. We have had zero bad comments about our server other than 'it sucks because they banned me'. Now take a good long look at your comments. See what I mean? And I talk a lot of shit, as you can see. I do that in real life too, so it's just something you'll either have to get used to or ignore. I don't plan to continue this stupid argument anymore, so get over it. Whether we have more content or not, our little bit is obviously better in public opinion.

Wiz · #32 04-03-2004, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jarin

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Originally Posted by Wiz

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Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.

Let me pick apart this.

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Wiz: We're just that good.

Now, how does that rhyme with...

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I'm not saying our content will definately be better than yours, but that's just my opinion. I think it would be equally good in terms of quality, maybe not quantity, but they differ from yours in such a way that they cannot be compared until they are fully implemented. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

So basically, you are saying after all, that are you best. Righto.

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I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post.

This is a pathetic cop-out. That's like saying I can write racial slurs all over the board if I want, because you don't have to read it. If you stick your ass out in the wind, except to get frostbite.

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And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you?

Not really. That'd not be up to me, because it doesn't include me, whereas, "I have a better connection than everyone" does. But what you did was state a blatant lie, or alternatively a belief. Not an opinion. Opinions are backed up by facts. Tell me what kind of a connection I have. Or GW has. Or RA. Or you a GM too server. Can't? Thought so. So you have no clue on which connection is the best. I'm not gonna tolerate bullshit because you believe freedom of speech applies to private message boards.

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You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.

This is the greatest line of them all. First you (as per usual, completely ignorantly) fit me into a certain fold, so that it applies to who you would WANT to argue against. The only thing I've said along, Jarin-buddy, and I'll take it reeeeaaal nice and slow for you, here.

You want to make a boast in public that you're best?

P R O V E I T

It's not just "your opinion". It's not just "don't like it, don't read it". If I go to a public basketball court and tell every guy there, "I own your ass at basketball", do you really expect them to not either:

A) Roll their eyes and laugh at me.

OR

B) Challenge me to put my money where my mouth is.

And that's what I'm doing, Jarin-buddy. I don't care a whit if your server has a better connection or is more stable than WR. I don't care a whit if you, or mr nerf-not-beastlords likes DC more than WR. What I do care about is lying and spreading misinformation about hard facts.

I must say, that is well put. *claps*
But first things first. We have had zero bad comments about our server other than 'it sucks because they banned me'. Now take a good long look at your comments. See what I mean? And I talk a lot of shit, as you can see. I do that in real life too, so it's just something you'll either have to get used to or ignore. I don't plan to continue this stupid argument anymore, so get over it. Whether we have more content or not, our little bit is obviously better in public opinion.

Okay.

-Comments about Winter's Roar-

Positive:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar (Couple negative on there as well, but a whole ton of positive)
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...ers+roar+rocks (Questionable if this is positive or not, but AFAIK, the guy still plays)
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar

Plus a bundle of old threads that were deleted due to age. Review comes to mind, where we got a 9/10. Not to mention literally hundreds of mails, PMs and posts on WR forums. But if we're just dealing with EQemu here.

Negative:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...t=winters+roar (Not exactly serious criticism, here)

If you see the 1017 ones as negative, you're just silly, since that's because we're still running 5.3 (we do not upgrade until dev releases are stable).

If I missed any threads of either, feel free to enlighten me. Now on to Draclian Signus.

Positive:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...n+signus+rocks (Also includes negative comments)

Negative:
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...raclian+signus (Dubious wheter it's really negative versus DC, mostly an attack on you)
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...raclian+signus (Also includes positive comments)

I excluded the latest threads in which we've been arguing for obvious reasons, as I'm sure you can recall all positive and negative comments against either server there.

So uh. What were you saying again?

khuong · #33 04-03-2004, 07:07 AM

flame flame flame +voice wiz wra!

Jarin · #34 04-03-2004, 07:07 AM

Public posts are shit to me. I got flooded with feedback e-mails each day, until we went down. Not counting the fact that you've been up for a year or so and we've been up for a month and a half, you've had more time to collect your comments. If I really thought you were worth my time, I'd paste several of our e-mails we've received here. But I just don't think I can waste that much energy on such a pathetic argument.

Wiz · #35 04-03-2004, 07:10 AM

No, Jarin, changing your argument doesn't work.

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But first things first. We have had zero bad comments about our server other than 'it sucks because they banned me'.

Obvious lie. You said nothing about private/public comments here. There were other comments than the stupid GM who got banned. Like the guy who didn't recommend this server on the positive thread I posted. Hell, I'll quote it for you.

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I do not recomend this server. It is not a well thought out server, in several areas. Let alone the players are VERY touchy about any suggestions to the server.

I simply asked if there were going to be better starter packs for newbs(you start BUTT naked) and i was attacked. I asked why jump me for a suggestion/question and i was told by the server op to shut up or im booted.

If you want a server to be good, dont turn into a nazi when someone says something other that complete worship of your server. And please dont get an ego because 20 people play your server.

If you want a wasteland of a server when GW opens, keep the above attitude. If you want to grow, listen to your players and dont force people to play MORE than live EQ. Lots of us have played EQ since day one and come here looking for something new. Not more level grinds on a server that trys to be 100% live EQ.

Ill probly get flamed for some reason, oh well, thats my opinion.

DC->NegativeComments++?

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Now take a good long look at your comments.

You asked me to, and I did. Now you say public comments doesn't matter, and because I've been around longer, I've had more time to collect positive comments. Shouldn't that be true for negative as well, Jarin-buddy? Or are you just trying to save your ass after your bullshit was met with facts?

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If I really thought you were worth my time, I'd paste several of our e-mails we've received here. But I just don't think I can waste that much energy on such a pathetic argument.

Forgot about this jewel. "You're not worth my time" is the classic argument of the egocentrical newbie. It provides no need to prove your worth, it proves no need to back up your outrageous claims. Sorry, Jarin. It's been tried by a hundred people like you before. And guess what? It didn't work for them either. Now, if this is a pathetic argument, why didn't you leave it already? That's right. Because that's just another attempt at a cheap cop-out, by attempting to shift zero-value onto a argument you are losing, effectively cutting your loss to zero as well.

EDIT: One final note. Note what I said, that there were more praise threads, but database got purged. If choose not to believe me, that's your call.

Jezebell · #36 04-03-2004, 07:20 AM

Wiz = 1, Jarin = 0

Jarin · #37 04-03-2004, 07:20 AM

Ok, seriously, I'm done arguing. I'd just like to forget this whole thing, but with so many protagonists it's a bit hard to. I realize I've made some mistakes, and I've done apologized for them. I may not have much public proof to back up my claims, but that still doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People think everything is about proof. Nobody can take their word for what it is, they have to have physical back up. Almost like money, if you will. People don't care about using paper money, but the U.S. says they have the gold to back it up. It's locked in Ft. Knox, and have we ever seen it? No. So how are you supposed to know it really exists? You don't. People take their word for it. Now if you wouldn't mind locking this topic, that would be great.

Wiz · #38 04-03-2004, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jarin

Ok, seriously, I'm done arguing. I'd just like to forget this whole thing, but with so many protagonists it's a bit hard to. I realize I've made some mistakes, and I've done apologized for them. I may not have much public proof to back up my claims, but that still doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People think everything is about proof. Nobody can take their word for what it is, they have to have physical back up. Almost like money, if you will. People don't care about using paper money, but the U.S. says they have the gold to back it up. It's locked in Ft. Knox, and have we ever seen it? No. So how are you supposed to know it really exists? You don't. People take their word for it. Now if you wouldn't mind locking this topic, that would be great.

I give your attempt to shift the focus away from your lies an F. For effort.

No, sir, I'm not going to take your basketball skills being better than mine at face-level without playing you a match, or at least seeing the shirt you used to go to practice in. I'm not a gullible moron, and I don't stand idly by while people proclaim themselves bigger, badder and better than me, unless they are. Because I'm not perfect. Nor is WR. There is someone smarter than me. There is someone more creative than me. There is a better arguer than me. But at least for one of these, I can proclaim, this is not you, Jarin-buddy. (CLUE: It's not the first, nor the second, although from what I can see on your language and argumentative skills, I could assume that you're pretty dumb. But I won't claim that as a fact.)

If you really don't see any difference between your idiotic Fort Knox comparision and claiming that you have the best server -- unbacked -- on a forum for server admins, I recommend you to take a language and/or social interaction class.

Jarin · #39 04-03-2004, 07:29 AM

I'll let you have the last word, then, but I must say that I am sorry for being such a fool, Wiz. I should have thought my claims over and re worded them in such a way that it wasn't offensive. I'm not saying your server is a bad place to play on, and if I did I didn't mean it that way. I understand you did much more hard work than we did, and I congratulate you on that. All I'm saying is we would like to achieve such a status or greater. If I speak in present tense, it is not meant so.

Jezebell · #40 04-03-2004, 07:31 AM

If you would have said that at the beginning you could have avoided this entire debate that spans across multiple threads, hehe

Wiz · #41 04-03-2004, 07:32 AM

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I'll let you have the last word, then, but I must say that I am sorry for being such a fool, Wiz. I should have thought my claims over and re worded them in such a way that it wasn't offensive. I'm not saying your server is a bad place to play on, and if I did I didn't mean it that way. I understand you did much more hard work than we did, and I congratulate you on that. All I'm saying is we would like to achieve such a status or greater. If I speak in present tense, it is not meant so.

Now that's much better. Apology accepted, and argument closed them. I only replied again because you included a crappy excuse in your past apology.

And such a goal is admirable. But you have to learn to check up facts before claiming them, or you're gonna get into more trouble like this.

Jarin · #42 04-03-2004, 07:34 AM

Aye, I can do that. So are we enemies or what? I just don't want to be on everyone's bad side. I know I'm on Image's, but I can't help that.

Wiz · #43 04-03-2004, 07:36 AM

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Aye, I can do that. So are we enemies or what? I just don't want to be on everyone's bad side. I know I'm on Image's, but I can't help that.

To be someone's enemy over a couple arguments on a messageboard is pretty silly.

I never hated you, Jarin, I just thought you were being stupid, and saying stupid things.

Jarin · #44 04-03-2004, 07:38 AM

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Aye, I can do that. So are we enemies or what? I just don't want to be on everyone's bad side. I know I'm on Image's, but I can't help that.

To be someone's enemy over a couple arguments on a messageboard is pretty silly.

I never hated you, Jarin, I just thought you were being stupid, and saying stupid things.

Ok then. Let's just leave it at that.

Aquelin · #45 04-03-2004, 07:45 AM

Owned, overall.